Hermaphrodites?

[Ooberman]

How do Christians explain Hermaphrodites? In what world would God care about sexuality, then create people with both sex organs?

Isn't naturalism a better answer?

[Wootah]

In a fallen world genetics can fail like everything else.

How should an evolutionist regard hermaphrodite?

If you believe in evolution then can there be a mistake in genetics?

Edit - what is naturalism's better answer?

I'm not sure I saw any answers yet to the above questions.

[connermt]

[Replying to post 10 by Realworldjack]

... it was God who was responsible, for placing the curses upon us.

Agreed. But not many christians seem to accept this

Could you please show me the passage where mankind was cursed?

Have you been supplied enough quotes yet, or do you need more?

[Ooberman]

In a fallen world genetics can fail like everything else.

How should an evolutionist regard hermaphrodite?

If you believe in evolution then can there be a mistake in genetics?

Edit - what is naturalism's better answer?

I'm not sure I saw any answers yet to the above questions.

See any textbook on Evolution, and genetics. There is a huge body of accurate and specificlly defined data that explains intersex, and other variations.

I suppose i am at a loss as to why you might think naturalism cant explain anything in the universe?

[Danmark]

So, what you are saying, is do the DNA test, and if it comes up XY, they are a considered a male, and if it comes up XX, they are considered a female?

You don't like science?

Decide the gender and go that path. Now, in the narrow path laid out by Jesus, that brings the issue to a close. For Christians.

It certainly does not "bring the issue to a close for Christians," only for some Christians. For Christians who are interested in science, reality, and love of their fellow humans, the matter is far from 'closed.' It is only the mind that is closed.

This is just another example of why using the Bible as one's sole guide to morality and science is ludicrous; and for the literalist, it is another way to prove the Bible is not the 'Word of God.'

The Bible: God created them male and female
Reality: People and animals are male, female, and intersex

Intersex, in humans and other animals, is a variation in sex characteristics including chromosomes, gonads, or genitals that do not allow an individual to be distinctly identified as male or female. Such variation may involve genital ambiguity, and combinations of chromosomal genotype and sexual phenotype other than XY-male and XX-female.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

As with so much of the evidence of the real world, when it is examined it proves conclusively that those who want to see things in terms of black and white, with the Bible as their science guide and only standard for morality are simply wrong.

Aside from having an ambiguous-looking external genitalia, true hermaphroditism in humans differs from pseudohermaphroditism in that the person's karyotype has both XX and XY chromosome pairs (47XXY, 46XX/46XY, 46XX/47XXY or 45X/XY mosaic) and having both testicular and ovarian tissue.

99%'s view that facts have to somehow be contorted, distorted, amputated and squeezed to fit into Biblical or religious categories under his own special interpretation is typical of those who place theory ahead of fact.

The passports and identification documents of Australia and some other nationalities have adopted "X" as a valid third category besides "M" (male) and "F" (female), at least since 2003.[9][10] In 2013, Germany became the first European nation to allow babies with characteristics of both sexes to be registered as indeterminate gender on birth certificates.
Research in the late 20th century indicates a growing medical consensus that diverse intersex bodies are normal"if relatively rare"forms of human biology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

According to http://www.isna.org/faq/frequency
One birth in 1666 results in an individual who is neither XX or XY
One in 1000 births is XXY, Klinefelter syndrome

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 23 by Ooberman]

I am not asking what a hermaphrodite is - although I am sure I could benefit from learning more. Which book did you read on this topic that best discusses hermaphrodite?

So you think it valid that from now on Christians can tell you to go read the Bible? Or will you consider answering the questions?

You really should have not posted what you did. It just feels like a dodge. Will you summarize your position or not?

If i presume the naturalist will say - hermaphroditism is natural then may i ask what is unnatural?

[Ooberman]

[Replying to post 23 by Ooberman]

I am not asking what a hermaphrodite is - although I am sure I could benefit from learning more. Which book did you read on this topic that best discusses hermaphrodite?

So you think it valid that from now on Christians can tell you to go read the Bible? Or will you consider answering the questions?

You really should have not posted what you did. It just feels like a dodge. Will you summarize your position or not?

If i presume the naturalist will say - hermaphroditism is natural then may i ask what is unnatural?

Here is the explanation of intersexism:

Aside from having an ambiguous-looking external genitalia, true hermaphroditism in humans differs from pseudohermaphroditism in that the person's karyotype has both XX and XY chromosome pairs (47XXY, 46XX/46XY, 46XX/47XXY or 45X/XY mosaic) and having both testicular and ovarian tissue. One possible pathophysiologic explanation of this rare phenomenon is a parthenogenetic division of a haploid ovum into two haploid ova. Upon fertilization of the two ova by two sperm cells (one carrying an X and the other carrying a Y chromosome), the two fertilized ova are then fused together resulting in a person having dual genitalial, gonadal (ovotestes) and genetic sex.

Another common cause of hermaphroditism is the crossing over of the SRY from the Y chromosome to the X chromosome during meiosis. The SRY is then activated in only certain areas, causing development of testes in some areas by beginning a series of events starting with the upregulation of SOX9, and in other areas not being active (causing the growth of ovarian tissues). Thus, testicular and ovarian tissues will both be present in the same individual.[17]

I dont see sin mentioned as a cause, or because we live in a "fallen world".

Can you find any reference to intersex in your Book?

[bluethread]

[Replying to post 10 by Realworldjack]

... it was God who was responsible, for placing the curses upon us.

Agreed. But not many christians seem to accept this

Could you please show me the passage where mankind was cursed?

Have you been supplied enough quotes yet, or do you need more?

If there are so many it shouldn't take long to establish that mankind was cursed. So, let's start at the beginning. Where does it say Adam was cursed by Adonai?

[Haven]

[Replying to post 23 by Ooberman]

I am not asking what a hermaphrodite is - although I am sure I could benefit from learning more. Which book did you read on this topic that best discusses hermaphrodite?

So you think it valid that from now on Christians can tell you to go read the Bible? Or will you consider answering the questions?

You really should have not posted what you did. It just feels like a dodge. Will you summarize your position or not?

If i presume the naturalist will say - hermaphroditism is natural then may i ask what is unnatural?

Yes, being intersex is natural.

Anything that exists in nature is by definition natural. Being intersex is indisputably biological and therefore natural.

[Ooberman]

[Replying to post 23 by Ooberman]

I am not asking what a hermaphrodite is - although I am sure I could benefit from learning more. Which book did you read on this topic that best discusses hermaphrodite?

So you think it valid that from now on Christians can tell you to go read the Bible? Or will you consider answering the questions?

You really should have not posted what you did. It just feels like a dodge. Will you summarize your position or not?

If i presume the naturalist will say - hermaphroditism is natural then may i ask what is unnatural?

Yes, being intersex is natural.

Anything that exists in nature is by definition natural. Being intersex is indisputably biological and therefore natural.

Yep.

And to copy another posters point:

The Bible: God created them male and female
Reality: People and animals are male, female, and intersex

[connermt]

[Replying to post 10 by Realworldjack]

... it was God who was responsible, for placing the curses upon us.

Agreed. But not many christians seem to accept this

Could you please show me the passage where mankind was cursed?

Have you been supplied enough quotes yet, or do you need more?

If there are so many it shouldn't take long to establish that mankind was cursed. So, let's start at the beginning. Where does it say Adam was cursed by Adonai?

Yes, let's "start at the beginning" where you asked for quotes and they were supplied as requested and yet, here you are, manipulating the original question
HAHA too funny
A poor attempt to avoid the issue. Go figure.