Bible Contradictions
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Bible Contradictions
Post #1I used to be a Christian and only recently become an atheist after studying the Bible enough to notice the flaws. I believe the Bible in itself to be contradictory enough to prove itself wrong, and I enjoy discussing it with other people, especially Christians who disagree. I would really like to have a one on one debate with any Christian who thinks that they have a logical answer for the contradictions in the Bible. The one rule I have is that you can't make a claim without evidence, whether from the Bible or any other source. I am interested in logical conversation, and I don't believe that any Christian can refute the contradictions I have found without making up some rationalization that has no evidence or logical base.
Post #261
Danielthedragon-
"how do you resolve -------that his message would not be distorted?"
My observation is that the bible is not penned by God.
Distortions,contradictions , problems ,etc associated with a bible is man's inability to preserve such a text.
Problems such as memory,experience,recorded events accurately,language and misinformation and the list goes on is typical.
If God was to "ensure" his undistorted message then man could not be the penman.
So why did not God pen it himself?You will have to ask him yourself.
However if the biblical characters Adam and Eve were here then you could get the message directly from the horse's mouth as would the rest of the world since they would not under normal conditions have died which would make them superhuman stock.
"how do you resolve -------that his message would not be distorted?"
My observation is that the bible is not penned by God.
Distortions,contradictions , problems ,etc associated with a bible is man's inability to preserve such a text.
Problems such as memory,experience,recorded events accurately,language and misinformation and the list goes on is typical.
If God was to "ensure" his undistorted message then man could not be the penman.
So why did not God pen it himself?You will have to ask him yourself.
However if the biblical characters Adam and Eve were here then you could get the message directly from the horse's mouth as would the rest of the world since they would not under normal conditions have died which would make them superhuman stock.
Post #262
danielthedragon--
Biblically -the reading of the beginning of time on this Earth was not without tribulation of gigantic biblical proportions because there was war in heaven first which migrated here causing all records ,events and documentation to become distorted all because of ,as stated in paper 53 of the Urantia Book that Lucifer became an atheist - who at one point in his life said he did not believe God exists.
Biblically -the reading of the beginning of time on this Earth was not without tribulation of gigantic biblical proportions because there was war in heaven first which migrated here causing all records ,events and documentation to become distorted all because of ,as stated in paper 53 of the Urantia Book that Lucifer became an atheist - who at one point in his life said he did not believe God exists.
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Post #263
[Replying to post 259 by earl]
So the only observable conclusion I can ascertain from your response is that the god you worship is not particularly wise not particularly powerful and has no ability to predict the future.
So now you have a logical contradiction. In fact I would argue that the bible's mere existence negates the existence of the god it describes.
It doesn't need to be. The point is why would an Omniscient Omnipresent Omnipotent god allow his message to be distorted? There is no reason to let this happen if it will increase the odds of people rejecting said gods existence. An all knowing god would not have given the responsibility to fallible man in the first place. Or he would have waited until the internet so that even if the message was given to man it would not be lost or destroyed manipulated or somehow altered in anyway.My observation is that the bible is not penned by God.
So the only observable conclusion I can ascertain from your response is that the god you worship is not particularly wise not particularly powerful and has no ability to predict the future.
So now you have a logical contradiction. In fact I would argue that the bible's mere existence negates the existence of the god it describes.
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Post #264
[Replying to post 260 by earl]
The bible does not support this in any shape form or fashion. Furthermore I don't view the bible as fact much less the Urantia book which originated in Chicago during the 20's.Biblically -the reading of the beginning of time on this Earth was not without tribulation of gigantic biblical proportions because there was war in heaven first which migrated here causing all records ,events and documentation to become distorted all because of ,as stated in paper 53 of the Urantia Book that Lucifer became an atheist - who at one point in his life said he did not believe God exists.
Post #265
[Replying to Wootah]
Sorry for the typo, it's Mark 8:30
Both Matthew and Mark contain contradictions about spreading the word that Jesus is the son of god.
Why?
Sorry for the typo, it's Mark 8:30
Both Matthew and Mark contain contradictions about spreading the word that Jesus is the son of god.
Why?
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Post #266
I'm surprised you quote from The Urantia Book, a work of science fiction. Doesn't the Bible itself contain enough science fiction, without relying on an additional book of science fiction to interpret its characters?
'The Urantia Book has been enjoyed by some as a form of science fiction, historical fiction or fantasy. The Urantia Book is noted for its high level of internal consistency and an advanced writing style. Skeptic Martin Gardner, in a book otherwise highly critical of The Urantia Book, writes that it is "highly imaginative" and that the "cosmology outrivals in fantasy the cosmology of any science-fiction work known to me." Gooch says that for nonbelievers, the book is a mixture of being "fascinating, inspiring, compelling, haunting, entertaining, annoying, incomprehensible, and always wordy."'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Urantia_Book
'The Urantia Book has been enjoyed by some as a form of science fiction, historical fiction or fantasy. The Urantia Book is noted for its high level of internal consistency and an advanced writing style. Skeptic Martin Gardner, in a book otherwise highly critical of The Urantia Book, writes that it is "highly imaginative" and that the "cosmology outrivals in fantasy the cosmology of any science-fiction work known to me." Gooch says that for nonbelievers, the book is a mixture of being "fascinating, inspiring, compelling, haunting, entertaining, annoying, incomprehensible, and always wordy."'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Urantia_Book
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Post #267
There is no end to the contradictions we find in the bible. But I would think that something as critical to the message as "How can I be saved?" would be completely without ambiguity.
Instead, what we get is:
From Acts 13:48, we learn that some gentiles are 'ordained' to be saved, BUT....
Rom 10:13 assures us that "...everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved..", BUT...
Eph 1:4 indicates that only those who were chosen before Time will be saved - BUT...
1John 2:2 gives hope for the whole world, BUT....
2 Thes 2:13 has Paul assure us that some were chosen "in the beginning", BUT...
Acts 16:30 has Jesus promise that if you just believe - don't have to be baptised, doesn't matter what crimes you commit - not only will YOU be saved, but yer whole famn damily as well!!
I'm sorry, but this is what is known among my peers as a clusterfuck. It is too much to ask for this religion to present a cogent exposition of its most fundamental premise?
Instead, what we get is:
From Acts 13:48, we learn that some gentiles are 'ordained' to be saved, BUT....
Rom 10:13 assures us that "...everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved..", BUT...
Eph 1:4 indicates that only those who were chosen before Time will be saved - BUT...
1John 2:2 gives hope for the whole world, BUT....
2 Thes 2:13 has Paul assure us that some were chosen "in the beginning", BUT...
Acts 16:30 has Jesus promise that if you just believe - don't have to be baptised, doesn't matter what crimes you commit - not only will YOU be saved, but yer whole famn damily as well!!
I'm sorry, but this is what is known among my peers as a clusterfuck. It is too much to ask for this religion to present a cogent exposition of its most fundamental premise?
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Post #268
Danielthedragon-
Your post on your observable conclusion is funny.
You speak as if you know how to be all wise,all powerful and predict the future.
And wait for the internet to come? Really? .
You go ahead and tell God that you know how to deliver a message better than he does.
No big deal that the bible don't support the UB neither does the Jew religion support Jesus.
Its funny you don't dare believe something because it appeared in recent history.
Nothing more here
Your post on your observable conclusion is funny.
You speak as if you know how to be all wise,all powerful and predict the future.
And wait for the internet to come? Really? .
You go ahead and tell God that you know how to deliver a message better than he does.
No big deal that the bible don't support the UB neither does the Jew religion support Jesus.
Its funny you don't dare believe something because it appeared in recent history.
Nothing more here
Re: Favorite contradictions of the Bible...
Post #270There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil
to one who is striking at the root.
Henry D. Thoreau
to one who is striking at the root.
Henry D. Thoreau
