Bible Contradictions
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Bible Contradictions
Post #1I used to be a Christian and only recently become an atheist after studying the Bible enough to notice the flaws. I believe the Bible in itself to be contradictory enough to prove itself wrong, and I enjoy discussing it with other people, especially Christians who disagree. I would really like to have a one on one debate with any Christian who thinks that they have a logical answer for the contradictions in the Bible. The one rule I have is that you can't make a claim without evidence, whether from the Bible or any other source. I am interested in logical conversation, and I don't believe that any Christian can refute the contradictions I have found without making up some rationalization that has no evidence or logical base.
Post #221
[Replying to post 218 by micatala]
There is no change in what Luke wrote about Paul in chapters 9 and 22. Both are exactly the same. The only thing lacking is understanding.
Do you remember the light Jesus spoke of? Do you remember where it is written in several places of the Gospels where Jesus said. 'He who has ears to hear let him hear?' Have you ever heard in your school years where a teacher explains something and after the teacher asks a student to explain what was just explained and that student gives a complete different account? Then the teacher asks of the student, 'Did you not hear what i just explained?" Jesus ask this very question of his disciples. Find the answer to all I just stated and you also will understand why there is no contradiction.
There is no change in what Luke wrote about Paul in chapters 9 and 22. Both are exactly the same. The only thing lacking is understanding.
Do you remember the light Jesus spoke of? Do you remember where it is written in several places of the Gospels where Jesus said. 'He who has ears to hear let him hear?' Have you ever heard in your school years where a teacher explains something and after the teacher asks a student to explain what was just explained and that student gives a complete different account? Then the teacher asks of the student, 'Did you not hear what i just explained?" Jesus ask this very question of his disciples. Find the answer to all I just stated and you also will understand why there is no contradiction.
Post #222
Umm...no, there is still a contradiction.jcb wrote: [Replying to post 218 by micatala]
There is no change in what Luke wrote about Paul in chapters 9 and 22. Both are exactly the same. The only thing lacking is understanding.
Do you remember the light Jesus spoke of? Do you remember where it is written in several places of the Gospels where Jesus said. 'He who has ears to hear let him hear?' Have you ever heard in your school years where a teacher explains something and after the teacher asks a student to explain what was just explained and that student gives a complete different account? Then the teacher asks of the student, 'Did you not hear what i just explained?" Jesus ask this very question of his disciples. Find the answer to all I just stated and you also will understand why there is no contradiction.
"And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man."
"And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me. "
So did they hear the voice or did they not. It has nothing to do with undertanding. In oe they hear and in the other they do not. It is the same situation in both verses. The only difference is that in one they hear and don't see. In the other they see and don't hear.
Post #223
[Replying to post 220 by mwtech]
22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
I should have included Acts 9:3 before. Here it also includes the light. In the light is the answer to what appears as contradiction. I all but gave you the answer in this.
Do you remember the light Jesus spoke of? Do you remember where it is written in several places of the Gospels where Jesus said. 'He who has ears to hear let him hear?' Have you ever heard in your school years where a teacher explains something and after the teacher asks a student to explain what was just explained and that student gives a complete different account? Then the teacher asks the student, 'Did you not hear what I just explained?" Jesus ask this very question of his disciples. Find the answer to all I just stated and you also will see why there is no contradiction.
And no, I will not just spit it out.
22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
I should have included Acts 9:3 before. Here it also includes the light. In the light is the answer to what appears as contradiction. I all but gave you the answer in this.
Do you remember the light Jesus spoke of? Do you remember where it is written in several places of the Gospels where Jesus said. 'He who has ears to hear let him hear?' Have you ever heard in your school years where a teacher explains something and after the teacher asks a student to explain what was just explained and that student gives a complete different account? Then the teacher asks the student, 'Did you not hear what I just explained?" Jesus ask this very question of his disciples. Find the answer to all I just stated and you also will see why there is no contradiction.
And no, I will not just spit it out.
Post #224
Fine, be cryptic if you want to, but seeing as I obviously have very different views of the scriptures than you do, it will likely lead to me misinterpreting what you are trying to say.jcb wrote:
I should have included Acts 9:3 before. Here it also includes the light. In the light is the answer to what appears as contradiction. I all but gave you the answer in this.
Do you remember the light Jesus spoke of? Do you remember where it is written in several places of the Gospels where Jesus said. 'He who has ears to hear let him hear?' Have you ever heard in your school years where a teacher explains something and after the teacher asks a student to explain what was just explained and that student gives a complete different account? Then the teacher asks the student, 'Did you not hear what I just explained?" Jesus ask this very question of his disciples. Find the answer to all I just stated and you also will see why there is no contradiction.
And no, I will not just spit it out.
Acts 9:3-7 "3 Now as he went on his way, he approached Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven shone around him. 4 And falling to the ground he heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?� 5 And he said, “Who are you, Lord?� And he said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. 6 But rise and enter the city, and you will be told what you are to do.� 7 The men who were traveling with him stood speechless, hearing the voice but seeing no one."
Acts 22:6-9 "6 And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me.
7 And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
8 And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.
9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me."
I can see how you could say that the red is not contradictory. Maybe they saw a light, but it wasn't a man, so they could see indeed the light, but at the same time see no one. The blue statements are completely in contradiction. They heard the voice vs they heard not the voice. The second is a negation of the first. Ergo, a contradiction.
Post #225
[Replying to post 222 by mwtech]
The Light, The Light, you still haven't seen nor heard the Light.
Even if I just spit it out you still won't accept it.
The Light, The Light, you still haven't seen nor heard the Light.
Even if I just spit it out you still won't accept it.
Post #226
Well try me at least. Why waste both of our time trying to make me guess what you are trying to say?jcb wrote: [Replying to post 222 by mwtech]
The Light, The Light, you still haven't seen nor heard the Light.
Even if I just spit it out you still won't accept it.
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jcb wrote: [Replying to post 222 by mwtech]
The Light, The Light, you still haven't seen nor heard the Light.
Even if I just spit it out you still won't accept it.
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Post #228
[Replying to post 225 by Zzyzx]
Ok. I was just trying to get him to look for the answer himself/herself in hopes of more likely to recognize the answer and accept it. There will be no next time. And thank you for reminding me
Ok. I was just trying to get him to look for the answer himself/herself in hopes of more likely to recognize the answer and accept it. There will be no next time. And thank you for reminding me
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Post #229
[Replying to post 226 by jcb]
Well she not him was trying to get you to further elucidate your point. Speaking in riddles is not really a good way to help people understand you. Just be direct no sense beating around the bush is there?
Well she not him was trying to get you to further elucidate your point. Speaking in riddles is not really a good way to help people understand you. Just be direct no sense beating around the bush is there?
Post #230
[Replying to post 224 by mwtech]
Here it is. When Paul seen the light he heard something that went through his mind. This is why Jesus said, 'it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.' The others hearing a voice in 9:7 shows they also heard what Paul heard before falling to the ground. In 22:9 where is written, 'they heard not the voice of him that spake to me', simply means they did not understand what they heard and were afraid to to accept it.
Without all the verses that support this it is only personal opinion. You can consider it, reject it, or look further into it with the Bible. Your choice. In no way do I want anyone to accept it just because I said it. I like to say what verses to examine then hear what others think. If they recognize the same things I have I still don't tell them true or false. I ask why they came to the conclusion made. The problem is most people, especially Christian, generally don't want to hear it because it disagrees with present beliefs.
This will have to be my last post for today.
Here it is. When Paul seen the light he heard something that went through his mind. This is why Jesus said, 'it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.' The others hearing a voice in 9:7 shows they also heard what Paul heard before falling to the ground. In 22:9 where is written, 'they heard not the voice of him that spake to me', simply means they did not understand what they heard and were afraid to to accept it.
Without all the verses that support this it is only personal opinion. You can consider it, reject it, or look further into it with the Bible. Your choice. In no way do I want anyone to accept it just because I said it. I like to say what verses to examine then hear what others think. If they recognize the same things I have I still don't tell them true or false. I ask why they came to the conclusion made. The problem is most people, especially Christian, generally don't want to hear it because it disagrees with present beliefs.
This will have to be my last post for today.
