Will gays EVER be accepted by mainstream Christianity?

[KCKID]

The Mainstream Christian Church (i.e. the 'Christian Church' in general) appears to have an unshakable belief that gay people cannot possibly be Christians. Therefore gay people will always be regarded as 'lepers' because the mainstream Church believes that homosexuality is against the will of God and the actual practicing of such is a 'grave sin'. This is in spite of the fact that nowhere in the Bible is homosexuality referred to as a grave sin. This more comes from the minds of people who have received a life time of brainwashing into believing this. Where homosexual activity IS mentioned in scripture it almost always - in fact, PROBABLY always - refers to the practice of idolatry and not as WE today refer to homosexuality. There are those Christians who are so appalled at the notion that gay people might desire to integrate with 'actual Christians' within their Church community that they suggest gays start their own denomination ...minus the 'Christian' prefix, of course, which would be sacrilege. Such folks want nothing to do with homosexual people and their minds appear to be set on this.

Below is a recent item from The Guardian that tells of the plight of gay Christians in Uganda. In our particular neck of the woods (probably the majority of those of us who participate on the forum) gays have no fear of state imposed death or life imprisonment as do those in places such as Uganda. Gays do, however, have a stigma placed on them by most Christians that results in rejection by the mainstream Church and, indeed, by God himself. And, of course, the rejection of God is tantamount to death or, worse still, eternal torment. The latter makes the penalty imposed on gays in Uganda pale by comparison.

Will mainstream Christianity ever be accepting of people whose only 'sin' is that they happen to be gay ...i.e. an involuntary sexual attraction between two people of the same gender? If not, why not? Please, give your HONEST reasons.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/f ... ry-kampala

Sunday is a special day in Uganda, the conservative east African country that is threatening to put gay people behind bars for life. On Sunday you can see families flocking to churches all over the country for prayer, wearing their best clothes.

The sermons are predictable. Church leaders will pray for divine intervention against the corrupt leaders, poverty and the potholed roads, and then finally call doom upon the country's homosexuals who are sinning against the Christian God and ruining African culture.

But not at a tiny church tucked away in one of Kampala's suburbs. Here, gay people meet in devoted challenge to mainstream denominations that have declared them outcasts. With dread-locked hair and in jeans and bathroom slippers, members of this congregation would stand out in the prim and proper evangelical church I sometimes go to. I feel overdressed in my white dress.

"Here we are all about freedom," Pepe Onziema, a gay rights activist tells me. "It is a universal church. We welcome people whether gay or straight."

The gates may be open but the road to the church that calls itself a friendship and reconciliation centre is not paved with sleek cars or thronged with believers. The worshippers trickle in. They take their seats, but not before surveying the crowd furtively, trying to identify everyone. Their life depends on this vigilance.

In Uganda, police raid homes and arrest those they suspect to be gay. Homosexuality is an offence under the penal code. The president, Yoweri Museveni, refuses to pass a bill that seeks to strengthen the punishments for homosexuality to include life imprisonment, but isnt under pressure to do so. Conservative Christian churches, under the auspices of the Uganda Joint Christian Council, refuse to accept homosexuals in spite of more gay-friendly approaches from parent churches abroad. The anti-gay furnace is fanned by American evangelical churches that have made it their mission to free Africa of homosexuality, saying it is alien to African culture.

The gay Ugandan church seeks to spread an alternative gospel of love and acceptance for all. On this particular Sunday, it is the memorial of David Kato, a gay rights activist who was murdered in 2011. So the numbers are bigger than usual. When the church was started by Bishop Christopher Senyonjo (who has since been thrown out of the Anglican Church for ministering to gay people), the gay community in Uganda attended devotedly. But with arrests and growing anti-gay sentiments, threats to their lives and arrests, fewer and fewer people come to the church.

"Our numbers have reduced ever since we started in 2008," Denis, the chaplain and a primary school teacher, tells me. "It is worse now that the bill has been passed." If Denis's employees knew of his orientation or his calling, he would certainly lose his job. "This is the only place we can feel at home. Here we can worship God without feeling guilty or fearing persecution."

Joining a gay congregation in Uganda is risky but Onziema says it is necessary in a society that greatly values community. For on Sundays, when many Ugandans spend time with their families, most gay people have nowhere to go. "Coming here lets us know that we are not alone and gives us the strength to continue the struggle," Onziema says.

You can see both hope and fear in the eyes of the congregation as they read Bible verses proclaiming God's protection over them and sing "What a friend we have in Jesus".

Here, there are no thunderous shouts of praise, speaking in tongues or Bible-thumping that is characteristic of the evangelism that is so trendy in the country. In the quiet worship of Uganda's gay community, there is a still hope and the kind of courage you can only muster after you have seen it all and there is nothing left to fear. Sunday is also the day gay people in Uganda cast off their masks to chat about the latest fashion, cars and celebrities.

"You thought we were going to pray that God stops the anti-homosexuality bill," Mugisha, the head of Sexual Minorities Uganda, asks me with laughter and mischief in his voice. "It will not pass. We do not need to pray for that."

Mugisha is for a moment free from his job, his life, fighting for the basic human rights of gay people. "I come here for the community. It is better than staying home alone," he says. As the service ends, members of the congregation are asked to say something in memory of David Kato, whose spirit of resilience they will need as they walk out of the church into their daily routine.

"We know he did not die in vain," Mugisha says. "One day we shall be accepted."

[99percentatheism]

Here is an interesting read for those interested in an interesting read: http://www.aish.com/ci/a/48932517.html

Since "Mainstream Christianity" is dependent on the Torah delivered to Moses . . . this article about a Jewish perspective on homosexuality is interesting to the subject.

The following are excerpts. The whole article here:
http://www.aish.com/ci/a/48932517.html:

Trembling Before G-d

A new film examines the dichotomy of the Orthodox homosexual.

by Am Echad Resources:

Orthodox Jewish homosexuals are the subject of a documentary film that achieved darlinghood at a number of film festivals . . .




What is more, and even more important, is that while the film thoroughly portrays the challenges faced by its subjects, it simply does not allow Judaism to make its case. Several prominent Orthodox rabbis were interviewed at length by DuBowski, but only short excerpts are included in the film.

One of those rabbis, Rabbi Aharon Feldman, currently the dean of Ner Israel Rabbinical College in Baltimore, says that the film fails to convey the deep compassion with which thoughtful Orthodox Jews regard those who are challenged with a homosexual orientation. The film, he asserts, "makes us appear to be narrow and bigoted" when, in fact, "it is compassion, albeit without condoning" that accurately describes Orthodoxy's attitude toward homosexuality.
'Compassion without condoning' describes Orthodoxy's attitude toward homosexuality.

That attitude reflects the fact that no sexual orientation itself is condemned by the Torah. Axiomatic to Jewish law is that only acts and willful attitudes (like nurturing desires that are wrong) can be prohibited, not inherent proclivities. Behavior, though, in every area of human life and endeavor, is carefully delineated by Jewish religious law. That is Judaism. And controlling behavior, even -- no, especially -- when difficult, is precisely what the Torah asks of its adherents.

That picture is both incomplete and distorted. For starters, the film refuses to even allow for the possibility that men and women with homosexual predilections might -- with great effort, to be sure -- achieve successful and happy marriages to members of the opposite sex.

He didn't seem to be interested in meeting any Jews who were in the process of change.

Though he interviewed hundreds of subjects for the project, producer Sandi Simcha DuBowski claims to have been unable to find any such people. Therapist Adam Jessel, though, writing in the Jerusalem Post, says there are many, and recounts how he attended a screening of the film with precisely such a person -- a man, it turned out, who was actually interviewed by DuBowski but whose experience was not included in the film. Jessel also quotes another man who reported that DuBowski, with whom he spoke by phone, "told me he doesn't believe in change. He didn't seem to be interested in meeting any Jews who were in the process of change either."
Such change is more common that most people realize. An organization -- JONAH (Jonahhelpaol.com) -- has been helping Jews, both Orthodox and otherwise, who wish to overcome homosexual orientations, and has met with considerable success. Neither it nor any of its clients are featured or mentioned in "Trembling."
ACTIONS, NOT ORIENTATION
What is more, and even more important, is that while the film thoroughly portrays the challenges faced by its subjects, it simply does not allow Judaism to make its case. Several prominent Orthodox rabbis were interviewed at length by DuBowski, but only short excerpts are included in the film.

One of those rabbis, Rabbi Aharon Feldman, currently the dean of Ner Israel Rabbinical College in Baltimore, says that the film fails to convey the deep compassion with which thoughtful Orthodox Jews regard those who are challenged with a homosexual orientation. The film, he asserts, "makes us appear to be narrow and bigoted" when, in fact, "it is compassion, albeit without condoning" that accurately describes Orthodoxy's attitude toward homosexuality.

That attitude reflects the fact that no sexual orientation itself is condemned by the Torah. Axiomatic to Jewish law is that only acts and willful attitudes (like nurturing desires that are wrong) can be prohibited, not inherent proclivities. Behavior, though, in every area of human life and endeavor, is carefully delineated by Jewish religious law. That is Judaism. And controlling behavior, even -- no, especially -- when difficult, is precisely what the Torah asks of its adherents.

That's not, however, the film's attitude, which is better summed up by one of its subjects, Rabbi Steve Greenberg, billed as "the first openly gay Orthodox rabbi." Addressing the Torah's strong prohibition of male homosexual acts, he suggests to the camera, without elaboration: "There are other ways of reading the Torah." What Rabbi Greenberg apparently believes is that elements of the Jewish religious tradition are negotiable, that the Torah, like a Hollywood script, can be sent back for a rewrite. That approach can be called many things, but "Orthodox" is not among them.

[99percentatheism]

[Replying to post 294 by KCKID]

KCKID
[Replying to post 292 by 99percentatheism]

Well, this is yet another lengthy post of yours, 99percent, that went out of its way to avoid the question asked of you. I'm asking for an exegetical rundown of Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13, an example of which was given by me in post 276. All you offered was the below:

Men having sex with each other as a detestable act?

Detestable to whom? Obviously, there's the 'ewwww' factor for some but, other than that, why would this be seen as detestable in this particular scriptural context? Is the suggestion here that God is thinking, "Ewwww" ...?

Read on.

A Biblical pronouncement. What more needs to be expounded upon?

Why were the men having sex in the first place, 99percent? Answer: the context in which these Leviticus chapters are set out refers to pagan practices involving prostitution in service to Molech and by extension, Ashtoreth, Molech's fertility goddess consort, I Kings 11:5-7 & 33; II Kings 23:10. The context of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 is not homosexuality as we know it today. Homosexuality was not the issue for Moses or for God when Leviticus was written. Instead, the context of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 is the spiritual prostitution that accompanied Molech worship. And it's THIS - practices associated with idolatry - that "God" finds abominable or detestable! There are several, at least several, other texts in scripture where 'idolatry itself' is referred to as 'an abomination'.

You know what, 99percent ...I believe that I'm telling you what you already know. And, rather than continue on as to what my thoughts are about someone who would knowingly use deception as a weapon of condemnation for others ...I'd best leave it at that before I say something that I shouldn't.

There is not one example of "Israel" affirming a same gender sexual act for Israelites. Marriage is only man and woman husband and wife, even where one guy has multi wives. Trying to homosexualize the Old Testament is even more futile than the attempts made by gay activists for the New Testament. All of the demands that gay sex in the Old testament is denounced only in paganism may be even more damning for the gay pride movement. What does a Gay Pirde Parade look like? It most certainly is not a call to holiness and dedication to the God of Abraham. And there is little else that can be connected to Christian marriage in a Pride event.

For those of us who are actually living in the present, i.e. the year 2014, I would suggest that the past (as above) be kept in the past and not be considered as a yardstick for present living.

It (the Leviticus text/s) condemns what we now call gay sex. End of issue.

I'm trusting that, by now, the readers of this thread will have figured out fact from fiction, truth from untruth, all by themselves. You've been given ample opportunity to offer an indepth explanation of the Leviticus texts (an example of which is found in post 276) but you've done everything BUT give an indepth explanation. YOUR 'explanation' is "the text reads as is, end of issue!"

Is that the best you can do ...give your biased opinion and call it "end of issue"? I'm assuming that visitors to this site are reading these posts. Regardless of their particular take on this topic I would assume that they can see, as I can, where someone can't back up what they preach.

You have been asked endlessly to provide pro homosexuality statements from either the Old Testament or the New Testament. You have never provided that because it is an impossible task. End of issue.

I've also answered 'endlessly' that there is no such scripture. I have also just as 'endlessly' said, "So what?"

That said, the immediate issue for me is that, in order to affirm your position that Leviticus is an across the board condemnation of homosexuality, you provide a counter argument for the exegetical example of the Leviticus texts given in post 276. So far you've failed to do this. Therefore, I can only conclude that (a) you're unable to do so, or (b) you're in agreement with the contents of post 276.

As does Paul in his invention of the word he uses for men in bed together: arsenokoitai.

So, Paul (AKA "Jesus' equivalent" by many Christians) invents a word that NO ONE can translate accurately. And so, based on this 'made-up' word, everyone with a same-gender attraction orientation is supposed to alter their genetics and become 'straight'? This is absolute nonsense! Actually, I find it rather embarrassing that otherwise intelligent people can be SO influenced by ancient writings (often misinterpreted at that!) that they would wish to apply such to we of today . . .

* "Arsenokoitai" is made up of two parts: "arsen" means "man"; "koitai" means "beds." The word doesn't appear in other Greek writings except the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Tanakh (the Jewish Bible, aka "Old Testament"). The Hebrew word is likely translated "temple prostitution", specifically males.

Neither does "gay, lesbian, transsexual, bi-sexual," etc., etc., etc.. Those words were invented to convey activity as well as worldview.

Okay.

Anyway, back to 'arsenokoitai'.

Arsenokoitai is definitive and there is nothing the gay pride movement can do to eliminate it from history. No amount of propaganda will erase this reality.

There IS no propaganda involved in debunking your 'arsenokoitai' = 'homosexuality' definition, 99percent! NO ONE knows what it means! NOR does anyone know what it's attempting to convey! It all comes down to guess work and seems to be dependent on what one wishes it to mean and to convey! Those such as yourself who equate this term with 'homosexuality' are desperately grasping at straws! And ...you know it!

" Arsenokoitai: Men in bed together?" In context and in history that word compilation is most certainly definitive of gay sex between men. "Gay sex" as in how we define the sex acts in today's world too. Paul could have just used malakoi or pederasts but he didn't.

I don't care what Paul (AKA known by some as "God") could have used! Paul has no influence in my life whatsoever! He's a character from a book who has for, God only knows, created such division within the Christian Church that it borders on the ridiculous!

End of issue.

Yes, so you said previously. Saying it twice must surely make it so . . .

In other words, males who participated in pagan sex rituals. It wasn't necessarily, if ever, homosexual in nature. Therefore, the word is best translated as "male prostitute", and not homosexual.

Oh KCKID. YOU prove that temple shrine prostitution existed in Israel for thousands of years. Paul would have used that connotation. He didn't. he used a word that he invented to define what we call gay behavior now. No different than the invention of the words inversion or homosexuality. If I tell my wife I was "in bed" or, "went to bed" with the hotty neighbor lady, she would not think I was taking a nap with her.

I can't really add too much more than what I've said previously. Except to say that ...whoever can take two words, i.e. 'man' and 'bed', form some vague concept from such a 'made up' word and condemn every gay person in the world is sort of taking it to the ultimate extreme, don't you think? I personally find it rather embarrassing to be discussing such a stupid subject with another adult.

Although the word in the more recent English Bibles is interpreted as referring to homosexuals, we can be fairly certain that this is not the meaning that Paul wanted to convey. If he had, he would have used the word "paiderasste" or "phonaros", the Greek word for homosexual which is not found in the Bible.

"pais" IS found in the Bible in the Gospel story about the Roman commander and his sick "pais." Paul was living IN a homosexual environment in Rome. He was the Apostle to the Gentiles. It would stand to reason that Paul would have clearly dictated behavior for Christians that desired gay sexual behavior. He didn't. In fact he went out of his way to condemn it.

Again, I don't care!

Until the meaning of "arsenokoitai" becomes absolute (and it's doubtful that it ever will) Christians need to avoid it's usage as a condemnation of homosexuality!

Arsenokoitai is a settled issue for more than enough "scholars" to end the issue.

"Scholars" are not infallible and they have their biases when it comes to decision making. Those opposed to homosexuality (which may have nothing to do with scripture) can and will make a vague word mean whatever they want it to mean. Such appears to be the case in this case.

Secondly, NO WHERE is there even a hint of gay pride being celebrated in The Church anywhere in the entire Bible. The Bogimil heresy is nothing new to The Church. Paul highlighted the inappropriateness of same gender sexual behavior at the beginning of The Church's formation, so we shouldn't be surprised of a history between "LGBT's" and Christians goes back probably since the beginning of time.

Typical homophobic slanted rhetoric and nonsense.

And the question should never be ignored: Why ARE homosexuals and homosexuality so repugnant to so many people . . . and ESPECIALLY Christians, if the act is so benign and so "natural?"

Whatever it is I think we can both agree that it's certainly much more to do with 'cultural conditioning' than anything the Bible may or may not have to say about it. Why are boys who don't fit in with 'the typical boy mold' referred to as 'sissies' by other boys? Such boys are regarded as 'effeminate' and to be referred to as 'girl-like' is offensive to a boy. Furthermore, it's MEANT to be offensive and hurtful by those who are doing the name-calling. Society is made up of all kinds of stupid (and hurtful) people, 99percent, in case you hadn't figured this out already. So, based on this, your question is rather moot. "It's because people are gullible and stupid" is pretty much the answer from me anyway.

* Actually, I never realized HOW stupid, or at least, small-minded, people are until I signed up to Facebook. I'm rather embarrassed to have to admit that social media appears to have brought out the worst in my 'friends', many of whom I don't even know. I never before realized how many of them appear to be, when on Facebook anyway, morons! I really don't need to know that someone's kid has got the hiccups! I find it especially disconcerting when such a piece of #!* receives dozens of 'likes' from equally moronic people!

Facebook and other social media outlets have enabled the banal and the unimaginative and the general 'mundane-ness' surrounding the lives of average people to be shared with the world. But anyway, that's 'people' for you and that's who I was originally referring to. Incidentally, since I didn't really find too much intelligent life on Facebook I canceled my account after only a few weeks.

We have faced the behavior many times within our midst. And until the Lord returns, will continue to endure it. Now, while we need to facilitate a separation between homosexual activism and Christians that will not be bowed by its proponents in a far more sophisticated manner. The movement has had a very great time to evolve into a palatable product sold by very talented pitch-persons. But history, as an immutable teacher, shows us that the struggle goes on and on and on. And it remains to be seen how cunning the advertisements are to enticing a new generation into a lascivious licentiousness that is and always has been ever-present in human history: http://rictornorton.co.uk/homopho4.htm, http://rictornorton.co.uk/homopho5.htm

You really DO seem to enjoy the drama that you've either concocted yourself or taken on board from others, 99percent. I sure wish things were as exciting for me as they are for you where I happen to live.

I'll be back later on in the day to answer your post KCKID.

But what I find most fascinating is that you don't respect my support for your inventing a totally new religion to praise, celebrate and spread homosexuality to your hearts content. You don't seem enamored of Christianity per se, so I don't see why you don't welcome my tolerance of your diversity?

[KCKID]

[Replying to post 299 by 99percentatheism]

I'll be back later on in the day to answer your post KCKID.

But what I find most fascinating is that you don't respect my support for your inventing a totally new religion to praise, celebrate and spread homosexuality to your hearts content.

If it were legal, would you also support a kind of 'leper colony' for gay people? You know, a place of confinement that would keep them away from 'decent' people ... people such as yourself? Is that what you want?

"Christianity" has Jesus Christ as its head. And, whoever chooses to become a Christian - gay or straight or in-between - is doing so for the apparent purpose of accepting the concept of a 'Jesus Christ figure' into their lives. That you have chosen to add more to this concept because 'love your neighbor as yourself' doesn't seem to be enough for you should not become the problem of anyone else.

The Jesus I read about in the scriptures wouldn't have a problem with gay people being included within the 'Christian fold'. Why, then, would you ...?

You don't seem enamored of Christianity per se, so I don't see why you don't welcome my tolerance of your diversity?

I don't think we're referring here to "Christianity" per se. I think this is more like "The Gospel According To 99percentatheism" . . .

[99percentatheism]

KCKID
[Replying to post 299 by 99percentatheism]

I'll be back later on in the day to answer your post KCKID.

But what I find most fascinating is that you don't respect my support for your inventing a totally new religion to praise, celebrate and spread homosexuality to your hearts content.

If it were legal, would you also support a kind of 'leper colony' for gay people? You know, a place of confinement that would keep them away from 'decent' people ... people such as yourself? Is that what you want?

If Leprosy was renamed Joy or Happy, would you want yourself or your children around Joy or Happy then?

"Christianity" has Jesus Christ as its head. And, whoever chooses to become a Christian - gay or straight or in-between - is doing so for the apparent purpose of accepting the concept of a 'Jesus Christ figure' into their lives.

It's a little more than zombie-ism to be a follower of Christ. Have you ever read what Jesus has to say about following Jesus? Encouraging people to sin is not exactly a definitive qualifier of being a Christian. But exposing the wolf in sheep's clothing is certainly a good Christian practice.

That you have chosen to add more to this concept because 'love your neighbor as yourself' doesn't seem to be enough for you should not become the problem of anyone else.

By their fruit you will know them. Promoting LGBT pride is a tad bit different than spreading the Gospel. I'm just thinking out loud here. Take for example "lesbianism," where does that worldview, culture and lifestyle declare the Gospel? I'm just thinking about what Jesus said about baptism. And also one of the Ten Commandments about honoring your mother and your father.

The Jesus I read about in the scriptures wouldn't have a problem with gay people being included within the 'Christian fold'. Why, then, would you ...?

I am the author of the "gay denomination" remember? Now if you have a group of guys (or women) in a Church congregation or in an entire denomination that want to teach children that porn use or redefining virginity to mean whatever an individual wants to do with either, are you going to allow these people prominence, influence and authority? The "anything goes by anything one feels is right" doesn't seem to have a place in the words of Jesus in the Gospels KCKID. There seems to be a difference between "the world" and its ways . . . and what Jesus is preaching. "The world" is certainly the place we see gay pride powered. Unless you think the U.S. and Australian and European court systems are Christian religious institutions. Which I'm betting my house that the majority of people on your side of this argument DO NOT?

You don't seem enamored of Christianity per se, so I don't see why you don't welcome my tolerance of your diversity?

I don't think we're referring here to "Christianity" per se. I think this is more like "The Gospel According To 99percentatheism" . . .

Really?

Jesus didn't literally define and "affirm" that marriage is man and woman/husband and wife? (Divorce literally breaks up the "marriage" of man and woman/husband and wife. More clobber passages to add to the lonnnnnnnnngggg list of them.) Jesus didn't literally denounce those that would encourage children to sin? Q is for "Questioning Youth" in the gay pride letter accumulation campaign. And last time I checked into it, it wasn't for encouraging these youth to NOT engage in homosexuality. No, no, it was all about "affirming it." (If I'm wrong there PLEASE enlighten me. That would be a breath of fresh air for sure.)

So, I'm going to take a wild guess and go with treating your neighbor as yourself and loving God with all of your heart as a pronouncement that does not include excuses for sinning and for trying to demand your neighbor "affirm" your sins . . . and the encouragement of your neighbor going and sinning the way you do.

[99percentatheism]

[Replying to post 297 by KCKID]


I own a Septuagint.

Here is Leviticus 18 in context:

Unlawful Sexual Relations

1And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying,

2Speak to the children of Israel, and thou shalt say to them, I am the Lord your God. 3Ye shall not do according to the devices of Egypt, in which ye dwelt: and according to the devices of the land of Chanaan, into which I bring you, ye shall not do; and ye shall not walk in their ordinances. 4Ye shall observe my judgments, and shall keep my ordinances, and shall walk in them: I am the Lord your God. 5So ye shall keep all my ordinances, and all my judgments, and do them; which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the Lord your God.

6No man shall draw nigh to any of his near kindred to uncover their nakedness; I am the Lord. 7Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, for she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 8Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's wife; it is thy father's nakedness. 9The nakedness of thy sister by thy father or by thy mother, born at home or abroad, their nakedness thou shalt not uncover. 10The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or thy daughter's daughter, their nakedness thou shalt not uncover; because it is thy nakedness. 11Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of the daughter of thy father's wife; she is thy sister by the same father: thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 12Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister, for she is near akin to thy father. 13Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister, for she is near akin to thy mother. 14Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, and thou shalt not go in to his wife; for she is thy relation. 15Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter-in-law, for she is thy son's wife, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 16Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness. 17The nakedness of a woman and her daughter shalt thou not uncover; her son's daughter, and her daughter's daughter, shalt thou not take, to uncover their nakedness, for they are thy kinswomen: it is impiety. 18Thou shalt not take a wife in addition to her sister, as a rival, to uncover her nakedness in opposition to her, while she is yet living.

19And thou shalt not go in to a woman under separation for her uncleanness, to uncover her nakedness. 20And thou shalt not lie with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her. 21And thou shalt not give of thy seed to serve a ruler; and thou shalt not profane my holy name; I am the Lord. 22And thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman, for it is an abomination. 23Neither shalt thou lie with any quadruped for copulation, to be polluted with it: neither shall a woman present herself before any quadruped to have connexion with it; for it is an abomination.

24Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for in all these things the nations are defiled, which I drive out before you, 25and the land is polluted; and I have recompensed their iniquity to them because of it, and the land is aggrieved with them that dwell upon it. 26And ye shall keep all my statutes and all my ordinances, and ye shall do none of these abominations; neither the native, nor the stranger that joins himself with you: 27(for all these abominations the men of the land did who were before you, and the land was defiled,) 28and lest the land be aggrieved with you in your polluting it, as it was aggrieved with the nations before you. 29For whosoever shall do any of these abominations, the souls that do them shall be destroyed from among their people. 30And ye shall keep mine ordinances, that ye may not do any of the abominable practices, which have taken place before your time: and ye shall not be polluted in them; for I am the Lord your God.

- http://biblehub.com/sep/leviticus/18.htm

What about defining things differently "now" than in ancient times?

http://preciousjules1985.wordpress.com/ ... n-denmark/

Laws in both Denmark and Norway are fairly open when it comes to a persons legal right to engage in sexual activity with an animal. The law states that doing so is perfectly legal, so long as the animal involved does not suffer. According to the Danish newspaper 24timer, this interesting gap in the law has led to a flourishing business in which people pay in order to have sex with animals.

On the internet, several Danish animal owners openly advertise their services. The newspaper contacted several such individuals and was told that many of the animals have been engaged in this kind of activity for several years and that the animals crave the sexual stimulation. The newspaper found that the cost charged by the animal owners varied from DKK 500 to 1,000 (USD$85 to $170).

The acts provoke moral disgust. The question is whether immorality should be made illegal.

The FSA group discussing the new animal protection act has been in disagreement about this, Knaevelsrud said.

One of the owners of an animal bordello in Denmark said that many of his clients come from abroad and travel some distance for his services. But the clients tell us that it is much simpler to buy animal sex in Denmark than in their own country, the owner said, explaining that many of his clients come from Norway, Sweden, Holland and Germany.

News Link:-: http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2008/05 ... z20Pm4uPrn

This is happening in our modern word today.

For those of us who are actually living in the present, i.e. the year 2014, I would suggest that the past (as above) be kept in the past and not be considered as a yardstick for present living.

- KCKID post 297

I am making no pronouncement about bestiality other than it is happening in today's world.

[99percentatheism]

[Replying to post 297 by KCKID]

The context of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 is not homosexuality as we know it today. Homosexuality was not the issue for Moses or for God when Leviticus was written. Instead, the context of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 is the spiritual prostitution that accompanied Molech worship. And it's THIS - practices associated with idolatry - that "God" finds abominable or detestable! There are several, at least several, other texts in scripture where 'idolatry itself' is referred to as 'an abomination'.

The "context" of Leviticus 20?

Let's let it represent itself:

Punishments for Disobedience

1And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2Thou shalt also say to the children of Israel, If there shall be any of the children of Israel, or of those who have become proselytes in Israel, who shall give of his seed to Moloch, let him be surely put to death; the nation upon the land shall stone him with stones. 3And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from his people, because he has given of his seed to Moloch, to defile my sanctuary, and profane the name of them that are consecrated to me. 4And if the natives of the land should in anywise overlook that man in giving of his seed to Moloch, so as not to put him to death; 5then will I set my face against that man and his family, and I will destroy him, and all who have been of one mind with him, so that he should go a whoring to the princes, from their people.

6And the soul that shall follow those who have in them divining spirits, or enchanters, so as to go a whoring after them; I will set my face against that soul, and will destroy it from among its people. 7And ye shall be holy, for I the Lord your God am holy. 8And ye shall observe my ordinances, and do them: I am the Lord that sanctifies you.

9Every man who shall speak evil of his father or of his mother, let him die the death; has he spoken evil of his father or his mother? he shall be guilty.

Punishments for Sexual Immorality

10Whatever man shall commit adultery with the wife of a man, or whoever shall commit adultery with the wife of his neighbour, let them die the death, the adulterer and the adulteress.

11And if any one should lie with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's nakedness: let them both die the death, they are guilty.

12And if any one should lie with his daughter-in-law, let them both be put to death; for they have wrought impiety, they are guilty.

13And whoever shall lie with a male as with a woman, they have both wrought abomination; let them die the death, they are guilty.

14Whosoever shall take a woman and her mother, it is iniquity: they shall burn him and them with fire; so there shall not be iniquity among you.

15And whosoever shall lie with a beast, let him die the death; and ye shall kill the beast.

16And whatever woman shall approach any beast, so as to have connexion with it, ye shall kill the woman and the beast: let them die the death, they are guilty.

17Whosoever shall take his sister by his father or by his mother, and shall see her nakedness, and she see his nakedness, it is a reproach: they shall be destroyed before the children of their family; he has uncovered his sister's nakedness, they shall bear their sin.

18And whatever man shall lie with a woman that is set apart for a flux, and shall uncover her nakedness, he has uncovered her fountain, and she has uncovered the flux of her blood: they shall both be destroyed from among their generation.

19And thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister, or of the sister of thy mother; for that man has uncovered the nakedness of one near akin: they shall bear their iniquity.

20Whosoever shall lie with his near kinswoman, has uncovered the nakedness of one near akin to him: they shall die childless. 21Whoever shall take his brother's wife, it is uncleanness; he has uncovered his brother's nakedness; they shall die childless.

Keep All My Decrees

22And keep ye all my ordinances, and my judgments; and ye shall do them, and the land shall not be aggrieved with you, into which I bring you to dwell upon it. 23And walk ye not in the customs of the nations which I drive out from before you; for they have done all these things, and I have abhorred them: 24and I said to you, Ye shall inherit their land, and I will give it to you for a possession, even a land flowing with milk and honey: I am the Lord your God, who have separated you from all people. 25And ye shall make a distinction between the clean and the unclean cattle, and between clean and unclean birds; and ye shall not defile your souls with cattle, or with birds, or with any creeping things of the earth, which I have separated for you by reason of uncleanness. 26And ye shall be holy to me; because I the Lord your God am holy, who separated you from all nations, to be mine.

27And as for a man or woman whosoever of them shall have in them a divining spirit, or be an enchanter, let them both die the death: ye shall stone them with stones, they are guilty.

- http://biblehub.com/sep/leviticus/20.htm

How many things changed in our modern world KCKID?

In context, it sure looks like involvement with Moloch worship is a separate sin classification to the sexual no-no's listed in 10 through 21.

But then again, what does it matter?

For those of us who are actually living in the present, i.e. the year 2014, I would suggest that the past (as above) be kept in the past and not be considered as a yardstick for present living.

- KCKID post 297

[Goat]

[Replying to post 297 by KCKID]


I own a Septuagint.

Here is Leviticus 18 in context:

Unlawful Sexual Relations

1And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying,

2Speak to the children of Israel, and thou shalt say to them, I am the Lord your God. 3Ye shall not do according to the devices of Egypt, in which ye dwelt: and according to the devices of the land of Chanaan, into which I bring you, ye shall not do; and ye shall not walk in their ordinances. 4Ye shall observe my judgments, and shall keep my ordinances, and shall walk in them: I am the Lord your God. 5So ye shall keep all my ordinances, and all my judgments, and do them; which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the Lord your God.

6No man shall draw nigh to any of his near kindred to uncover their nakedness; I am the Lord. 7Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, for she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 8Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's wife; it is thy father's nakedness. 9The nakedness of thy sister by thy father or by thy mother, born at home or abroad, their nakedness thou shalt not uncover. 10The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or thy daughter's daughter, their nakedness thou shalt not uncover; because it is thy nakedness. 11Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of the daughter of thy father's wife; she is thy sister by the same father: thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 12Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister, for she is near akin to thy father. 13Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister, for she is near akin to thy mother. 14Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, and thou shalt not go in to his wife; for she is thy relation. 15Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter-in-law, for she is thy son's wife, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 16Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness. 17The nakedness of a woman and her daughter shalt thou not uncover; her son's daughter, and her daughter's daughter, shalt thou not take, to uncover their nakedness, for they are thy kinswomen: it is impiety. 18Thou shalt not take a wife in addition to her sister, as a rival, to uncover her nakedness in opposition to her, while she is yet living.

19And thou shalt not go in to a woman under separation for her uncleanness, to uncover her nakedness. 20And thou shalt not lie with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her. 21And thou shalt not give of thy seed to serve a ruler; and thou shalt not profane my holy name; I am the Lord. 22And thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman, for it is an abomination. 23Neither shalt thou lie with any quadruped for copulation, to be polluted with it: neither shall a woman present herself before any quadruped to have connexion with it; for it is an abomination.

24Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for in all these things the nations are defiled, which I drive out before you, 25and the land is polluted; and I have recompensed their iniquity to them because of it, and the land is aggrieved with them that dwell upon it. 26And ye shall keep all my statutes and all my ordinances, and ye shall do none of these abominations; neither the native, nor the stranger that joins himself with you: 27(for all these abominations the men of the land did who were before you, and the land was defiled,) 28and lest the land be aggrieved with you in your polluting it, as it was aggrieved with the nations before you. 29For whosoever shall do any of these abominations, the souls that do them shall be destroyed from among their people. 30And ye shall keep mine ordinances, that ye may not do any of the abominable practices, which have taken place before your time: and ye shall not be polluted in them; for I am the Lord your God.

- http://biblehub.com/sep/leviticus/18.htm

What about defining things differently "now" than in ancient times?

http://preciousjules1985.wordpress.com/ ... n-denmark/

Laws in both Denmark and Norway are fairly open when it comes to a persons legal right to engage in sexual activity with an animal. The law states that doing so is perfectly legal, so long as the animal involved does not suffer. According to the Danish newspaper 24timer, this interesting gap in the law has led to a flourishing business in which people pay in order to have sex with animals.

On the internet, several Danish animal owners openly advertise their services. The newspaper contacted several such individuals and was told that many of the animals have been engaged in this kind of activity for several years and that the animals crave the sexual stimulation. The newspaper found that the cost charged by the animal owners varied from DKK 500 to 1,000 (USD$85 to $170).

The acts provoke moral disgust. The question is whether immorality should be made illegal.

The FSA group discussing the new animal protection act has been in disagreement about this, Knaevelsrud said.

One of the owners of an animal bordello in Denmark said that many of his clients come from abroad and travel some distance for his services. But the clients tell us that it is much simpler to buy animal sex in Denmark than in their own country, the owner said, explaining that many of his clients come from Norway, Sweden, Holland and Germany.

News Link:-: http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2008/05 ... z20Pm4uPrn

This is happening in our modern word today.

For those of us who are actually living in the present, i.e. the year 2014, I would suggest that the past (as above) be kept in the past and not be considered as a yardstick for present living.

- KCKID post 297

I am making no pronouncement about bestiality other than it is happening in today's world.

And you are dealing with a lack of understanding here. For example, Leviticus 18 starts off with Ye shall not do according to the devices of Egypt, in which ye dwelt: and according to the devices of the land of Chanaan, into which I bring you, ye shall not do; and ye shall not walk in their ordinances

So, what does 18:22 do with that?? It means that 18:22 is referring to the practice of Temple prostitution with men.

[KCKID]

<sigh> 99percent ...
I don't know why the need to be going around in circles here. The below texts contain the term 'abomination'. As explained further down the page, ALL of these definitions pertain to idolatry and they use the exact same word (towebah) as found in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13. Once again, these texts have nothing to do with homosexuality as we refer to the term today. Furthermore, revealing the true nature of the texts that have too long been aimed at gay people has NOTHING to do with any supposed 'gay support agenda'. These texts simply mean what they mean!

ABOMINATIONS and their association with IDOLATRY

http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/A ... dolatry-Is

Jeremiah 32:32-35
because of all the evil of the sons of Israel and the sons of Judah which they have done to provoke Me to anger--they, their kings, their leaders, their priests, their prophets, the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem. "They have turned their back to Me and not their face; though I taught them, teaching again and again, they would not listen and receive instruction. "But they put their detestable things in the house which is called by My name, to defile it. read more.

Deuteronomy 7:25-26
Verse Concepts
"The graven images of their gods you are to burn with fire; you shall not covet the silver or the gold that is on them, nor take it for yourselves, or you will be snared by it, for it is an abomination to the LORD your God. "You shall not bring an abomination into your house, and like it come under the ban; you shall utterly detest it and you shall utterly abhor it, for it is something banned.

Deuteronomy 12:31
Verse Concepts
"You shall not behave thus toward the LORD your God, for every abominable act which the LORD hates they have done for their gods; for they even burn their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods.

Deuteronomy 18:9-13
Verse Concepts
"When you enter the land which the LORD your God gives you, you shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations. "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. read more.

Deuteronomy 27:15
Verse Concepts
Cursed is the man who makes an idol or a molten image, an abomination to the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and sets it up in secret.' And all the people shall answer and say, Amen.'

Deuteronomy 29:17-18
moreover, you have seen their abominations and their idols of wood, stone, silver, and gold, which they had with them); so that there will not be among you a man or woman, or family or tribe, whose heart turns away today from the LORD our God, to go and serve the gods of those nations; that there will not be among you a root bearing poisonous fruit and wormwood.

Deuteronomy 32:15-16
Verse Concepts
"But Jeshurun grew fat and kicked-- You are grown fat, thick, and sleek-- Then he forsook God who made him, And scorned the Rock of his salvation. "They made Him jealous with strange gods; With abominations they provoked Him to anger.

1 Kings 11:4-8
For when Solomon was old, his wives turned his heart away after other gods; and his heart was not wholly devoted to the LORD his God, as the heart of David his father had been. For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians and after Milcom the detestable idol of the Ammonites. Solomon did what was evil in the sight of the LORD, and did not follow the LORD fully, as David his father had done. read more.

2 Kings 23:13
Verse Concepts
The high places which were before Jerusalem, which were on the right of the mount of destruction which Solomon the king of Israel had built for Ashtoreth the abomination of the Sidonians, and for Chemosh the abomination of Moab, and for Milcom the abomination of the sons of Ammon, the king defiled.

Isaiah 44:19
Verse Concepts
No one recalls, nor is there knowledge or understanding to say, "I have burned half of it in the fire and also have baked bread over its coals. I roast meat and eat it. Then I make the rest of it into an abomination, I fall down before a block of wood!"

Jeremiah 4:1-2
Verse Concepts
"If you will return, O Israel," declares the LORD, "Then you should return to Me. And if you will put away your detested things from My presence, And will not waver, And you will swear, As the LORD lives,' In truth, in justice and in righteousness; Then the nations will bless themselves in Him, And in Him they will glory."

Jeremiah 7:30
Verse Concepts
"For the sons of Judah have done that which is evil in My sight," declares the LORD, "they have set their detestable things in the house which is called by My name, to defile it.

Jeremiah 16:18
Verse Concepts
"I will first doubly repay their iniquity and their sin, because they have polluted My land; they have filled My inheritance with the carcasses of their detestable idols and with their abominations."

Ezekiel 5:9
Verse Concepts
And because of all your abominations, I will do among you what I have not done, and the like of which I will never do again.

Ezekiel 7:20
Verse Concepts
They transformed the beauty of His ornaments into pride, and they made the images of their abominations and their detestable things with it; therefore I will make it an abhorrent thing to them.

Ezekiel 8:5-18
Then He said to me, "Son of man, raise your eyes now toward the north." So I raised my eyes toward the north, and behold, to the north of the altar gate was this idol of jealousy at the entrance. And He said to me, "Son of man, do you see what they are doing, the great abominations which the house of Israel are committing here, so that I would be far from My sanctuary? But yet you will see still greater abominations." Then He brought me to the entrance of the court, and when I looked, behold, a hole in the wall. read more.

Ezekiel 11:17-21
"Therefore say, Thus says the Lord GOD, "I will gather you from the peoples and assemble you out of the countries among which you have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel."' "When they come there, they will remove all its detestable things and all its abominations from it. "And I will give them one heart, and put a new spirit within them. And I will take the heart of stone out of their flesh and give them a heart of flesh, read more.

Ezekiel 20:30
Verse Concepts
"Therefore, say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord GOD, "Will you defile yourselves after the manner of your fathers and play the harlot after their detestable things?

Hosea 9:10
Verse Concepts
I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your forefathers as the earliest fruit on the fig tree in its first season. But they came to Baal-peor and devoted themselves to shame, And they became as detestable as that which they loved.

1 Peter 4:3
Verse Concepts
For the time already past is sufficient for you to have carried out the desire of the Gentiles, having pursued a course of sensuality, lusts, drunkenness, carousing, drinking parties and abominable idolatries.

See more at: http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/A ... LdrLi.dpuf

There are two separate Hebrew words for all of the 'abominations' listed above. And, they are ALL affiliated with 'idolatry'. The two Hebrew words are "towebah" (#8441) and "shiqquwts" (#8251) from Strong's Concordance.

Strong's #8441: towebah (pronounced to-ay-baw') or tonebah {to-ay-baw'}; feminine active participle of 8581; properly, something disgusting (morally), i.e. (as noun) an abhorrence; especially idolatry or (concretely) an idol:-- abominable (custom, thing), abomination.

Strong's #8251: shiqquwts:- detestable thing or idol, abominable thing, abomination, idol, detested thing.

1 Peter 4:3 speaks for itself.

[99percentatheism]

[Replying to post 297 by KCKID]


I own a Septuagint.

Here is Leviticus 18 in context:

Unlawful Sexual Relations

1And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying,

2Speak to the children of Israel, and thou shalt say to them, I am the Lord your God. 3Ye shall not do according to the devices of Egypt, in which ye dwelt: and according to the devices of the land of Chanaan, into which I bring you, ye shall not do; and ye shall not walk in their ordinances. 4Ye shall observe my judgments, and shall keep my ordinances, and shall walk in them: I am the Lord your God. 5So ye shall keep all my ordinances, and all my judgments, and do them; which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the Lord your God.

6No man shall draw nigh to any of his near kindred to uncover their nakedness; I am the Lord. 7Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, for she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 8Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's wife; it is thy father's nakedness. 9The nakedness of thy sister by thy father or by thy mother, born at home or abroad, their nakedness thou shalt not uncover. 10The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or thy daughter's daughter, their nakedness thou shalt not uncover; because it is thy nakedness. 11Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of the daughter of thy father's wife; she is thy sister by the same father: thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 12Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister, for she is near akin to thy father. 13Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister, for she is near akin to thy mother. 14Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, and thou shalt not go in to his wife; for she is thy relation. 15Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter-in-law, for she is thy son's wife, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 16Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness. 17The nakedness of a woman and her daughter shalt thou not uncover; her son's daughter, and her daughter's daughter, shalt thou not take, to uncover their nakedness, for they are thy kinswomen: it is impiety. 18Thou shalt not take a wife in addition to her sister, as a rival, to uncover her nakedness in opposition to her, while she is yet living.

19And thou shalt not go in to a woman under separation for her uncleanness, to uncover her nakedness. 20And thou shalt not lie with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her. 21And thou shalt not give of thy seed to serve a ruler; and thou shalt not profane my holy name; I am the Lord. 22And thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman, for it is an abomination. 23Neither shalt thou lie with any quadruped for copulation, to be polluted with it: neither shall a woman present herself before any quadruped to have connexion with it; for it is an abomination.

24Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for in all these things the nations are defiled, which I drive out before you, 25and the land is polluted; and I have recompensed their iniquity to them because of it, and the land is aggrieved with them that dwell upon it. 26And ye shall keep all my statutes and all my ordinances, and ye shall do none of these abominations; neither the native, nor the stranger that joins himself with you: 27(for all these abominations the men of the land did who were before you, and the land was defiled,) 28and lest the land be aggrieved with you in your polluting it, as it was aggrieved with the nations before you. 29For whosoever shall do any of these abominations, the souls that do them shall be destroyed from among their people. 30And ye shall keep mine ordinances, that ye may not do any of the abominable practices, which have taken place before your time: and ye shall not be polluted in them; for I am the Lord your God.

- http://biblehub.com/sep/leviticus/18.htm

What about defining things differently "now" than in ancient times?

http://preciousjules1985.wordpress.com/ ... n-denmark/

Laws in both Denmark and Norway are fairly open when it comes to a persons legal right to engage in sexual activity with an animal. The law states that doing so is perfectly legal, so long as the animal involved does not suffer. According to the Danish newspaper 24timer, this interesting gap in the law has led to a flourishing business in which people pay in order to have sex with animals.

On the internet, several Danish animal owners openly advertise their services. The newspaper contacted several such individuals and was told that many of the animals have been engaged in this kind of activity for several years and that the animals crave the sexual stimulation. The newspaper found that the cost charged by the animal owners varied from DKK 500 to 1,000 (USD$85 to $170).

The acts provoke moral disgust. The question is whether immorality should be made illegal.

The FSA group discussing the new animal protection act has been in disagreement about this, Knaevelsrud said.

One of the owners of an animal bordello in Denmark said that many of his clients come from abroad and travel some distance for his services. But the clients tell us that it is much simpler to buy animal sex in Denmark than in their own country, the owner said, explaining that many of his clients come from Norway, Sweden, Holland and Germany.

News Link:-: http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2008/05 ... z20Pm4uPrn

This is happening in our modern word today.

For those of us who are actually living in the present, i.e. the year 2014, I would suggest that the past (as above) be kept in the past and not be considered as a yardstick for present living.

- KCKID post 297

I am making no pronouncement about bestiality other than it is happening in today's world.

And you are dealing with a lack of understanding here. For example, Leviticus 18 starts off with Ye shall not do according to the devices of Egypt, in which ye dwelt: and according to the devices of the land of Chanaan, into which I bring you, ye shall not do; and ye shall not walk in their ordinances

So, what does 18:22 do with that?? It means that 18:22 is referring to the practice of Temple prostitution with men.

[Replying to post 297 by KCKID]


I own a Septuagint.

Here is Leviticus 18 in context:

Unlawful Sexual Relations

1And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying,

2Speak to the children of Israel, and thou shalt say to them, I am the Lord your God. 3Ye shall not do according to the devices of Egypt, in which ye dwelt: and according to the devices of the land of Chanaan, into which I bring you, ye shall not do; and ye shall not walk in their ordinances. 4Ye shall observe my judgments, and shall keep my ordinances, and shall walk in them: I am the Lord your God. 5So ye shall keep all my ordinances, and all my judgments, and do them; which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the Lord your God.

6No man shall draw nigh to any of his near kindred to uncover their nakedness; I am the Lord. 7Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, for she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 8Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's wife; it is thy father's nakedness. 9The nakedness of thy sister by thy father or by thy mother, born at home or abroad, their nakedness thou shalt not uncover. 10The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or thy daughter's daughter, their nakedness thou shalt not uncover; because it is thy nakedness. 11Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of the daughter of thy father's wife; she is thy sister by the same father: thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 12Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister, for she is near akin to thy father. 13Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister, for she is near akin to thy mother. 14Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, and thou shalt not go in to his wife; for she is thy relation. 15Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter-in-law, for she is thy son's wife, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 16Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness. 17The nakedness of a woman and her daughter shalt thou not uncover; her son's daughter, and her daughter's daughter, shalt thou not take, to uncover their nakedness, for they are thy kinswomen: it is impiety. 18Thou shalt not take a wife in addition to her sister, as a rival, to uncover her nakedness in opposition to her, while she is yet living.

19And thou shalt not go in to a woman under separation for her uncleanness, to uncover her nakedness. 20And thou shalt not lie with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her. 21And thou shalt not give of thy seed to serve a ruler; and thou shalt not profane my holy name; I am the Lord. 22And thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman, for it is an abomination. 23Neither shalt thou lie with any quadruped for copulation, to be polluted with it: neither shall a woman present herself before any quadruped to have connexion with it; for it is an abomination.

24Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for in all these things the nations are defiled, which I drive out before you, 25and the land is polluted; and I have recompensed their iniquity to them because of it, and the land is aggrieved with them that dwell upon it. 26And ye shall keep all my statutes and all my ordinances, and ye shall do none of these abominations; neither the native, nor the stranger that joins himself with you: 27(for all these abominations the men of the land did who were before you, and the land was defiled,) 28and lest the land be aggrieved with you in your polluting it, as it was aggrieved with the nations before you. 29For whosoever shall do any of these abominations, the souls that do them shall be destroyed from among their people. 30And ye shall keep mine ordinances, that ye may not do any of the abominable practices, which have taken place before your time: and ye shall not be polluted in them; for I am the Lord your God.

- http://biblehub.com/sep/leviticus/18.htm

What about defining things differently "now" than in ancient times?

http://preciousjules1985.wordpress.com/ ... n-denmark/

Laws in both Denmark and Norway are fairly open when it comes to a persons legal right to engage in sexual activity with an animal. The law states that doing so is perfectly legal, so long as the animal involved does not suffer. According to the Danish newspaper 24timer, this interesting gap in the law has led to a flourishing business in which people pay in order to have sex with animals.

On the internet, several Danish animal owners openly advertise their services. The newspaper contacted several such individuals and was told that many of the animals have been engaged in this kind of activity for several years and that the animals crave the sexual stimulation. The newspaper found that the cost charged by the animal owners varied from DKK 500 to 1,000 (USD$85 to $170).

The acts provoke moral disgust. The question is whether immorality should be made illegal.

The FSA group discussing the new animal protection act has been in disagreement about this, Knaevelsrud said.

One of the owners of an animal bordello in Denmark said that many of his clients come from abroad and travel some distance for his services. But the clients tell us that it is much simpler to buy animal sex in Denmark than in their own country, the owner said, explaining that many of his clients come from Norway, Sweden, Holland and Germany.

News Link:-: http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2008/05 ... z20Pm4uPrn

This is happening in our modern word today.

For those of us who are actually living in the present, i.e. the year 2014, I would suggest that the past (as above) be kept in the past and not be considered as a yardstick for present living.

- KCKID post 297

I am making no pronouncement about bestiality other than it is happening in today's world.

And you are dealing with a lack of understanding here. For example, Leviticus 18 starts off with Ye shall not do according to the devices of Egypt, in which ye dwelt: and according to the devices of the land of Chanaan, into which I bring you, ye shall not do; and ye shall not walk in their ordinances

So, what does 18:22 do with that?? It means that 18:22 is referring to the practice of Temple prostitution with men.

Let's take a look at context shall we?

Unlawful Sexual Relations

1And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying,

2Speak to the children of Israel, and thou shalt say to them, I am the Lord your God. 3Ye shall not do according to the devices of Egypt, in which ye dwelt: and according to the devices of the land of Chanaan, into which I bring you, ye shall not do; and ye shall not walk in their ordinances. 4Ye shall observe my judgments, and shall keep my ordinances, and shall walk in them: I am the Lord your God. 5So ye shall keep all my ordinances, and all my judgments, and do them; which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the Lord your God.

Psalm 10_2 KJV:

King James Bible
The wicked in his pride doth persecute the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined.

Other versions:

New International Version
In his arrogance the wicked man hunts down the weak, who are caught in the schemes he devises.

New Living Translation
The wicked arrogantly hunt down the poor. Let them be caught in the evil they plan for others.

English Standard Version
In arrogance the wicked hotly pursue the poor; let them be caught in the schemes that they have devised.

New American Standard Bible
In pride the wicked hotly pursue the afflicted; Let them be caught in the plots which they have devised.

6No man shall draw nigh to any of his near kindred to uncover their nakedness; I am the Lord. 7Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, for she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 8Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's wife; it is thy father's nakedness. 9The nakedness of thy sister by thy father or by thy mother, born at home or abroad, their nakedness thou shalt not uncover. 10The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or thy daughter's daughter, their nakedness thou shalt not uncover; because it is thy nakedness. 11Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of the daughter of thy father's wife; she is thy sister by the same father: thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 12Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister, for she is near akin to thy father. 13Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister, for she is near akin to thy mother. 14Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, and thou shalt not go in to his wife; for she is thy relation. 15Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter-in-law, for she is thy son's wife, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 16Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness. 17The nakedness of a woman and her daughter shalt thou not uncover; her son's daughter, and her daughter's daughter, shalt thou not take, to uncover their nakedness, for they are thy kinswomen: it is impiety. 18Thou shalt not take a wife in addition to her sister, as a rival, to uncover her nakedness in opposition to her, while she is yet living.

19And thou shalt not go in to a woman under separation for her uncleanness, to uncover her nakedness. 20And thou shalt not lie with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her. 21And thou shalt not give of thy seed to serve a ruler; and thou shalt not profane my holy name; I am the Lord. 22And thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman, for it is an abomination. 23Neither shalt thou lie with any quadruped for copulation, to be polluted with it: neither shall a woman present herself before any quadruped to have connexion with it; for it is an abomination.

24Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for in all these things the nations are defiled, which I drive out before you, 25and the land is polluted; and I have recompensed their iniquity to them because of it, and the land is aggrieved with them that dwell upon it. 26And ye shall keep all my statutes and all my ordinances, and ye shall do none of these abominations; neither the native, nor the stranger that joins himself with you: 27(for all these abominations the men of the land did who were before you, and the land was defiled,) 28and lest the land be aggrieved with you in your polluting it, as it was aggrieved with the nations before you. 29For whosoever shall do any of these abominations, the souls that do them shall be destroyed from among their people. 30And ye shall keep mine ordinances, that ye may not do any of the abominable practices, which have taken place before your time: and ye shall not be polluted in them; for I am the Lord your God.

Where is the description that Egypt was into Temple Shrine Prostitution-homosexuality?

Ancient Egyptian sexual practices as reflected in the Bible[edit]
The Bible enumerates homosexuality among one of the forbidden sexual relationships deemed as "the doings of the land of Egypt" (Leviticus 18:3), from which it can be inferred that homosexuality was indeed practiced by some segment of the population of Ancient Egypt.

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual ... ient_Egypt

It's a stretch to demand that any and all proscription of "what we now call homosexuality" in the Bible is exclusively "Temple Shrine Prostitution-homosexuality." It (male gay sex acts) is listed in many forbidden sexual choices and behaviors.

And we have the utter fact that many, many, many other deviant sexuality is proscribed that wouldn't have anything to do with "Temple Shrine Prostitution-homosexuality" in the same contextual place where gay make sexuality is forbidden.

And then you have the consistent position that "marriage" is man and woman/husband and wife throughout the Bible from beginning to end. The gay theological position is one based on reinventing Biblical writ rather than to just deal with the immutability of it in the original historical and theological reality.

But alas:

Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to Gods holy people. For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling"these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

- Jude 1

[Goat]

[Replying to post 297 by KCKID]


I own a Septuagint.

Here is Leviticus 18 in context:

Unlawful Sexual Relations

1And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying,

2Speak to the children of Israel, and thou shalt say to them, I am the Lord your God. 3Ye shall not do according to the devices of Egypt, in which ye dwelt: and according to the devices of the land of Chanaan, into which I bring you, ye shall not do; and ye shall not walk in their ordinances. 4Ye shall observe my judgments, and shall keep my ordinances, and shall walk in them: I am the Lord your God. 5So ye shall keep all my ordinances, and all my judgments, and do them; which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the Lord your God.

6No man shall draw nigh to any of his near kindred to uncover their nakedness; I am the Lord. 7Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, for she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 8Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's wife; it is thy father's nakedness. 9The nakedness of thy sister by thy father or by thy mother, born at home or abroad, their nakedness thou shalt not uncover. 10The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or thy daughter's daughter, their nakedness thou shalt not uncover; because it is thy nakedness. 11Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of the daughter of thy father's wife; she is thy sister by the same father: thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 12Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister, for she is near akin to thy father. 13Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister, for she is near akin to thy mother. 14Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, and thou shalt not go in to his wife; for she is thy relation. 15Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter-in-law, for she is thy son's wife, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 16Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness. 17The nakedness of a woman and her daughter shalt thou not uncover; her son's daughter, and her daughter's daughter, shalt thou not take, to uncover their nakedness, for they are thy kinswomen: it is impiety. 18Thou shalt not take a wife in addition to her sister, as a rival, to uncover her nakedness in opposition to her, while she is yet living.

19And thou shalt not go in to a woman under separation for her uncleanness, to uncover her nakedness. 20And thou shalt not lie with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her. 21And thou shalt not give of thy seed to serve a ruler; and thou shalt not profane my holy name; I am the Lord. 22And thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman, for it is an abomination. 23Neither shalt thou lie with any quadruped for copulation, to be polluted with it: neither shall a woman present herself before any quadruped to have connexion with it; for it is an abomination.

24Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for in all these things the nations are defiled, which I drive out before you, 25and the land is polluted; and I have recompensed their iniquity to them because of it, and the land is aggrieved with them that dwell upon it. 26And ye shall keep all my statutes and all my ordinances, and ye shall do none of these abominations; neither the native, nor the stranger that joins himself with you: 27(for all these abominations the men of the land did who were before you, and the land was defiled,) 28and lest the land be aggrieved with you in your polluting it, as it was aggrieved with the nations before you. 29For whosoever shall do any of these abominations, the souls that do them shall be destroyed from among their people. 30And ye shall keep mine ordinances, that ye may not do any of the abominable practices, which have taken place before your time: and ye shall not be polluted in them; for I am the Lord your God.

- http://biblehub.com/sep/leviticus/18.htm

What about defining things differently "now" than in ancient times?

http://preciousjules1985.wordpress.com/ ... n-denmark/

Laws in both Denmark and Norway are fairly open when it comes to a persons legal right to engage in sexual activity with an animal. The law states that doing so is perfectly legal, so long as the animal involved does not suffer. According to the Danish newspaper 24timer, this interesting gap in the law has led to a flourishing business in which people pay in order to have sex with animals.

On the internet, several Danish animal owners openly advertise their services. The newspaper contacted several such individuals and was told that many of the animals have been engaged in this kind of activity for several years and that the animals crave the sexual stimulation. The newspaper found that the cost charged by the animal owners varied from DKK 500 to 1,000 (USD$85 to $170).

The acts provoke moral disgust. The question is whether immorality should be made illegal.

The FSA group discussing the new animal protection act has been in disagreement about this, Knaevelsrud said.

One of the owners of an animal bordello in Denmark said that many of his clients come from abroad and travel some distance for his services. But the clients tell us that it is much simpler to buy animal sex in Denmark than in their own country, the owner said, explaining that many of his clients come from Norway, Sweden, Holland and Germany.

News Link:-: http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2008/05 ... z20Pm4uPrn

This is happening in our modern word today.

For those of us who are actually living in the present, i.e. the year 2014, I would suggest that the past (as above) be kept in the past and not be considered as a yardstick for present living.

- KCKID post 297

I am making no pronouncement about bestiality other than it is happening in today's world.

And you are dealing with a lack of understanding here. For example, Leviticus 18 starts off with Ye shall not do according to the devices of Egypt, in which ye dwelt: and according to the devices of the land of Chanaan, into which I bring you, ye shall not do; and ye shall not walk in their ordinances

So, what does 18:22 do with that?? It means that 18:22 is referring to the practice of Temple prostitution with men.

[Replying to post 297 by KCKID]


I own a Septuagint.

Here is Leviticus 18 in context:

Unlawful Sexual Relations

1And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying,

2Speak to the children of Israel, and thou shalt say to them, I am the Lord your God. 3Ye shall not do according to the devices of Egypt, in which ye dwelt: and according to the devices of the land of Chanaan, into which I bring you, ye shall not do; and ye shall not walk in their ordinances. 4Ye shall observe my judgments, and shall keep my ordinances, and shall walk in them: I am the Lord your God. 5So ye shall keep all my ordinances, and all my judgments, and do them; which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the Lord your God.

6No man shall draw nigh to any of his near kindred to uncover their nakedness; I am the Lord. 7Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, for she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 8Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's wife; it is thy father's nakedness. 9The nakedness of thy sister by thy father or by thy mother, born at home or abroad, their nakedness thou shalt not uncover. 10The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or thy daughter's daughter, their nakedness thou shalt not uncover; because it is thy nakedness. 11Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of the daughter of thy father's wife; she is thy sister by the same father: thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 12Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister, for she is near akin to thy father. 13Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister, for she is near akin to thy mother. 14Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, and thou shalt not go in to his wife; for she is thy relation. 15Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter-in-law, for she is thy son's wife, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 16Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness. 17The nakedness of a woman and her daughter shalt thou not uncover; her son's daughter, and her daughter's daughter, shalt thou not take, to uncover their nakedness, for they are thy kinswomen: it is impiety. 18Thou shalt not take a wife in addition to her sister, as a rival, to uncover her nakedness in opposition to her, while she is yet living.

19And thou shalt not go in to a woman under separation for her uncleanness, to uncover her nakedness. 20And thou shalt not lie with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her. 21And thou shalt not give of thy seed to serve a ruler; and thou shalt not profane my holy name; I am the Lord. 22And thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman, for it is an abomination. 23Neither shalt thou lie with any quadruped for copulation, to be polluted with it: neither shall a woman present herself before any quadruped to have connexion with it; for it is an abomination.

24Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for in all these things the nations are defiled, which I drive out before you, 25and the land is polluted; and I have recompensed their iniquity to them because of it, and the land is aggrieved with them that dwell upon it. 26And ye shall keep all my statutes and all my ordinances, and ye shall do none of these abominations; neither the native, nor the stranger that joins himself with you: 27(for all these abominations the men of the land did who were before you, and the land was defiled,) 28and lest the land be aggrieved with you in your polluting it, as it was aggrieved with the nations before you. 29For whosoever shall do any of these abominations, the souls that do them shall be destroyed from among their people. 30And ye shall keep mine ordinances, that ye may not do any of the abominable practices, which have taken place before your time: and ye shall not be polluted in them; for I am the Lord your God.

- http://biblehub.com/sep/leviticus/18.htm

What about defining things differently "now" than in ancient times?

http://preciousjules1985.wordpress.com/ ... n-denmark/

Laws in both Denmark and Norway are fairly open when it comes to a persons legal right to engage in sexual activity with an animal. The law states that doing so is perfectly legal, so long as the animal involved does not suffer. According to the Danish newspaper 24timer, this interesting gap in the law has led to a flourishing business in which people pay in order to have sex with animals.

On the internet, several Danish animal owners openly advertise their services. The newspaper contacted several such individuals and was told that many of the animals have been engaged in this kind of activity for several years and that the animals crave the sexual stimulation. The newspaper found that the cost charged by the animal owners varied from DKK 500 to 1,000 (USD$85 to $170).

The acts provoke moral disgust. The question is whether immorality should be made illegal.

The FSA group discussing the new animal protection act has been in disagreement about this, Knaevelsrud said.

One of the owners of an animal bordello in Denmark said that many of his clients come from abroad and travel some distance for his services. But the clients tell us that it is much simpler to buy animal sex in Denmark than in their own country, the owner said, explaining that many of his clients come from Norway, Sweden, Holland and Germany.

News Link:-: http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2008/05 ... z20Pm4uPrn

This is happening in our modern word today.

For those of us who are actually living in the present, i.e. the year 2014, I would suggest that the past (as above) be kept in the past and not be considered as a yardstick for present living.

- KCKID post 297

I am making no pronouncement about bestiality other than it is happening in today's world.

And you are dealing with a lack of understanding here. For example, Leviticus 18 starts off with Ye shall not do according to the devices of Egypt, in which ye dwelt: and according to the devices of the land of Chanaan, into which I bring you, ye shall not do; and ye shall not walk in their ordinances

So, what does 18:22 do with that?? It means that 18:22 is referring to the practice of Temple prostitution with men.

Let's take a look at context shall we?

Unlawful Sexual Relations

1And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying,

2Speak to the children of Israel, and thou shalt say to them, I am the Lord your God. 3Ye shall not do according to the devices of Egypt, in which ye dwelt: and according to the devices of the land of Chanaan, into which I bring you, ye shall not do; and ye shall not walk in their ordinances. 4Ye shall observe my judgments, and shall keep my ordinances, and shall walk in them: I am the Lord your God. 5So ye shall keep all my ordinances, and all my judgments, and do them; which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the Lord your God.

Psalm 10_2 KJV:

King James Bible
The wicked in his pride doth persecute the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined.

Other versions:

New International Version
In his arrogance the wicked man hunts down the weak, who are caught in the schemes he devises.

New Living Translation
The wicked arrogantly hunt down the poor. Let them be caught in the evil they plan for others.

English Standard Version
In arrogance the wicked hotly pursue the poor; let them be caught in the schemes that they have devised.

New American Standard Bible
In pride the wicked hotly pursue the afflicted; Let them be caught in the plots which they have devised.

6No man shall draw nigh to any of his near kindred to uncover their nakedness; I am the Lord. 7Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, for she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 8Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's wife; it is thy father's nakedness. 9The nakedness of thy sister by thy father or by thy mother, born at home or abroad, their nakedness thou shalt not uncover. 10The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or thy daughter's daughter, their nakedness thou shalt not uncover; because it is thy nakedness. 11Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of the daughter of thy father's wife; she is thy sister by the same father: thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 12Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister, for she is near akin to thy father. 13Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister, for she is near akin to thy mother. 14Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, and thou shalt not go in to his wife; for she is thy relation. 15Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter-in-law, for she is thy son's wife, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 16Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness. 17The nakedness of a woman and her daughter shalt thou not uncover; her son's daughter, and her daughter's daughter, shalt thou not take, to uncover their nakedness, for they are thy kinswomen: it is impiety. 18Thou shalt not take a wife in addition to her sister, as a rival, to uncover her nakedness in opposition to her, while she is yet living.

19And thou shalt not go in to a woman under separation for her uncleanness, to uncover her nakedness. 20And thou shalt not lie with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her. 21And thou shalt not give of thy seed to serve a ruler; and thou shalt not profane my holy name; I am the Lord. 22And thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman, for it is an abomination. 23Neither shalt thou lie with any quadruped for copulation, to be polluted with it: neither shall a woman present herself before any quadruped to have connexion with it; for it is an abomination.

24Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for in all these things the nations are defiled, which I drive out before you, 25and the land is polluted; and I have recompensed their iniquity to them because of it, and the land is aggrieved with them that dwell upon it. 26And ye shall keep all my statutes and all my ordinances, and ye shall do none of these abominations; neither the native, nor the stranger that joins himself with you: 27(for all these abominations the men of the land did who were before you, and the land was defiled,) 28and lest the land be aggrieved with you in your polluting it, as it was aggrieved with the nations before you. 29For whosoever shall do any of these abominations, the souls that do them shall be destroyed from among their people. 30And ye shall keep mine ordinances, that ye may not do any of the abominable practices, which have taken place before your time: and ye shall not be polluted in them; for I am the Lord your God.

Where is the description that Egypt was into Temple Shrine Prostitution-homosexuality?

Ancient Egyptian sexual practices as reflected in the Bible[edit]
The Bible enumerates homosexuality among one of the forbidden sexual relationships deemed as "the doings of the land of Egypt" (Leviticus 18:3), from which it can be inferred that homosexuality was indeed practiced by some segment of the population of Ancient Egypt.

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual ... ient_Egypt

It's a stretch to demand that any and all proscription of "what we now call homosexuality" in the Bible is exclusively "Temple Shrine Prostitution-homosexuality." It (male gay sex acts) is listed in many forbidden sexual choices and behaviors.

And we have the utter fact that many, many, many other deviant sexuality is proscribed that wouldn't have anything to do with "Temple Shrine Prostitution-homosexuality" in the same contextual place where gay make sexuality is forbidden.

And then you have the consistent position that "marriage" is man and woman/husband and wife throughout the Bible from beginning to end. The gay theological position is one based on reinventing Biblical writ rather than to just deal with the immutability of it in the original historical and theological reality.

But alas:

Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to Gods holy people. For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling"these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

- Jude 1

How taking a line here, a line there from all over the place 'context'?? no, you provided 'sound bits'. Each one of those statements were taken out of context.

Theology by sound bits is not sound theology.

And, frankly, the sound bits from the New Testament is totally irrelevant to the writer of Leviticus.