The Most immoral Act in the History of the Earth

[Danmark]

I submit that the single greatest act of immorality is recorded in the sixth chapter of Genesis:
'So the Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.�'

In the 20th century, the most serious acts of genocide involved less than 1% of the human population. Examples are: the extermination of the Armenian minority in Turkey, the extermination of Jews, Roma (Gypsies) and others by the Nazis, the extermination of the ethnic Albanians by the Serbs in Kosovo in the former Yugoslavia. The perpetrators have become the most hated of people. But the genocide resulting from the great flood is far more serious. It is recorded as having destroyed over 99% of the human race, leaving only eight humans alive.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/imm_bibl3.htm#noah

[Divine Insight]

I submit that the single greatest act of immorality is recorded in the sixth chapter of Genesis:
'So the Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.�'

How could a God who supposedly has a "Master Plan" be sorry that he created anything?

That would only imply that his "Master Plan" had failed miserably and he has no clue what he's doing.

For me, "The Most Immoral Act" to have every have been committed would have been the act of a Creator God to have created so many souls when in fact he has no clue what he's doing or how to create good souls.

If I were a Creator God, and I was having as many problems as the Biblical God has, I would seriously question why I keep doing this since I'm obviously no good at it.

I sure as heck wouldn't hold my creations responsible for my failure to be able to create decent people.

This God creates more defective evil souls than he can deal with. And he's obviously sorry that he even did it. That's hardly a God who knows what he's doing or has any clue how to create souls.

And we're being asked to believe that this inept God exists on pure faith?

Somebody has got to be kidding. Surely?

[Wordleymaster1]

I submit that the single greatest act of immorality is recorded in the sixth chapter of Genesis:
'So the Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.�'

How could a God who supposedly has a "Master Plan" be sorry that he created anything?

That would only imply that his "Master Plan" had failed miserably and he has no clue what he's doing.

For me, "The Most Immoral Act" to have every have been committed would have been the act of a Creator God to have created so many souls when in fact he has no clue what he's doing or how to create good souls.

If I were a Creator God, and I was having as many problems as the Biblical God has, I would seriously question why I keep doing this since I'm obviously no good at it.

I sure as heck wouldn't hold my creations responsible for my failure to be able to create decent people.

This God creates more defective evil souls than he can deal with. And he's obviously sorry that he even did it. That's hardly a God who knows what he's doing or has any clue how to create souls.

And we're being asked to believe that this inept God exists on pure faith?

Somebody has got to be kidding. Surely?

Unfortunately, very few ARE kidding - they're serious. Your points are a set of reasons why the whole Christian system is currently in shambles and completly made up by clueless people. And follow by either clueless people OR people with such a great need as to over look common sense. That doesn't make them BAD people - just easily swayed people. Bad people are bad no matter their belief

[ttruscott]

I submit that the single greatest act of immorality is recorded in the sixth chapter of Genesis:

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Do you reject just retribution for evil in all cases or just in the cases about GOD acting as a judge or just in this case of HIM acting as the judge of retribution for evil?

Genocide is a crime, but a group sentenced for their violence and executed by a righteous judge would not be a crime. The number of people is not what makes genocide a crime, but the reason for the deaths and the intent of those making the decision.

IF Ishi (c. 1860 – March 25, 1916) as the last member of the Yahi tribe in California, had been murdered for being Yahi, it would have been a genocide even though only one man died. IF he committed murder and was executed then there would have been no genocide but justice.

IF we restrict genocide from just being the death of a whole people to only apply to a criminally minded violence to exterminate a whole people, then nothing from a righteous Judge can be considered genocide.

You seem to be using the number of dead to justify a call of genocide but
1. there is no indication that GOD was not acting as a judge against their violence in support of justice amid claims that is what HE did, 2. there is no proof that HE was trying to exterminate a specific culture of people for being in that culture rather than for being demonically, violently evil.

To make it a genocide, you must ignore or change some of the 'facts' of the story because if the facts are accepted, there is no genocide, just a very large execution of criminals.

Peace, Ted

[Danmark]

I submit that the single greatest act of immorality is recorded in the sixth chapter of Genesis:
'So the Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.�'

How could a God who supposedly has a "Master Plan" be sorry that he created anything?

That would only imply that his "Master Plan" had failed miserably and he has no clue what he's doing.

For me, "The Most Immoral Act" to have every have been committed would have been the act of a Creator God to have created so many souls when in fact he has no clue what he's doing or how to create good souls.

If I were a Creator God, and I was having as many problems as the Biblical God has, I would seriously question why I keep doing this since I'm obviously no good at it.

I sure as heck wouldn't hold my creations responsible for my failure to be able to create decent people.

This God creates more defective evil souls than he can deal with. And he's obviously sorry that he even did it. That's hardly a God who knows what he's doing or has any clue how to create souls.

And we're being asked to believe that this inept God exists on pure faith?

Somebody has got to be kidding. Surely?

I don't understand why some Christians insist on taking the myths of Genesis literally. The world wide flood is an example. As you say it makes no sense that a God would make creatures he hates or are defective, then blames his own creation. To me this is proof this God is a fiction made up by men. These men are obviously trying to control other men, so they trot out horror stories to make their points. If there were a God, these 'prophets' do him a great disservice by making him look so evil. Then they have to scramble to come up with some way to work around the mess they created, so they say "God gave us freedom to choose." Well, they also claim God is omniscient, so again they've dug themselves a hole. This imaginary God of theirs knew, before before he created the first people, that they would be fruitful and multiply until there were millions of them and he would have to annihilate them all, save one family.

Then just about as soon as that family gets back on dry land, they start to cause problems again.
"Noah began to be a man of the soil, and he planted a vineyard. He drank of the wine and became drunk and lay uncovered in his tent."
Noah woke up with a horrendous hangover and, taking a page out of God's playbook, naturally shifted the blame to someone else, the one who told his brothers the old man lay drunk and naked in his tent.

“Cursed be Canaan;
a servant of servants shall he be to his brothers.�

Naturally some Christians used this as a way to justify slavery, which involves nothing less than murdering, kidnapping, torture, not to mention the stealing human beings and destroying their families and their culture.

This God supposedly knew all this would happen before he created the very first person. Instead of realizing these stories are obviously made up, too many theists blame those who point this logic out to them, claiming the messenger is disrespecting their 'God.'

[Elijah John]

I submit that the single greatest act of immorality is recorded in the sixth chapter of Genesis:

...

Do you reject just retribution for evil in all cases or just in the cases about GOD acting as a judge or just in this case of HIM acting as the judge of retribution for evil?

Genocide is a crime, but a group sentenced for their violence and executed by a righteous judge would not be a crime. The number of people is not what makes genocide a crime, but the reason for the deaths and the intent of those making the decision.

IF Ishi (c. 1860 – March 25, 1916) as the last member of the Yahi tribe in California, had been murdered for being Yahi, it would have been a genocide even though only one man died. IF he committed murder and was executed then there would have been no genocide but justice.

IF we restrict genocide from just being the death of a whole people to only apply to a criminally minded violence to exterminate a whole people, then nothing from a righteous Judge can be considered genocide.

You seem to be using the number of dead to justify a call of genocide but
1. there is no indication that GOD was not acting as a judge against their violence in support of justice amid claims that is what HE did, 2. there is no proof that HE was trying to exterminate a specific culture of people for being in that culture rather than for being demonically, violently evil.

To make it a genocide, you must ignore or change some of the 'facts' of the story because if the facts are accepted, there is no genocide, just a very large execution of criminals.

Peace, Ted

Are babies criminals Ted?

[Divine Insight]

This God creates more defective evil souls than he can deal with. And he's obviously sorry that he even did it. That's hardly a God who knows what he's doing or has any clue how to create souls.

And we're being asked to believe that this inept God exists on pure faith?

Somebody has got to be kidding. Surely?

Unfortunately, very few ARE kidding - they're serious.

I just realized also that I need to clarify something in a major way. Often times when speaking about these fictitious God fables it's all too easy for people to believe that my views on these fables are also my views on really, which isn't even close to being true.

For example, I just claim that this Biblical God would be the most inept creator ever since it obviously creates so many disgustingly bad souls. However I really need to wake people up and get them to realize that this is not my view of reality. I do not personally believe that the vast majority of humans are evil souls who hate good and love evil. That is the Biblical picture of reality, it's not reality.

In the OT these fables have God drowning out all of humanity because they are so evil. In the NT he has to sacrifice his only begotten son to "save" the horrible sinners of the world, and Paul claims that all men are sinners, etc. Even Jesus proclaims that only few will make it into the kingdom of heaven and therefore this necessarily leaves the vast majority to be condemned for being unworthy sinners.

But I really need to point out that this is the Biblical Fairytale picture of reality, it's not reality.

In reality the overwhelming majority of humans are actually very good people. This is an absolute well-established fact of life.

The percentage of the population that actually commits violent crimes is less than 2%. That means that 98% of the people on earth do not commit violent crimes.

This is the extreme opposite of the biblical picture of reality that claims that most humans deserve to be condemned.

And even if we include non-violent "crimes" right down to including things like traffic violations and even parking tickets, etc., the crime rates are still only something like 10% of the population, maybe 20% if we really stretch it. But still that leaves 80% to 90% of the people who don't even do anything wrong. At least not on a continual and intentional basis. I mean, I just got a speeding ticket myself about a week ago. My first speeding ticket in decades. We all make mistakes. But I don't typically rush around intentionally speeding on a regular basis.

The point is that in reality, the world is really full of good people far outnumbering the bad people without a doubt.

And just like Danmark has pointed out, even the most horrific examples of things like genocide only killed about 1% of the population. That doesn't mean that these genocides weren't horrific, but it should wake us up to the fact that even when we think evil is "taking over the world" it's really not even close to doing that.

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Someone might now say, "Well duh? If you believe that most souls are actually good people then why are you complaining that God is such an inept creator?"

The thing of it is that I don't. What they fail to realize is that I don't believe in the Biblical picture of God. And that picture itself is the one who claims that so many humans are basically evil people who need to be drowned or condemned.

If there really does exist a God it didn't do nearly as bad of a job as the Bible claims.

I don't know whether there's a God or not. And if there is it may not even be a personified designer-planner. It may be something else entirely that we can't even imagine.

But the real irony here is that if evolution is true that means that evolution, a process of mere natural selection due to random mutations sculpted by environmental and social factors, actually produced a species of humans that are overwhelmingly better and more highly moral than the Bible claims that a designer God could have done on purpose with forethought and planning.

That's amazing, yet actually understandable. At least it's understandable how evolution could have ended up with such great people. I'm not sure if it's understandable how an intentional creator could have ended up with so many evil people.

In any case, I just wanted to clear that up. I actually think that people for the most part are GREAT!

I don't buy into the biblical picture that people are so horrible. I just point out that if we are to believe the Bible then we must also believe that most people are horrible, and that our Creator is horribly inept at creating souls. But I don't think that conforms to reality. And I don't believe the biblical claims on these matters. That's not the world I live in. The world I live in is filled with far more nice people than jerks. That might seem different in certain areas of inner cities. But overall, globally speaking, there are far more nice people in the world than there are criminals. Ancient Hebrew mythology is simply wrong.

[Freddy_Scissorhands]

Do you reject just retribution for evil in all cases or just in the cases about GOD acting as a judge or just in this case of HIM acting as the judge of retribution for evil?

And who created all evil? God (apparently).
So, who is going to punish god? When does he has to pay for all the evil he has caused? Judges that aren't subject to the law they represent aren't judges at all. They are tyrants and dictators.

[Danmark]

I submit that the single greatest act of immorality is recorded in the sixth chapter of Genesis:

...

Do you reject just retribution for evil in all cases or just in the cases about GOD acting as a judge or just in this case of HIM acting as the judge of retribution for evil?

Genocide is a crime, but a group sentenced for their violence and executed by a righteous judge would not be a crime. The number of people is not what makes genocide a crime, but the reason for the deaths and the intent of those making the decision.

IF Ishi (c. 1860 – March 25, 1916) as the last member of the Yahi tribe in California, had been murdered for being Yahi, it would have been a genocide even though only one man died. IF he committed murder and was executed then there would have been no genocide but justice.

IF we restrict genocide from just being the death of a whole people to only apply to a criminally minded violence to exterminate a whole people, then nothing from a righteous Judge can be considered genocide.

You seem to be using the number of dead to justify a call of genocide but
1. there is no indication that GOD was not acting as a judge against their violence in support of justice amid claims that is what HE did, 2. there is no proof that HE was trying to exterminate a specific culture of people for being in that culture rather than for being demonically, violently evil.

To make it a genocide, you must ignore or change some of the 'facts' of the story because if the facts are accepted, there is no genocide, just a very large execution of criminals.

Peace, Ted

Ted, you redacted what I wrote, then started talking as if I wrote about genocide.
I wrote:

I submit that the single greatest act of immorality is recorded in the sixth chapter of Genesis:
'So the Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.�'

Not a word about "genocide." According to Genesis, God said he was going to kill EVERYBODY. Not just this race or that, not one tribe, but ALL tribes. All of mankind, not to mention all animals for good measure. This is much worse than 'genocide' unless we can use 'genocide' to mean everyone, rather than its usual meaning which refers to murdering a particular ethnic or racial group.

Later in the story we see this "God" repent, and he agrees to save one single man and his family. One (1). And then he decides he'd lost his temper when it came to wiping out all the animals too, so he has Noah load them all into an "Ark."

This is clearly a made up story. It reads like a child's picture book.

BTW, I am not disrespecting this "God" because this story shows that this "God" does not exist. What happened was most likely a local flood and some self designated "Prophet" decided to use the event as an object lesson for his flock, so he could threaten them with "retribution for evil" just as you say.

If there is a God, then this story is an insult to Him.
Or rather, I should say "reading the Bible literally" is an insult to this great work of literature.

Peace Ted.

[Divine Insight]

I don't understand why some Christians insist on taking the myths of Genesis literally. The world wide flood is an example. As you say it makes no sense that a God would make creatures he hates or are defective, then blames his own creation. To me this is proof this God is a fiction made up by men.

I totally agree. The Bible is absolute proof of it's own fallacy. There is no need to even consider any other reasons to dismiss it as being nothing more than very poorly made up fables.