Christainity says we have 'free will'. Christianity says each person is responsible for their own actions, in regards to one's eternal life heaven/hell.
If both of these concepts are true, why do so many people feel the need to 'butt' into another person's business?
If a person wants to smoke pot in their own home, why do some christians care?
A person wants to go to a stip club, why the need for christians take pictures of them and put on social media to 'shame them'? http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /13738537/
What's the point here, christians? You don't like the club, don't go to/support it. How does taking their pictures 'save their souls'?
Don't like gay marriage? Don't 'be gay' and/or get married to a gay person. How does not allowing gay marriage to be legal 'save their souls'?
Don't believe in evolution, don't teach it in your churches. How does trying to sneak in ID as 'science' in public schools 'save the souls' of the students?
The list is almost endless.
While it's not about one's 'rights' to protest or not, it's about 'winning souls for jesus!'
How do these activities bring more lost sinners to god?
How does shaming a pot smoker, alcohol drinker, strip club patron, preventing man made rights from a gay person (etc) win these people's souls?
Surely forbidding churches from teaching their beliefs at church would be worth a fight in the US, the vast majority of these things happen independent of church and church activities. Yet, some christians seem to think it's their 'job' to 'butt into' the lives of people, who have no interest in going to, looking at or participating in, a church or church activity.
What's the 'christian logic' here? How does interferring with one's personal life benefit the cause to win souls to god?
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Post #71OK I see what you're saying now, but do those things force you to worship in any way? I mean, they are annoying for sure, but I don't see them affecting one's worship - meaning you aren't force to agree with them in a worshipping sense (goign to a church or the like)DanieltheDragon wrote: [Replying to post 69 by ten10ths]
The pledge of allegiance for one, "One nation under god". Then you have blue laws preventing the purchase of goods and services on Sunday and in some cases not allowing employment. Gay marriage bans. Laws that prevents or harrasses poly lifestyles. Laws preventing Oral and Anal sex.
The list could go on but I think I made my point. Religious zealots in the US of A have crafted and constructed laws to force their religious beliefs on others.
I don't like them myself - they are rather silly really. And where possible, I ignore them (like the pledge). But they don't typically affect me in a direct way. And while I'll agree that religious groups are trying to force their beliefs onto others, I don't really see the opposite. I don't see people trying to make a religious group say this or that is not a sin. But that's just me I guess. In some places, there are probably some that are trying to do just that.
In a nutshell, no non-religious person should force a change in the belief of a religious person and no religious person should force their views onto a non-religious person (in as much as it relates to a person's personal values).
Maybe that didn't make it clear? lol
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Post #72[Replying to post 71 by ten10ths]
I guess it depends on your perspective of what consists of worship. Forcing a practice or right of belief on another can be considered forcing worship on an individual in an indirect manner. However, that is really just a manner of opinion.
The pledge of allegiance is an egregious example as you have to pledge your allegiance to a god in addition to the nation. Pledging yourself to a god sounds a bit like worship to me.
Additionally and recently an Atheist was denied re-enlistment because he would not sign an oath to god
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2014/09/08/ath ... d-in-oath/
Frankly it is disturbing the lengths at which some religious individuals try to force people into their belief structures.
I guess it depends on your perspective of what consists of worship. Forcing a practice or right of belief on another can be considered forcing worship on an individual in an indirect manner. However, that is really just a manner of opinion.
The pledge of allegiance is an egregious example as you have to pledge your allegiance to a god in addition to the nation. Pledging yourself to a god sounds a bit like worship to me.
Additionally and recently an Atheist was denied re-enlistment because he would not sign an oath to god
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2014/09/08/ath ... d-in-oath/
Frankly it is disturbing the lengths at which some religious individuals try to force people into their belief structures.
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Post #73It is very disturbing. Yet so many times believers claim to be the ones oppressed lolDanieltheDragon wrote: [Replying to post 71 by ten10ths]
I guess it depends on your perspective of what consists of worship. Forcing a practice or right of belief on another can be considered forcing worship on an individual in an indirect manner. However, that is really just a manner of opinion.
The pledge of allegiance is an egregious example as you have to pledge your allegiance to a god in addition to the nation. Pledging yourself to a god sounds a bit like worship to me.
Additionally and recently an Atheist was denied re-enlistment because he would not sign an oath to god
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2014/09/08/ath ... d-in-oath/
Frankly it is disturbing the lengths at which some religious individuals try to force people into their belief structures.
It would be silly if it weren't so sad.
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Post #74Christians have their own problems and should keep to their own business. It's not a Christian's business if the guy in the next town over smokes some pot or if the woman down the street sleeps with 14 guys in 4 days (as long as none of those guys are married to the Christian).connermt wrote: Christainity says we have 'free will'. Christianity says each person is responsible for their own actions, in regards to one's eternal life heaven/hell.
If both of these concepts are true, why do so many people feel the need to 'butt' into another person's business?
If a person wants to smoke pot in their own home, why do some christians care?
A person wants to go to a stip club, why the need for christians take pictures of them and put on social media to 'shame them'? http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /13738537/
What's the point here, christians? You don't like the club, don't go to/support it. How does taking their pictures 'save their souls'?
Don't like gay marriage? Don't 'be gay' and/or get married to a gay person. How does not allowing gay marriage to be legal 'save their souls'?
Don't believe in evolution, don't teach it in your churches. How does trying to sneak in ID as 'science' in public schools 'save the souls' of the students?
The list is almost endless.
While it's not about one's 'rights' to protest or not, it's about 'winning souls for jesus!'
How do these activities bring more lost sinners to god?
How does shaming a pot smoker, alcohol drinker, strip club patron, preventing man made rights from a gay person (etc) win these people's souls?
Surely forbidding churches from teaching their beliefs at church would be worth a fight in the US, the vast majority of these things happen independent of church and church activities. Yet, some christians seem to think it's their 'job' to 'butt into' the lives of people, who have no interest in going to, looking at or participating in, a church or church activity.
What's the 'christian logic' here? How does interferring with one's personal life benefit the cause to win souls to god?
I know some Christians. None of them have lives so bright that they can afford to ignore their own lives and try to change the lives of others especially through laws. If they want to change the lives of someone else, they need to ACT like a Christian, not try to make OTHERS live like a Christian or a person with Christian values.
