Doing good!

[Gracchus]

If Christianity is true then God is going to accept his favorites into eternal bliss, and the rest are going to be justly condemned to torment. Since God is omniscient and benevolent this must be the best possible state of affairs.

And if suffering is good for the soul, as some Christians maintain, then torturing Christians to death would be morally optimal, and relieving them of their worldly goods would be aiding in their spiritual development.

It would seem obvious then, that killing Christians is the right thing to do.

Are there any Christians who can find fault with this line of reasoning?

[Bede]

Like so many of these types of question it contains loaded language and distorted or false suppositions.

Saying God accepts his favourites makes God sound rather petty. God wants everyone to come into a loving relationship with him. But he gives us free will. If we chose not to come into a loving relationship with him then we will live in eternity without him. That is hell.

Who says suffering is good for the soul?
God never meant us to suffer. It is the consequence of sin so suffering can never be good.

However by voluntary accepting some suffering we can bring good from it. It can lead us closer to Christ, strengthen our characters, give us insights into the suffering of others. But that is very different from saying that torturing someone to death could be beneficial.

[Gracchus]

[Replying to post 2 by Bede]You are ignoring the main question: If killing Christians sends them to Heaven, or, sends them, justly, to Hell, isn't that a good thing?

[Bede]

[Replying to Gracchus]


That question wasn't contained in your OP.

I showed you the fault in your line of reasoning.

End of story.

[Gracchus]

[Replying to Gracchus]


That question wasn't contained in your OP.

It was, but apparently, the first part didn't get cut and pasted from the wood processor. My bad!

I showed you the fault in your line of reasoning.

End of story.

Christians will be fairly judged by an omniscient benevolent god. Whether they end up in heaven or hell, it will be justice.

So, killing Christians is a good thing. Actually, killing anyone would be a good thing. That must be why the Christian god killed the first-born of the Egyptians, all the Moabites, (Except the virgins, of course!), and all the babies, puppies and kittens in Noah's flood.

I don';t see any way around it. Killing people is a good thing.

[Bede]

Christians will be fairly judged by an omniscient benevolent god. Whether they end up in heaven or hell, it will be justice.

Yes

So, killing Christians is a good thing.

How does that follow from the first statement?

Actually, killing anyone would be a good thing. That must be why the Christian god killed the first-born of the Egyptians, all the Moabites, (Except the virgins, of course!), and all the babies, puppies and kittens in Noah's flood.

If you actually want a discussion please leave out the emotive and provocative ( and irrelevant) comments.

[Gracchus]

[Replying to Bede]If they are going to a better place, or, at least, a more suitable place, that must be a good thing.

The emotions evoked are your department. And the purpose of a discussion board, as I understand it, is to provoke discussion.

You just keep dodging the question: Is it a good thing to kill Christians? If not, why not?

[Bede]

[Replying to Bede]If they are going to a better place, or, at least, a more suitable place, that must be a good thing.

By killing a Christian who is destined to hell you deprive him/her of the opportunity to repent. That is not a good thing.

By killing a Christian who is destined to heaven you are depriving them of the opportunity to share the good news of the gospel with others. That is not a good thing.

Killing someone almost always brings sufferening to others in the losss of a mother. father, son, daughter, brother, sister, friend etc. That is not a good thing.

[Replying to Bede]
The emotions evoked are your department.

Arguments based on emotion or made to attempt to provoke an emotive reaction is poor discussion (Argumentum Ad Misericordiam)

[Replying to Bede]

And the purpose of a discussion board, as I understand it, is to provoke discussion.

Then discuss

[Replying to Bede]
You just keep dodging the question: Is it a good thing to kill Christians? If not, why not?

Answered above.

Well, I think that just about wraps it up.[font=Arial][/font]

[Gracchus]

[Replying to Bede]
But an omniscient God would know if the Christian was going to repent or not, and would surely act on that knowledge.
And why would the family suffer if the deceased was going to Heaven? Iit would be cause for rejoicing! And if the deceased was going to hell it would be because the deceased belonged there, and so there would be no cause for mourning. Why would Christians mourn the decisions and judgements of God?
If God is omniscient, benevolent and just, then sending someone to Hell would be a good thing and cutting their life short would keep them from causing suffering to others.
So, killing one who is saved, keeps them from falling into sin, and sends them to Heaven and killing one who is damned, entrusts them to the justice and mercy of a benevolent God and keeps them from doing harm in the real world.

I don't think you have thought this through.

[99percentatheism]

Gracchus

If Christianity is true

IF Christianity is true? You mean because Christianity is true . .

IF Christianity is true then God is going to accept his favorites into eternal bliss, and the rest are going to be justly condemned to torment.

I'm digging your vibe daddy-o.

Since God is omniscient and benevolent this must be the best possible state of affairs.

I like the recognizing of Biblical truth.

And if suffering is good for the soul, as some Christians maintain, then torturing Christians to death would be morally optimal, and relieving them of their worldly goods would be aiding in their spiritual development.

Name their tormentors and persecutors and let's end this thread with even more facts.

It would seem obvious then, that killing Christians is the right thing to do.

What do you mean "would seem obvious?" It's happening right now.

Are there any Christians who can find fault with this line of reasoning?

No not really. This is happening daily around the globe. I (for one Christian) appreciate the real face of the anti Christian segment of society standing up for what they choose to believe in and do. I applaud your stance here in your thread. Not everyone is so forthcoming to their real views about Christians.

This life is only a part of eternity. An eternity that we are all part of. But of course we'll go our separate ways eternally as well.



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