Produce "Pro gay (or LGBT)" scripture

[99percentatheism]

Very simple.:The movement to homosexualize The Church, to celebrate and encourage people to engage in homosexuality, including the redefining of marriage even, has been going on for a few decades now. With of course the expected schism by those Christians that cannot be part of that.

So, simply, for those that support homosexuality, "gay pride," and those that define themselves by the sex act or desire for it (Gays, Lesbians, and Bi-Sexuals), produce the open and unambiguous scriptural support New Testament or Old Testament . . . for "Christians" to engage in, support and promote homosexuality.

[99percentatheism]

Haven

The silence of responses declares only one thing. Christians that oppose the homosexual agenda and the homosexualization of The Church are in the right. They are neither intolerant, mean, hateful or any other negative labeling hung as a sign of derision on them from the supporters and promoters of gay pride.

Have you considered that (Biblical-literalist) Christianity itself may be intolerant, bigoted, etc.? Why should anyone trust a 1,900+-year-old collection of anonymous documents as a moral guide? Maybe people should use their hearts and minds to determine what is acceptable instead of some ancient "holy" text.

Humans engaging in same gender sex acts predates Christianity. Greece, for example, was many centuries before the first Christians were called by that label.

Your post notes that there aren't any scriptures that supports the gay agenda being plied in The Church. Nor does it support the homosexualization of Christian life. This is an important truth for Christians to realize as people like Matthew Vines and orgs like Soulforce set their sites on attacking Biblical truth and forming a new agenda of forcing their gay desires, behaviors and gay activism on The Church.

Since there is no support for the homosexualization of Christians anywhere in or from the Bible, why would any Christian embrace an anything goes morality of allowing personal desires to form a new religion to rule over The Church? That seems the height of intolerance.

It must always be pointed out that the Christians that oppose the homosexualization of The Church, are in the right. They are contending for and keeping the faith.

The alleged 'silence' means nothing. In fact you are demonstrably wrong, as has been pointed out to you many times. Christian churches are not silent at all, but accept their LGBT brethren.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affir ... ominations

Yours is an increasingly outlier position. Many Christians and Christian denominations specifically the LGBT community into their churches because they recognize the temporal restrictions on the 1st Century church and understand the fact that sexual orientation is not a choice. The rejection of gays by some who call themselves 'Christian' runs exactly opposite to the general principles of Christianity that Jesus taught. To hold on to these prejudices shows ignorance or denial of facts demonstrated in this article: http://www.salon.com/2012/01/22/the_inv ... erosexual/

Did you even read this pro gay article you reference?

SUNDAY, JAN 22, 2012 01:00 PM CST
The invention of the heterosexual
The history of straightness is much shorter than you'd think. An expert explains its origins
THOMAS ROGERS

Why not post an article between a Klansman and a White Supremacist in Oregon on the history of Blacks and Jews?

There is not even a shred of objectivity to any of it. It asserts gay culture and never veers from its inevitable outcome.

But what I did notice is that you cannot produce any pro gay scriptures. All you can do is not accept the Christian reality in it.

OK, that is what it is.

[99percentatheism]

Divine Insight

The challenge has been made and the inability of it to be refuted shows who is and who isn't right about it.

I'm neither gay, nor do I believe in Hebrew mythology. What I do support is human rights.

Yet you post "Hebrew mythology as if it were absolutely real.

I personally wouldn't even try to make a case that the Biblical dogma isn't filled with hatred and bigotry. I'm sure it is.

The modern day Hebrews don't seem to agree with your choices.

After all, the Bible also makes a case for the social oppression of women as second-class citizens who aren't even permitted to speak in public on matters of religion. Something that Christian women do all the time today.

You mean the gender we male Christians are to love as Jesus loves The Church?

The Bible also makes a case for slavery, and that it's considered to be "moral" in this religion to beat your slave to within an inch of their life as long as you don't kill them.

Which religion? What slavery? The slavery mentioned in the New Testament is Roman cultural slavery. You do know that right?

The Bible also condones and even places a price on women and slaves as chattel.

You need to create a thread addressed to a Rabbi for answers to your outrage.

Here, let me help the opposition to Christian truth:

Christian truth?

What in the world is that?

It is well defined in the New Testament. A compilation of very tiny booklets. So you shouldn't have anytime reading them and answering the OP as of course NO.

Do you condone selling your daughter to her rapist for 30 shekels of silver?

That's "Christian Truth".

That is Hebrew truth. I noticed that in the Gospel, the daughter we see referenced was brought back from the dead bu Jesus. I haven't come across anyone selling their rapped daughter.

Now, do you believe gay activists that Jesus condoned pederasty? Pederasty IS part of homosexual history you know. So, are you in agreement with the gay assertion that pederasty is condoned?

Deuteronomy 22:
[28] If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
[29] Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

Obviously your daughter doesn't even get any say in the matter. This is just between you and your daughter's rapist. And if you are TRUE to your God's Word you would gladly take the 30 shekels of silver and hand your daughter over to the rapist.

Like I said, you need to ask a Rabbi for that answer.

IMHO, anytime the Bible is used as fodder for hatred and bigotry it can only backfire.

You have converted to Christianity in a gay Church? It seems you are saying that they have finally got it all right. You know, if it feels good do it?

There is no "Christian Truth". What exists is Christian hypocrisy and denial of many of the immoral demands of these ancient Jealous-God myths.

If you think that opinion of yours is going to have us renounce Christ or accept the gay agenda taking over The Church, you are in for a very disappointed experience.

Unless you are prepared to sell your virgin daughter to me for 30 shekels of silver after I rape her then don't even talk to me about "Christian Truth".

I have no desire to talk to you about Christian truth. All this thread is asking for is pro gay scriptures. Which of course your subterfuge shows cannot happen.

I can't believe that you would hold this ancient Bible up as being a book of morality. Clearly you are going to pick and chose what you would personally like to be bigoted against.

What you believe in is not important to me. I asked a question in the OP and you show there is no support for the homosexualization of Christianity. That those that oppose it are the honest and forthright individuals and groups.

It's an ancient collection of immoralities.

I believe you believe that. And your right to do so is never going to be questioned by me. I can assure you.

You chose to use it to belittle and degrade homosexuality.

What? All I am doing is proving how honest and ethical Christians are that will not celebrate, condone and submit to homosexual authority "in The Church." And that is reaffirmed time and again in post after post where there will be no scriptures being offered that shows support for homosexuality.

But would you sell your daughter to a rapist?

No. I don't support rape either. And by the way, since you like conjecture and spin games, why can't rape be classified as a sexual orientation? So, a rapist isn't doing anything wrong, but just living his/her sexual orientation.

Do you condone slavery?

The same way Paul did.

Do you condone beating slaves?

Only in Chess.

Do you support that women should keep their mouths shut in church and in public on matters of religion or political importance?

Not really.

Unless you are prepared to support and stand behind all of the hateful bigotries of the Bible why use it as fodder for hatred against gays?

Hatred of gays? I have no desire even to interact with the promoters of homosexality and take a live and let live position about it and them. You do realize that I do not care what non and anti Christians do right? Unless of course they demand to force me to submit to their proclivities and authority in The Church. Then they get to listen to me oppose them.

I personally don't see any merit in your position at all.

So then it is safe to say that you cannot produce any pro gay scriptures.

You could have saved yourself a lot of angst and just said that in one sentence.

[99percentatheism]

Haven

Your post notes that there aren't any scriptures that supports the gay agenda being plied in The Church. Nor does it support the homosexualization of Christian life. This is an important truth for Christians to realize as people like Matthew Vines and orgs like Soulforce set their sites on attacking Biblical truth and forming a new agenda of forcing their gay desires, behaviors and gay activism on The Church.

"Homosexualization?" A propagandistic neologism if I've ever seen one.

Yup. And very accurate.

No one is trying to "homosexualize" Christians; no one is trying to turn anyone gay. What people who support human rights want is for LGBT people to be treated equally in all areas of life, including churches, and to have equal rights under the law.

That has been accomplished in "gay affirming" churches. And those churches do not have any pro gay scripture to support the homosexualization of their denominations. But they do have decidedly secular gay activism to do it with. But be that as it may, Christians that affirm marriage as immutably man and woman/husband and wife do have perfect support from scripture.

99 Since there is no support for the homosexualization of Christians anywhere in or from the Bible, why would any Christian embrace an anything goes morality of allowing personal desires to form a new religion to rule over The Church? That seems the height of intolerance.

The Bible is marginally heterosexist:

Marginally? How about immutably.That is reality. Otherwise known as truth.

Leviticus 18 and 20, along with Romans 1, could be interpreted as condemning some kinds of same-sex relationships, and, except for a few instances (Naomi and Ruth, David and Jonathan, etc.), the Bible doesn't explicitly mention same-sex relationships.

Are you right now in your response promoting incest between a mother in law and her daughter in law?

And please produce any scripture that details a sex act between David and Jonathan like there is between Tamar and Onan/Tamar and Judah. The Bible is not shy about describing the carnal aspect of sex between men and women. And you seem to be avoiding the Roman pederast and his child "pais" that "Jesus blessed" that I know and obviously you know, gay theologians use as support for homosexualization of The Church.

So what? The Bible also condones slavery, rape, polygamy, and sex trafficking (read Deuteronomy 22, Numbers 31, and any Bible verse mentioning concubines).

Who cares what the Bible says? Christian morality needs to evolve beyond the Bible if it has any hope of being accepted in society or respecting human rights.

You do not need to care about what the Bible says. But, by what right do you posses that you can demand of Christians anything?

Like this thread proves beyond a shadow of a doubt, there is no pro gay scriptures anywhere in the Bible. So the honesty that is being grasped is by those that oppose gay pride being condoned in their Churches.

[99percentatheism]

Haven

The silence of responses declares only one thing. Christians that oppose the homosexual agenda and the homosexualization of The Church are in the right. They are neither intolerant, mean, hateful or any other negative labeling hung as a sign of derision on them from the supporters and promoters of gay pride.

Have you considered that (Biblical-literalist) Christianity itself may be intolerant, bigoted, etc.? Why should anyone trust a 1,900+-year-old collection of anonymous documents as a moral guide? Maybe people should use their hearts and minds to determine what is acceptable instead of some ancient "holy" text.

Humans engaging in same gender sex acts predates Christianity. Greece, for example, was many centuries before the first Christians were called by that label.

So, were these non-Christian people committing 'a sin'? Were these people bound under the penalty of death by 'the rules' of a God in which they did not believe?

Your post notes that there aren't any scriptures that supports the gay agenda being plied in The Church. Nor does it support the homosexualization of Christian life.

The Bible, as far as I can tell, does not support a whole lot of things that 'the Church' finds acceptable today. For instance, how do you think Jesus would feel about the glaring commercialism of 'the Church' and its 'prosperity message' that is poles apart from the teaching of Jesus Christ? And then, of course, there's the acceptance by 'the Church' of divorce and remarriage ...a definite scriptural no-no! Would Jesus be okay with divorce and remarriage? Or, would Jesus instead turn a blind eye to all of the hypocrisy and the double standards as plied by 'the Church' and rather target 'the homosexualization' of Christian life? It seems to me as though you've got all your priorities backwards, 99percent.

This is an important truth for Christians to realize as people like Matthew Vines and orgs like Soulforce set their sites on attacking Biblical truth and forming a new agenda of forcing their gay desires, behaviors and gay activism on The Church.

You like the word 'attack', don't you, 99percent? Disagreeing with you and demonstrating that ambiguous scriptures can be interpreted in other than YOUR way should not be construed as 'an attack'. Here's what I think. I think that YOU like to believe that a battle instigated by homosexual people toward 'the Church' is going on. Moreover, I think you enjoy 'the battle' as this appears to have given you the opportunity to set yourself up as a 'caped crusader' of sorts.

Since there is no support for the homosexualization of Christians anywhere in or from the Bible, why would any Christian embrace an anything goes morality of allowing personal desires to form a new religion to rule over The Church? That seems the height of intolerance.

I repeat what I said earlier. The Bible, as far as I can tell, does not support a whole lot of things that 'the Church' finds acceptable today. For instance, how do you think Jesus would feel about the glaring commercialism of 'the Church' and its 'prosperity message' that is poles apart from the teaching of Jesus Christ? And then, of course, there's the acceptance by 'the Church' of divorce and remarriage ...a definite scriptural no-no! Would Jesus be okay with divorce and remarriage? Or, would Jesus instead turn a blind eye to all of the hypocrisy and the double standards as plied by 'the Church' and rather target 'the homosexualization' of Christian life? It seems to me as though you've got all your priorities backwards, 99percent.

It must always be pointed out that the Christians that oppose the homosexualization of The Church, are in the right. They are contending for and keeping the faith.

I must confess, I don't know what 'the homosexualization of the Church' even means. Would you say that the increasing number of 'Gay Affirming Churches' have been 'homosexualized?' Or, could it be that the tenets of such Churches is more in keeping with the Gospel message of Jesus?

I would opt for the latter explanation.

Then pray tell, which gay church have you joined and become a gay-proclaiming evangelical Christian? I notice in real life as well a lot of non and anti Christians drumming on and on with their support for the homosexualization of Christianity, but I don't see a lot of converts to gay Christianity.

Can you show me anyone in the homosexualization church movement that is anything like Billy Graham?

Can you show just one crusade calling sinners to repent being held by a gay evangelist calling LGBT's (and the plethora of other added letters) to an alter call?

Hardly. What we see is a gay pride movement no different than any other in the secular world.

But still, not even one unambiguous piece of scripture decidedly proclaiming support for the gay agenda.

[Divine Insight]

Yet you post "Hebrew mythology as if it were absolutely real.

As a mythology it's just as real as Greek mythology. I don't deny that a male-chauvinistic society of barbarians invented a God to support their immoral bigotries, if that's what you mean. Hebrew mythology was indeed invented by the Hebrew. I don't deny that for a moment.

I personally wouldn't even try to make a case that the Biblical dogma isn't filled with hatred and bigotry. I'm sure it is.

The modern day Hebrews don't seem to agree with your choices.

The modern day Hebrews are just as much in denial of their own mythology as the Christians are. They don't even acknowledge what actually written in their text. They just ignore it and pretend that it says something else, just like the Christians do.

After all, the Bible also makes a case for the social oppression of women as second-class citizens who aren't even permitted to speak in public on matters of religion. Something that Christian women do all the time today.

You mean the gender we male Christians are to love as Jesus loves The Church?

No, I'm not talking about love or Jesus. I'm talking about how the Old Testament clearly has God condoning treating women as chattel. It's pretty clear in the text that this is the case. The only thing that is quite amazing is that the people who claim to support these religions are in complete denial of their own texts.

The Bible also makes a case for slavery, and that it's considered to be "moral" in this religion to beat your slave to within an inch of their life as long as you don't kill them.

Which religion? What slavery? The slavery mentioned in the New Testament is Roman cultural slavery. You do know that right?

I wasn't talking about the New Testament. I'm talking about the Old Testament.

Exodus 21:
20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

Beating a slave is cultural slavery? According to this verse you can beat your slave as hard as you wish as long as they survive for a day or two.

This also has nothing at all to do with the Romans. So clearly your just exhibiting more denial. Or possibly ignorance of your own religious doctrines.

The Bible also condones and even places a price on women and slaves as chattel.

You need to create a thread addressed to a Rabbi for answers to your outrage.

I don't need any Rabbi. For the Bible tells me so.

Leviticus 25:44-46
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.

If the Rabbis or the Christians deny this then they are in denial of their own scriptures.

You can't hide from these evil scriptures by pretending that only Rabbis or Christians are permitted to interpret them. These scripture speak for themselves.

Here, let me help the opposition to Christian truth:

Christian truth?

What in the world is that?

It is well defined in the New Testament. A compilation of very tiny booklets. So you shouldn't have anytime reading them and answering the OP as of course NO.

Well, perhaps you need to read the OLD Testament. That is the doctrine that describe the original God.

Do you condone selling your daughter to her rapist for 30 shekels of silver?

That's "Christian Truth".

That is Hebrew truth. I noticed that in the Gospel, the daughter we see referenced was brought back from the dead bu Jesus. I haven't come across anyone selling their rapped daughter.

You're obsessed with Jesus again. I posted this from Deuteronomy. Clearly you are in total denial of the Bible.

Now, do you believe gay activists that Jesus condoned pederasty? Pederasty IS part of homosexual history you know. So, are you in agreement with the gay assertion that pederasty is condoned?

I couldn't care less what Jesus might have condoned or not condoned. That means nothing to me.

The fact that I have made is that you are selecting Biblical bigotries that you would like to hold against other people whilst remaining in complete denial of all he other hateful and immoral bigotries that exist within this same doctrine.

So I don't buy into your cherry-picking "Christianity" where you select which hateful bigotries from these ignorant myths that you'd like to use to condemn others whilst totally ignoring and being in absolute denial of many other hateful ignorant bigotries that also exist in these immoral doctrines.

Deuteronomy 22:
[28] If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
[29] Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

Obviously your daughter doesn't even get any say in the matter. This is just between you and your daughter's rapist. And if you are TRUE to your God's Word you would gladly take the 30 shekels of silver and hand your daughter over to the rapist.

Like I said, you need to ask a Rabbi for that answer.

I don't need to ask anyone. It's written right there in the Bible. I even posted the verses right here for you in bold blue letters so you wouldn't need to go look them up yourself.

No Rabbi required. The Bible speaks for itself.

IMHO, anytime the Bible is used as fodder for hatred and bigotry it can only backfire.

You have converted to Christianity in a gay Church? It seems you are saying that they have finally got it all right. You know, if it feels good do it?

I'm not converting Christianity into anything. I just point out the gross inconsistency of your position.

You are using selective bigotries from the Bible to shove in the face of other people whilst remaining in complete denial that this same Bible can be used to support a myriad of hateful immoral things.

This has clearly backfired on you and I'm sure anyone reading this exchange can clearly see this.

There is no "Christian Truth". What exists is Christian hypocrisy and denial of many of the immoral demands of these ancient Jealous-God myths.

If you think that opinion of yours is going to have us renounce Christ or accept the gay agenda taking over The Church, you are in for a very disappointed experience.

Who's "us"?

All Christians don't support selective bigotries. In fact, there are many Christians who actually reject the very idea that a loving God would have any problem with a same gender loving couples.

Unless you are prepared to sell your virgin daughter to me for 30 shekels of silver after I rape her then don't even talk to me about "Christian Truth".

I have no desire to talk to you about Christian truth. All this thread is asking for is pro gay scriptures. Which of course your subterfuge shows cannot happen.

You can run but you can't hide.

I have exposed your "selective bigotry". You are in flat denial of the other bigotries that are in the Bible, all the while you preach disrespect and hatred toward Gays in the name of Jesus the Christ Almighty.

I have no doubt that the Bible contains hatred toward homosexuality. The Bible is filled with all manner of hateful thing. There's no surprise there.

I can't believe that you would hold this ancient Bible up as being a book of morality. Clearly you are going to pick and chose what you would personally like to be bigoted against.

What you believe in is not important to me. I asked a question in the OP and you show there is no support for the homosexualization of Christianity. That those that oppose it are the honest and forthright individuals and groups.

Right right about that. I don't support the homosexualiztion of Christianity. I don't support Christianity at all period.

None the less, I feel that pointing out the inconsistency of your position is still a valid point in this thread.

If you don't support the buying and selling of slaves that you are free to treat as property and to beat to within an inch of their lives, then you do not support the Bible.

If you don't support that a man can rape your daughter and you need to then sell your virgin daughter to him for 30 Sheckles of silver, then you don't support the Bible.

In short, if you are going to be extremely selective about which biblical immoralities you ram down other people's throats in the name of Jesus the Christ Almighty, then I'm going to call you on, just as Jesus called the Pharisees on being hypocrites. '

It's an ancient collection of immoralities.

I believe you believe that. And your right to do so is never going to be questioned by me. I can assure you.

I also have the right to point this out when people are using the bible to support selective bigotries whilst ignoring the other immoralities in the same doctrine.

You chose to use it to belittle and degrade homosexuality.

What? All I am doing is proving how honest and ethical Christians are that will not celebrate, condone and submit to homosexual authority "in The Church." And that is reaffirmed time and again in post after post where there will be no scriptures being offered that shows support for homosexuality.

But you are failing to acknowledge that these same so-called "honest and ethical" Christians, are clearly sweeping under the carpet other immoral bigotries from the Bible that they don't care to support.

And that is hardly "honest and ethical".

But would you sell your daughter to a rapist?

No. I don't support rape either. And by the way, since you like conjecture and spin games, why can't rape be classified as a sexual orientation? So, a rapist isn't doing anything wrong, but just living his/her sexual orientation.

Because rape isn't consensual. If it were consensual then there would be nothing wrong with.

Hatred of gays? I have no desire even to interact with the promoters of homosexality and take a live and let live position about it and them. You do realize that I do not care what non and anti Christians do right? Unless of course they demand to force me to submit to their proclivities and authority in The Church. Then they get to listen to me oppose them.

I don't think any gays are trying to force you to submit to any authority at all.

They are probably just asking you to love your neighbor as Jesus had suggested you should.

I personally don't see any merit in your position at all.

So then it is safe to say that you cannot produce any pro gay scriptures.

You could have saved yourself a lot of angst and just said that in one sentence.

I don't need to. My purpose here was to simply point out that you are preaching "selective bigotries" in the name of Jesus the Christ whilst ignoring and refusing to even acknowledge the many other immoral bigotries contained within the Christian dogma.

That's the only point I care to make.

I'm not gay. I couldn't care less if you want to condemn gays in the name of Jesus.

You are more than free to do that.

But I think it's only fair to point out that it hasn't gone unnoticed that your condemnation in Jesus' name is extremely selective when it comes to the immoral bigotries of the Bible.

Keep in mind also that by refusing to allow Gays to become active member in your "Christian Church" then you are effectively standing between these Gays and Jesus. You are taking it upon yourself to stand between Jesus and someone else.

Don't you think that as a Christian you should give Jesus enough respect to allow Jesus to decide who he cares to embrace or not embrace in his Church?

After all who's church is it. Is it Jesus' church? Or your church?

[Danmark]

Can you show me anyone in the homosexualization church movement that is anything like Billy Graham?

"Homosexualization?" Is that a word? Why would someone want to be like Billy Graham who said, 'Homosexual perverts, with their "ungodly spirit of self-gratification," will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.'

What I find amusing is that the 96% are afraid of the 4%.

According to the Protect Kids Foundation, gay-rights advocates are “obsessed with power� and “are determined to transform schools, kids, and culture into their hedonistic vision of a new utopian America…radically transforming society by using our children as pawns for social change.� The organization believes that the immense bullying faced by students who are gay or perceived as gay in schools is not a significant issue, accusing supporters of anti-bullying policies of “fabricating an issue and claiming victim status to gain power� and “indoctrinating impressionable school children.� In their words, the establishment of anti-bullying programs “stigmatizes the normal and normalizes what has for centuries been deemed deviant� and somehow takes away the rights of heterosexuals who don’t support attempts to “homosexualize their children�:

The civil rights issue actually runs in favor of the estimated 96% of the population who are not homosexual. Having LGBT activists homosexualize their children will trample upon their civil rights. For the first time in our history, America is faced with a powerful movement that defines its alleged “rights� in terms of the deprivation of the fundamental rights of others. As a result, the homosexual movement is depriving other Americans of civil liberties guaranteed by the Bill of Rights.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/r ... RBIyl.dpuf

Is this a joke? The 96% are afraid of the 4%? This is turning bullying on its head.
Those poor kids, being bullied by gays. I'm sure we all remember that. These pesky tiny minorities picking on on all those poor little football players. I suppose somewhere there was a group of 20 guys in high school who were afraid to go to school for fear of being bullied by that one gay kid.

It reminds me of those poor white kids who were threatened by the little black girl going to their school. Shame on her! She was such a bully! Fortunately her 500 white classmates were protected from this lone girl by the guards who accompanied her to protect the 500.

Truth Behind the `Homosexual Agenda' Exposed: Ann Woolner

July 7 (Bloomberg) -- Over dinner with a gay friend this week, I asked to see his copy of the Homosexual Agenda.

I've been trying to find one ever since Justice Antonin Scalia complained two weeks ago that the U.S. Supreme Court had ``signed on to the so-called homosexual agenda'' when it struck down Texas' law against gay sex.

My friend claimed he had never actually seen it himself. Yeah, right. He's spent his career working in public schools, perfectly placed to troll for recruits and poison young minds. How could Agenda distributors have missed him?

In any case, it turns out that the best sources for the Homosexual Agenda are not homosexuals but anti-homosexuals.

```Gay' activists target America's children and seek their help in their quest of `tolerance' and `acceptance,''' says an article posted on the American Family Association's Agenda page.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... AE4LDb.vXc

[99percentatheism]

[Replying to post 15 by Divine Insight]

That was a long winded post of yours that points out what is written in the Bible. So, it should be easy for you to point out all of the pro gay texts. Even the mythological gay unions if you please?

[99percentatheism]

[Replying to post 16 by Danmark]

"Homosexualization?" Is that a word? Why would someone want to be like Billy Graham who said, 'Homosexual perverts, with their "ungodly spirit of self-gratification," will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.'

The consistency of an honest man.

So, you agree that there will be no "Billy Graham" types in gay Christianity? No tens of thousands of repenting LGBT's flooding the floor of stadium after stadium city after city repenting of their sins? So, this new movement by Soulforce and Vines is just simply to spread homosexuality? You seem to portray a gay movement devoid of Christian reality, while at the same time saying it is a Christian movement. I think someone has referenced "hypocrisy" in one of these posts?

How many gay proponents will be attending a gay crusade coming to their town or city? Graham had millions and millions of attendees of his Evangelistic campaigns. What will the gay crusades be promoting? Equaling of gay sex acts to be embraced? Same gender "marriage?" Hardly a move of God right? The "Christian God" that is?

What I find amusing is that the 96% are afraid of the 4%.

4% that is now a majority of the public polling system? The gay agenda is couched in how fast society has moved to be a majority that embraces the support of homosexual behavior. Secular society that is. You seem to be forgetting that? Or not know that?

Persecution of the faithful is a reality that is hard to ignore. Watching the rise of a movement that is both antithetical to Christian life, that is based on sexual desires and behaviors (here we Rome again?) of its adherents and incredibly powerful politically, judicially, socially and culturally, and every Christian that is not comfortable with ignoring history (or prophecy) sees the licentiousness of modern culture as an insatiable master that takes a heavy toll on those that will not submit to bowing before this idol. This looks like the rebirth of the Roman lasciviousness that also demanded that the Christians submit to it or suffer the consequences.

For there are gods many.

[99percentatheism]

[Replying to post 15 by Divine Insight]

I'm not gay. I couldn't care less if you want to condemn gays in the name of Jesus.

You are more than free to do that.

I don't condemn anyone. I am not The Judge of all the universe. Jesus is. I just react to false teachings and false teachers and wolves in sheep's clothing. Even the wolves that no longer don that attire but have brazenly shown their pride in being a a wolf among the sheep. And wolves are hardly interested in tolerance and diversity are they? They only stalk and consume their prey right? And in a pack right?

Jesus knows what he is talking about. Read Jude's rendition of this to see it played out in The Church right from the beginning. Why would expect any less now in our age?

But I think it's only fair to point out that it hasn't gone unnoticed that your condemnation in Jesus' name is extremely selective when it comes to the immoral bigotries of the Bible.

Proud rapists are not demanding to be pastors in Christian Churches. And, of course when the rapists, or even the adulterers are exposed, they are opposed.

Keep in mind also that by refusing to allow Gays to become active member in your "Christian Church" then you are effectively standing between these Gays and Jesus. You are taking it upon yourself to stand between Jesus and someone else.

You seem to not know what is written in the Gospel. Supporting and celebrating sinners and their sins is antithetical to Christian truth. I am not standing between anyone and Jesus. I am standing with Jesus. I do not excuse away my own sins and sinning so there is no way I can react to gay pride but in the same way. Unless of course you can produce openly pro gay texts in scripture??? Otherwise, your ad hom style attacks on me are as common as the accusation of homophobia. You may as well call me liaraphobic, theftaphobic, muderaphobic, prostitutionaphobic heresyaphobic etc., etc., etc., etc.. Ad infinitum ad nauseum.

This tactic of an ad hom attack on me (?), do you think this is my first rodeo with gay pride proponents? My skin is well worn with the scars of so many experiences with tactics such as yours that the swipes are quite painless. It needs asking, why do you demand that Christians celebrate sin and sinners instead of preaching repentance and forgiveness? Is that now hate speech too? When scripture is simply thrown in the trash how do even "gay Christians" find foundation for that definition?

Don't you think that as a Christian you should give Jesus enough respect to allow Jesus to decide who he cares to embrace or not embrace in his Church?

Test my positions. I am completely confident that they will show an honest man and not someone that alters truth for political correctness or that yokes himself to unbelievers. I'd rather suffer the persecution I have come to expect. The ad hom attack is a common response. Too bad the numbers of posts accredited to me don't include the responses by the adversaries.

After all who's church is it. Is it Jesus' church? Or your church?

There is only one means by which your accusation can be defended. Go to scripture. That is the best neutral place where the definition for what Christians should be like and what they should do is written. My positions do not oppose or contradict what Jesus is reported to have said. They do not reject scripture in any way. In fact, there is not one post I have written that demands to keep unrepentant homosexuals away from any Church I have ever attended. Just, like Jude writes, know who and what they are here for. BUT, to demand that "I" or any other Bible affirming Christian submit to homosexuals as our new authorities will never happen. No matter how many Churches get shattered by gay caused schisms. A Church is not a building, it is the people that follow Christ and the faith delivered only once to the saints.

These interactions between pro homosexuality forces and Bible affirming Christians follows a typical path. Ad hom attacks after ad hom attacks until the Mods close the threads.

Take a peek as to what is happening in this one.

And of course the empty basket of pro gay scriptures as well.

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Maybe I missed it but why would we expect to see any pro-gay scripture specifically?
We don't see any specific pro-computer scripture or anti-movie scripture so why would this be any different? I don't recall seeing these but I would suspect that doesn't mean we should be anti-computer or pro-moive anymore than anything else
Is this not a bait thread then, or did I miss the justification for this thread?