Sodom, Greece, Rome and homosexuality.

[AlAyeti]

Does allowing for diversity include parents having no voice in what their children are forced to be taught and have to accept?

Do Christians and the many other cultures and belief systems opposed to homosexuality have the right to have their culture and religious views respected in society when it comes to decent and natural sexual behavior in the education system and in public?

Are homosexuals demanding accesss to children under the label of diversity and anti-hate legislation?

This seems the number one issue between average and normal "family" people and the homosexual agenda.

Can there be laws passed that keeps homosexuality from becoming forced on children and families that oppose it, without the homosexual community and homosexual action organizations crying discrimination?

Is there such a thing anymore as heterosexual rights?

[kiwimac]

Easyrider,

The facts of the matter are that the interpretations that you use are simply YOUR OPINION. Modern scholarship, rooted in the original tongues and based in part on the teachings of the Jews shows clearly that the OT passages refer to Temple / Ritual prostitution and that no-opne is quite sure just WHAT Paul meant.

I suggest further that if celibacy is important to YOU that you live it.

Kiwimac

[kiwimac]

The OT verses quite clearly refer to temple / ritual prostitution. While no-one is entirely sure just what Paul meant.

I am sorry if this distresses you but modern scholarship, rooted in the original tongues and based on information gleaned not only from secular sources but also from the teachings of the Jewish people, makes me quite sure that your interpretation is incorrect.

Furthermore if celibacy is important to you, YOU keep it.

Kiwimac

[Easyrider]

The OT verses quite clearly refer to temple / ritual prostitution.

The prohibitions against homosexuality in Leviticus 18 and 20 appear alongside other sexual sins-adultery and incest, for example-which are forbidden in both Old and New Testaments, completely apart from the Levitical codes. Scriptural references to these sexual practices, both before and after Leviticus, show God's displeasure with them whether or not any ceremony, alleged Temple prostitution (which isnt even mentioned in Leviticus 22) or idolatry is involved. If the practices in Leviticus 18 and 20 are condemned only because of their association with idolatry (or your claim of Temple prostitution) , then it logically follows they would be permissible if they were committed apart from idolatry or Temple prostitution. That would mean incest, adultery, bestiality and child sacrifice (all of which are listed in these chapters) are only condemned when associated with idolatry or Temple prostitution; otherwise, they are allowable. No serious reader of these passages could accept such a premise.

While no-one is entirely sure just what Paul meant.

Au contraire. A great many scholars and others quite clearly understand that Paul is speaking against illicit gay sex in Romans 1:26-27 and other scriptures.

I am sorry if this distresses you but modern scholarship, rooted in the original tongues and based on information gleaned not only from secular sources but also from the teachings of the Jewish people, makes me quite sure that your interpretation is incorrect.

And I, conservative scholarship, and the great majority of mainstream churches are quite sure you're wrong.

Furthermore if celibacy is important to you, YOU keep it.

Caution: Engaging in illicit, unbiblical sexual relationships can result in AIDS, VD, and spiritual apathy and decay.

[melikio]

I'd rather have the Gospel of Christ "forced" (as you claim) on people than a doctrine of pro-gay sex forced on our children in schools; forced on the Boy Scounts of America, and forced on people everywhere as something they should accept in the name of secular "tolerance."

Well, I have seen the former forced upon people (coercion really); and I HAVEN'T seen the latter forced on kids/people.

Some think/believe they have the right and POWER to do what they want to others. It's NOT love, it's NOT from God (as far as many can tell).

Many are justified, like calling a sinner to repentance and taking a stand against carnality.

I don't believe that for a millisecond. I've seen the ATTITUDES of the many cruel "believers", who believe/think they are the BOSS of any and every one. Far too many treat sinners like they HATE them, after seeing it over and over and over... it becomes clear enough over time, that they MUST surely be as hateful as their actions and expressions. Acting as if they are in a vacuum, that no gay people are near or around them. Hatred and love mixed into one giant slurry of guilt and rejection. THen they wonder why people lose it, bail out from the religious hypocrisy and move to where some sanity resides.

What crap in my closet? Get a life and wise up.

Look, if you are human (which you are)... "You've Got Sin!" I can/do give you the benefit of the doubt (not assuming you deliberately sin), but then I also know that you GOTTA' BE MIGHTY RIGHTEOUS, if you are going to tell me what I should be doing period. You don't even know me, yet you presume to tell me what I SHOULD DO.

The difference between your attitude about it and mine (perhaps), is that I'm not going to run around in life, tapping on your or anyone else's freakin' shoulder, every time I encounter you (sinner), and remind you that you need to REPENT, and/or thank God for His grace. THose who know God/Jesus, will turn to Him without me PUSHING them to DRINK.

Here is an example of the attitude that SPEWS from the mouths of many ("Christians") who really do not know how to handle homosexual people or homosexuality in general: ("Here's your message 'fag', 'queer', 'sodomite'... now go get saved.") I've seen "Christians" uisng those words like they are BLESSED to know them. That ISN'T COMPASSION, and it affects everything that "Christians" believe/think they can or will accomplish in THIS reality.

Join in the Army of God and take a stand for his word, rather than your political correctness.

You don't even know me. This is just more of the same, one-size-fits-all-gays/sinners response. I've paid attention to this stuff you are pushing out, and I learned to HATE myself. So, it's very powerful stuff, but it isn't what I see in Jesus Christ.

Otherwise some other mother's son will have to do your duty.

If God is for a given soldier, the work required of them will be accomplished. No one does the "part" or "duty" which God has assigned to me. YOU don't know what God has asked me to do, and you don't even know what I've done to serve Him. Stop assuming to judge me or anyone else; YOU DON'T KNOW. You have your life; set an example with it and be who God has called YOU to be. You aren't put here to RULE the lives of others, whether they be believers or not.

I have a right to vote according to my faith. You have no right to deny that.

Yep. And I never intended to imply that you should not or do not have such a right.

Nonsense. This IS a work of God to take a stand against the forces that try to justify sinfulness. You are not helping God's cause one iota with all this worldliness.

Well, aside from what you do on your knees (pray), your actions can and likely will affect others. You should expect both scrutiny and opposition to the things you might like to impose in this very real world.

"So-called" Christianity? You mean the one that builds schools, hospitals, takes in the homeless, feeds and clothes the poor, and seeks after and promotes God's Word, etc.?

I've never put down the clearly "good" and "right" things many Christians have done in history. (I'm not anti-Christian; though I understand that it's easier for you and others to label me THAT way.)

Still, there are many who HATE homosexuals and try ridiculously to SELL the idea that it's somehow right/justified to ridicule, mistreat, degrade or harrass homosexual people... and have the "Bible" or "Christianity" back them up; it's BS period. (The nice term is "hypocrisy".)

Remember, there are people in this world (some who cal themselve "Christian", who are no more like Jesus than my dog. Some will KILL you, or HURT you when their distorted or fragile worldview is challenged. Simply put, they cannot handle reality, because their "faith" is "weak" or "shallow".

I don't see any Christian bands roaming the streets of America forcing anything. This is just more hysteria.

I didn't claim gays were doing that either. Even so, 1John has related enough links, to illustrate the kinds of attitudes I've been referring to. "Christians" like that aren't necessarily "scarce".

Is gay sex a sin or not? Yes or no?

Your meme is interfering with the point I've been trying to make.

You can call it a "SIN" (all day and all night, 24/7 for as long as we have on earth); but you CANNOT justify the kind of hateful mistreatment and inhospitable behavior which so many "Christians" have handed homosexual people (from kids to adults) for the last 1000 or more years. Even if the God of the Bible calls it an ABOMINATION; I am near certain that the way some who call themselves "Christian" behave concerning them, is WRONG period.

When you see an "Adultery Pride" or "Fornicator's Pride" parade, etc., let us know so we can give them equal access to our views.

Get real; all I have to do is go to work, or better... take a trip with some of my co-workers out of town. Adultery, fornication etc.? One doesn't need a PARADE, to know it's as common as a McDonald's in every town. IF it isn't actual phisical infidelity, then the comments coming from these guys certainly indicate that they are keeping their eyes in the right places (yes, they are very OFTEN PROUD to be both horny and lustful). Gay people aren't always promiscuous or lustful (get a clue).

Christ said for sinners to repent. WHERE'S THEIR REPENTANCE? You don't seem to care if they repent or not.

YOU REPENT. Setting an example, is the absolute BEST you are ever going to do. Hammering gays, because they are gay... is like puncing the ocean with your fists.

WHERE'S THE REPENTANCE?

WHERE'S YOURS??!! Look, no one here can prove that they DO RIGHT by God. In fact, you didn't even have to know I was gay. You see, for me it's not about "pride". I used to just cry and cry, because I couldn't FIX my sexual orientation; a nearly 38 year trek of sorrow and self-hatred. I prayed, I tried engulfing myself in "straight" things and "straight" people; I have never denied God when I wasn't in absolute spiritual distress. THis LIFE and my sexuality, is clearly about more than what I want to do, when I get horny. If I could have found a healthy way to turn the "sexuality" off, I would have.

Have you tried repentance and committing yourself to celibacy?

Have you tried committing yourself to unconditional love of others?

-Mel-

[melikio]

Caution: Engaging in illicit, unbiblical sexual relationships can result in AIDS, VD, and spiritual apathy and decay.

Well, it's likely good that you know this. I can only hope it has done you some good.

Your purpose isn't to scare others into accepting Christ; it is to love them and draw them to Christ. (Is that biblical enough for you?)

-Mel-

[kiwimac]

Caution: Engaging in illicit, unbiblical sexual relationships can result in AIDS, VD, and spiritual apathy and decay.

And, it would seem, that being a fundamentalist christian can result in the death of compassion, the atrophy of a sense of humanity and spiritual pride.

Kiwimac

[Easyrider]

I've seen the ATTITUDES of the cruel "believers", who believe/think they are the BOSS of any and every one. Far too many treat sinners like they HATE them, after seeing it over and over and over... it becomes clear enough over time, that they MUST surely be as hateful as their actions and expressions.

Obviously you don't go to church much. The people I know from church will welcome sinners to church, and welcome a repentant sinner back in a flash, but they won't condone iniquity like you're trying to do.

"You've Got Sin!" I can/do give you the benefit of the doubt (not assuming you deliberately sin), but then I also know that you GOTTA' BE MIGHTY RIGHTEOUS, if you are going to tell me what I should be doing period. You don't even know me, yet you presume to tell me what I SHOULD DO.

You defend your sin, I don't. I confess mine every night. You try to justify yours.

The difference between your attitude about it and mine (perhaps), is that I'm not going to run around in life, tapping on your or anyone else's freakin' shoulder, every time I encounter you (sinner), and remind you that you need to REPENT, and/or thank God for His grace.

Nope.

Here is an example of the attitude that SPEWS from the mouths of many ("Christians") who really do not know how to handle homosexual people or homosexuality in general: ("Here's your message 'fag', 'queer', 'sodomite'...

You're the one who uses those terms in personal attacks, not me. And this is quite typical of your side - to try to defame those who take a stand for the Word of God.

I've paid attention to this stuff you are pushing out, and I learned to HATE myself. So, it's very powerful stuff, but it isn't what I see in Jesus Christ.

Jesus is the same God who gave Moses the Levitical laws against gay sex. Once you know who Jesus is, you will understand him better.

Remember, there are people in this world (some who call themselve "Christian", who are no more like Jesus than my dog. Some will KILL you, or HURT you when their distorted or fragile worldview is challenged. Simply put, they cannot handle reality, because their "faith" is "weak" or "shallow".

And some of them go to pro-gay churches. So what's your point?

Me: Is gay sex a sin or not? Yes or no?

You: You can call it a "SIN" (all day and all night, 24/7 for as long as we have on earth); but you CANNOT justify the kind of hateful mistreatment and inhospitable behavior which so many "Christians" have handed homosexual people (from kids to adults) for the last 1000 or more years. Even if the God of the Bible calls it an ABOMINATION; I am near certain that the way some who call themselves "Christian" behave concerning them, is WRONG period.[/quote]

I don't try to justify hateful behavior. And you didn't answer the question: Is gay sex a sin or not? Yes or no?

Me: Christ said for sinners to repent. WHERE'S THEIR REPENTANCE? You don't seem to care if they repent or not.

You: YOU REPENT.

Typical. Has there EVER BEEN A PRO GAY POSTER WHO HAS EVER REPENTED OR ADMITTED GAY SEX IS A SIN? If so, I have never seen it. No wonder your theology is a farce. There's no call to repentance or holiness. Sounds more like secular humanism to me.

Look, no one here can prove that they DO RIGHT by God. In fact, you didn't even have to know I was gay. You see, for me it's not about "pride". I used to just cry and cry, because I couldn't FIX my sexual orientation; a nearly 38 year trek of sorrow and self-hatred. I prayed, I tried engulfing myself in "straight" things and "straight" people; I have never denied God when I wasn't in absolute spiritual distress. THis LIFE and my sexuality, is clearly about more than what I want to do, when I get horny. If I could have found a healthy way to turn the "sexuality" off, I would have.

Perhaps God wan't you to REPENT, and then he'll help you out. Ever thought of that?

Have you tried committing yourself to unconditional love of others?

I don't claim to have unconditional love, and neither does God (he sends people to hell, doesn't he?). The best I can do most of the time is to try to treat people right and tell them the truth.

[Grumpy]

kiwimac

Some interestingstuff:

What Exactly Is The Sin of Sodom?

How many times have you heard a Christian say, "Homosexuality is wrong because the Bible says so...According to the Bible, Sodom was destroyed for its depravity of engaging in sodomy..."?

Well, next time you hear that, don't be angry at the speaker. Instead, be sympathetic and understanding, because it only proves the speaker hasn't thoroughly studied their own Bible.

After all, anybody can read the instructions for "Assembling A Bicycle." But if you've actually *ridden a bike, and you understand the engineering and physics behind one, you're a lot less likely to finish the assembly with a malfunctioning bike and lots of parts left over.

In similar fashion, many Christians' "reading" leaves them with a malfunctioning understanding of the "Sin of Sodom."

It was not "Homosexuality," but instead "Inhospitality" that was Sodom's Big sin, and the reason God was so angry at Sodom's citizens.

Here's why...

*** The tendency of Christian denominations to focus upon the "homosexual aspect" of the Biblical story of Sodom and the Cities of the Plain is understandable, if not Scripturally sound.

Anti-homosexual interpretations of the Scriptures began cropping up within barely 100 years after the Crucifixion, notably under the teachings of Augustine, Justin Martyr, Crysostom, and others. By the time of the Council of Nicea, which fixed the various Christian writings into what we call "the Canon" -- the official Bible -- some 300 years later, those interpretations had taken firm root.

By then, unfortunately, all the original writers were dead. There was no Paul, or Peter, or Matthew or Mark to say, "Hey, wait a minute, you've gone too far; that's not what we meant you to get from our words..."

Even the more gentle and forgiving Christian leaders -- forgiving in the style of Jesus -- like Pelagius, had been trounced and shoved aside by the adamantly Paulinist adherents of the early Church. (Indeed, more than one Bible scholar has observed that the Council of Nicea marked "the turn of the Church from Christianity to Paulinity.")

Even so, the word "Sodomite" did not exist as we understand it throughout the 4,000 years of pre-Christian history. And the word "homosexual," as you know, did not come into being until the late 1890s-C.E.

Upon what, then, was the "Sin of Sodom = Homosexuality" idea built? Early Christian Apologists, extrapolating from a few unrelated lines from Paul and a single entry from Jude, began erecting a faulty exegetical structure which led to it.

Here's the passage from Jude, the *only one in the entire Bible which might remotely be construed as addressing Sodom and homosexuality:

Jude 1:7-8
"Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities."

Unfortunately for the argument, the Greek word translated here as "fornication" is "porneia" and has a distinctly heterosexual connotation. And the "strange flesh" is a reference to angels, the "sons of God," that WOMEN had sex with [see Genesis 6:1-4] according to Jewish tradition (Jude, of course, was presumably Jewish).

But, there is no mention of homosexuality in the passage.

Against the argument are 20 other Biblical references to Sodom and its various sins before God:
Gen. 13:13 (mentions "sin" but not homosexuality)
Gen. 18:20 ("greivous sin" but not homosexuality)
Gen. 19:13 (no mention of homosexuality)
Deut. 29:17-26 (idolatry, abominations, false gods, no homosex)
Deut. 32:32-38 (idolatry again, no homosex)
Isaiah 1:9-23 (murder, greed, thievery, rebelliousness, no homosex)
Isaiah 3:8-15 (mistreating the poor, no homosex)
Isaiah 13:11-19 (haughtiness, no homosex)
Jer. 23:10-14 (adultery, lieing by priests and prophets; no homosex)
Jer. 49:16-18 (evil, pride, no homosex)
Jer. 50:2-40 (idolatry, pride, no homosex)
Lamen. 4:3-6 (cruelty, failure to care for the young, no homosex)
Ezek. 16:49-50 (idleness, lack of charity, haughtiness, no homosex)
Amos 4:1-11 (oppression, mistreating the needy, no homosex)
Zeph. 2:8-9 (pride, reproaching God, no homosex)
Matt. 10:11-15 (inhospitality, no homosex)
Matt. 11:16-24 (ridiculing Jesus, inhospitality, no homosex)
Mark 6:10-11 (warnings about inhospitality, no homosex)
Luke 10:10-12 (more warnings about inhospitality, nohomosex)
Luke 17:26-29 (warning about complacency, no homosex)
II Peter 2:6 (ungodliness, implied idolatry, no homosex)
Jude 1:7-8 (mentioned previously, no homosex)

Within all these references, many sins are listed -- greed, idolatry, inhospitality, lawlessness, covetousness, incivility, and more -- but homosexuality is not mentioned even *once.

Can we honestly think that all those Biblical writers knew that Sodom's sin was homosexuality, and they just forgot to mention it?

Now, consider this:

The vast majority of the references to Sodom occur in the Old Testament, much closer to the actual date of the city's destruction in history than the writing of Jude. Those references should carry more weight than later references, being nearer to the origin of the story. Yet none of them mention homosexuality as being even *one of Sodom's sins, let alone the "BIG SIN."

Furthermore, the only times Jesus Himself spoke of Sodom's sins -- as recorded separately by Matthew, Mark, Luke and Peter -- he never mentioned homosexuality. So, if Sodom were indeed the glaring example of the "sin of homosexuality" some modern Christians think it to be, Jesus was oddly unaware of it.
Copyright February 10, 2000, by Buzz Kelly.

http://rainbowallianceopenfaith.homestead....odom_BuzzA.html

More later

Grumpy

PS Easyrider, I will stop castigating John when he stops castigating liberals(which I am one), progressives(which I am one), Atheists(which I am one, though a Christian, which he denies),ACLU(of which I am a lifetime member), gays(who are people too!!!), Democrats(I voted for the real war hero, not the man who plays one on TV,"Mission Accomplished", my big ol' butt). John's behavior(as well as your posts) have nothing to do with Jesus's teachings, just your own prejudices and misinterpretation of Biblical verses to excuse those prejudices.

[Easyrider]

kiwimac

Some interestingstuff:

What Exactly Is The Sin of Sodom?

How many times have you heard a Christian say, "Homosexuality is wrong because the Bible says so...According to the Bible, Sodom was destroyed for its depravity of engaging in sodomy..."?

Well, next time you hear that, don't be angry at the speaker. Instead, be sympathetic and understanding, because it only proves the speaker hasn't thoroughly studied their own Bible.

After all, anybody can read the instructions for "Assembling A Bicycle." But if you've actually *ridden a bike, and you understand the engineering and physics behind one, you're a lot less likely to finish the assembly with a malfunctioning bike and lots of parts left over.

In similar fashion, many Christians' "reading" leaves them with a malfunctioning understanding of the "Sin of Sodom."

It was not "Homosexuality," but instead "Inhospitality" that was Sodom's Big sin, and the reason God was so angry at Sodom's citizens.

Traditional Position:

The men of Sodom were attempting homosexual contact with Lot's visitors. Sodom was subsequently destroyed for its great wickedness, homosexuality playing a major role in its destruction.

Pro-Gay Argument #1:

Sodom was destroyed because of the inhospitality of its citizens, not because of homosexuality.

Professor John Boswell, in Christianity, Social Tolerance and Homosexuality (University of Chicago Press 1980), supports this view, basing it on two assumptions: first, that Lot was violating Sodom's custom by entertaining guests without the permission of the city's elders, thus prompting the demand to bring the men out "so we may know them"; second, that the word "to know" did not necessarily have a sexual connotation.

The Hebrew word yada appears 943 times in the Old Testament; it carries a sexual meaning perhaps 10 of those 943 times. The argument, then, is that the men of Sodom had no sexual intentions towards Lot's visitors.

Response:

The argument makes no sense in light of Lot's responses. His first response, "Don't do this wicked thing," could hardly apply to a simple request to "get to know" his guests. His second response is especially telling: he answered their demands by offering his two virgin daughters- another senseless gesture if the men wanted only a social knowledge of his guests. And why, if these men had innocent intentions, was the city destroyed for inhospitality? Whose rudeness was being judged-Lots', or Sodom's citizens?

The theory raises more questions than it answers. While Boswell and Bailey are correct in pointing out the seriousness of inhospitality in Biblical times, inhospitality alone cannot account for the severity of Lot's response to the men, or for the judgment that soon followed.

Pro-Gay Argument #2:

Sodom was destroyed for attempted rape, not homosexuality.

This argument is more common; it is proposed by lesbian author Virginia Mollenkott and others, and is far more plausible than the "inhospitality" theory.

"Violence-forcing sexual activity upon another- is the real point of this story," Mollenkott explains.[76] Accordingly, homosexuality had nothing to do with Sodom's destruction; had the attempted rape been heterosexual in nature, judgment would have fallen just the same. Violence, not homosexuality, was being punished when Sodom fell.

Response:

The argument is partially true; the men of Sodom certainly were proposing rape. But for such an event to include "all the men from every part of the city of Sodom-both young and old," homosexuality must have been commonly practiced. Mollenkott makes a persuasive case for the event being much like a prison rape, or the kind of assaults conquering armies would commit against vanquished enemies, but her argument is weakened by Professor Thomas Schmidt's cited evidence in early literature connecting Sodom with more general homosexual practices:

The second-century BC Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs labels the Sodomites 'sexually promiscuous' (Testimony of Benjamin 9:1) and refers to 'Sodom, which departed from the order of nature' (Testament of Nephtali 3:4). From the same time period, Jubilees specifies that the Sodomites were 'polluting themselves and fornicating in their flesh' (16:5, compare 20:5-6). Both Philo and Josephus plainly name same-sex relations as the characteristic view of Sodom.

Pro-Gay Argument #3:

The real sins of Sodom, according to Ezekiel 16:49, were that it was "arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy." These have nothing to do with homosexuality.

Response:

Again, the argument is partially true. When Sodom was destroyed, homosexuality was only a part-or symptom-of its wickedness. Romans Chapter One gives a similar illustration, describing the generally corrupt condition of humanity, while citing homosexuality as a symptom of that corruption. But Ezekiel also says of the Sodomites: "They were haughty and did detestable things before me" (16:50). The sexual nature of these "detestable" things is suggested in 2 Peter 2:6-7:

If he [God] condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men...

And again in Jude 7:

In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

Dr. Bruce Metzger of Princeton Theological Seminary mentions other references to Sodom's sexual immorality in 3 Maccabees 2:5: "the people of Sodom who acted arrogantly, who were notorious for their vices." And again in Jubilees 16:6: "the uncleanness of the Sodomites."[79]

The pro-gay interpretation of Sodom's destruction has some merit: homosexual rape was attempted, and the Sodomites were certainly guilty of sins other than homosexuality. But in light of the number of men willing to join in the rape, and the many other references, both Biblical and extra-Biblical, to Sodom's sexual sins, it is likely homosexuality was widely practiced among the Sodomites. It is also likely that the sin for which they are named was one of many reasons judgment finally fell on them.

(compliments of "Responding to Pro Gay Theology," by Joe Dallas)

John's behavior(as well as your posts) have nothing to do with Jesus's teachings, just your own prejudices and misinterpretation of Biblical verses to excuse those prejudices.

<flush> See above to see why yours are folly.

[Cathar1950]

"So-called" Christianity? You mean the one that builds schools, hospitals, takes in the homeless, feeds and clothes the poor, and seeks after and promotes God's Word, etc.?

Do you think only Christians do these things? Maybe only Christians that think like you?
It seems you implying that they do these things because they are against homosexuality.
I guess I just dont see your point.

When you see an "Adultery Pride" or "Fornicator's Pride" parade, etc., let us know so we can give them equal access to our views.

It seems you are placing homosexuality in the same category when that is not the claim or the opinion of everyone. But if they want a parade I guess they can. You seem to agree or you have another non-point.

Have you tried repentance and committing yourself to celibacy?

Is this your suggestion to every one that disagrees with you? Have you done this?