Why Do Christians Need the Bible?

[Joe Blackbird]

Here are my questions for debate:

1-If all of creation testifies to the truth of the Bible, why then, if we throw away the Bible and study only nature, is there nothing in nature that would convert someone to Christianity if they had no prior knowledge of it?

2-Why do Christians even use the Bible if all of creation is a witness to the truth of Christianity?

3-Why even try to proselytize if this truth is self-evident?

4-Why dont Bibles grow on trees, or hatch from eggs? Why, if the God who made all of creation inspired it into existence, does the Bible require human processing to exist at all when God allegedly made everything else himself?

[chachynga]

Instead of pasting scripture, maybe you could answer one of the four original questions for debate in your own words.

I did, if you can not discern the message of the post then the message is not for you.


My Post did apply specifically to the topic, and if you don't like scripture, that's too bad.

So instead of answering in your own words, you cut-and-paste and then insult anyone wanting you to actually answer the question. Interesting, it makes me wonder if you even READ what you pasted, or just have pre-made cut-and-paste txt to take from.

So, you gona answer the question now? Plz? One of them?

Scripture, separates the men from the boys, and the IN from the WITHOUT.

If you are on the IN then you will see.

If you are Without, then you won't.

Many Christians will not see anything.

Some Will see, but it's not THEIR doings.

God must Will It.

Man can take all the scripture and all the dictionary/Lexicons etc... use the tools rightly and still miss the points... it's the Holy Spirit that opens the eyes.

The lines between right and wrong seem hazy to those that merely display bible law, and heed it not.

Men stand in truth, come what may, while criminals both church goers and not - do not like: Thy Kingdome Come, THY WILL be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.

Cry Jesus, with a proper heart and start the walk and perhaps that you too will be in the number that understand scripture too.

Don't bee foolish enough to think I just pull shit out of my asshole. That is unless that is what you do, then feel free to keep coming up with that lame response.

[Lotan]

Don't bee foolish enough to think I just pull xxx out of my asshole.

I must "bee" a huge fool then, because all I can see is that you rely on the True ChristianTM circular argument. Maybe you even believe it yourself. It still adds up to nothing more than unsupported assertion. Big deal.

PS. Watch your language. My kid peeks over my shoulder sometimes.

[Scrotum]

If you are on the IN then you will see.

If you are Without, then you won't.

Oh MY sweet Lord, Do you understand what you just told me? And in public too?

I will make a simile to what you said so oyu understand, ok? What you said, would equal IF i said: I am right, and if you can prove that i am wrong, means you are deacived, and if you cant prove i am wrong, means i am right. Accept what I say, or you are bad....

About like that, Get it? You say YOU ARE RIGHT, and if I dont accept it/see it, I AM WRONG, no proof shown from you, only that You are right, its obvious, and if i dont accept i, i am wrong... Erh. Do you always talk to people like that?

What about when you where in School? The Teacher told you the earth was spherical, and you said, No its not, because i say its not, He showed you it was, and you said "No, you are deceived" (thats about what your saying now)...

Its just so stupid. I aSSUME you where joking man, And im still waiting to hear YOUR opinion without bible quotes. How come intelligent people (such as aheist) have THEIR OWN REASONS AND WORDS to explain their beliefs/lack of beliefs, and general opinions. But THEIST need to quote bible scriptures and use OTHER PEOPLES words.. Odd non?

[Cathar1950]

Scrotum, there are Christians and then there are bible believers.
Bible believers are Christians because the bible tells them so.
As they become indoctrinated after the honeymoon where they become all warm and fuzzy hanging out with other Christians (bible believers) and singing and praising and being welcomed into the fold they then learn bits and pieces until they no longer think or question but respond with more verses. A good Christian (BB) can take any scripture and explain it away. It becomes literal when it suits them allegory when it doesn't as long as they say it is perfect and with out error it isn't because by definition it can't be wrong. Remember for the NT believer or American Christian faith believes with out any evidence or reason (logos). Yet they are constantly claiming all kinds of proof such as vague prophecies interpreted through their traditions of 19th century evangelism. Evolution is wrong, science is wrong, liberals are wrong, most scholars, and history is wrong.
Anything is wrong if it does not set well with their bible beliefs.
What were we talking about?

[Aristarkos]

Cathar1950, I see it the same way. People are, ironically enough, idolizing the Bible. The Bible is not "The Word" (John1).

Back to a main point of the topic:

What religious truth is in the Bible? Does nature testify to that truth?

[indjohn]

Your point about how some "Christians" abuse the Bible is well taken.However, the mishanddling of the Bible by these people does not invalidate the Bible. It simply shows that the ones doing so are foolish.

Scrotum, there are Christians and then there are bible believers.
Bible believers are Christians because the bible tells them so.
As they become indoctrinated after the honeymoon where they become all warm and fuzzy hanging out with other Christians (bible believers) and singing and praising and being welcomed into the fold they then learn bits and pieces until they no longer think or question but respond with more verses. A good Christian (BB) can take any scripture and explain it away. It becomes literal when it suits them allegory when it doesn't as long as they say it is perfect and with out error it isn't because by definition it can't be wrong. Remember for the NT believer or American Christian faith believes with out any evidence or reason (logos). Yet they are constantly claiming all kinds of proof such as vague prophecies interpreted through their traditions of 19th century evangelism. Evolution is wrong, science is wrong, liberals are wrong, most scholars, and history is wrong.
Anything is wrong if it does not set well with their bible beliefs.
What were we talking about?

[wuntext]

Your point about how some "Christians" abuse the Bible is well taken.However, the mishanddling of the Bible by these people does not invalidate the Bible. It simply shows that the ones doing so are foolish.

Isn't this the No True Scotsman fallacy?

[Cathar1950]

Isn't this the No True Scotsman fallacy?

It sure looks like it to me wuntext.
They just were not doing it right?
It sounds like Paul when they started wondering why people were sick and died. What does he tell them?
The didn't eat the bread and drink the wine correctly.
Or Miller in the 19th century(the great disappointment) calculated Jesus return. He messed up so he recalculated and got it wrong again. So what to do? I know they were not keeping the sabbath on the right day.
Of course when is everyone going to keep it right?
I think they got a sure bet now.

[Easyrider]

It sounds like Paul when they started wondering why people were sick and died. What does he tell them?
The didn't eat the bread and drink the wine correctly.

How about they turned the Lord's Supper into the equivalent of a Roman binge?

Or Miller in the 19th century(the great disappointment) calculated Jesus return. He messed up so he recalculated and got it wrong again. So what to do?

What to do? How about reading the Scripture where Jesus taught that no man knows the time of his return, and have the intellectual fortitude to present an argument fairly?

[Cathar1950]

How about they turned the Lord's Supper into the equivalent of a Roman binge?

Do you know that was what they were doing? Maybe they just siped it wrong. I think it had something to do with their attitude and Paul was looking for an reason for believers dieing before the Lord returned. I don't think it says anything about a Roman binge.

What to do? How about reading the Scripture where Jesus taught that no man knows the time of his return, and have the intellectual fortitude to present an argument fairly?

But he does say to look at the signs.
Both Paul and Jesus(at least that is what the NT says) seem to think it was soon. In fact so soon it didn't seem to be a good idea to get married.
What they did was created the Seventh Day Adventist.
Is what you post a poor argument and excuse while you intellectually miss the point?