The Bible clearly defines God as logically impossible, and therefore not existant.
God is love - 1 John 4:8
Love is not jealous - 1 Corinthians 13:4
The Lord thy God is a jealous God - Deuteronomy 6:15
That's like saying this:
Skippy is a cat
Cats are not dogs
Skippy is a dog
Logically impossible.
The God of the Bible, as per the description of him in the Bible, does not exist.
There is positive evidence, justifying a positive statement of non-belief.
Big thank you to OnceConvinced for thinking of putting together those three devastating Bible quotes.
Positive evidence God doesn't exist
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Actually, 1 Corinthians 13:4 says, love does not envy, while Deuteronomy 6:15 says, the LORD your God, who is among you, is a jealous God.
Envy and jealousy are not precisely synonymous. Envy is the excessive desire for something that is not yours, while jealously is the desire to protect something that you have a genuine claim to.
One can be excessively jealous, and that would be bad. However, a healthy amount of jealousy is a good thing. If I see my wife talking with another man and I get jealous that would be a bad thing; if I see my wife deeply kissing another man and experience no jealousy that would be an equally bad thing. Envy is always bad.
If you want to get technical, First Corinthians uses a Greek word which can be translated envy our jealousy depending on the context, and probably means envy in the context of First Corinthians. Deuteronomy uses a Hebrew word which refers to a unique kind of jealousy that only applies to God and has no human equivalent. The LXX, a Greek translation of the Old Testament, notes the difference in the wording in Deuteronomy by using a Greek word which means zealous.
Envy and jealousy are not precisely synonymous. Envy is the excessive desire for something that is not yours, while jealously is the desire to protect something that you have a genuine claim to.
One can be excessively jealous, and that would be bad. However, a healthy amount of jealousy is a good thing. If I see my wife talking with another man and I get jealous that would be a bad thing; if I see my wife deeply kissing another man and experience no jealousy that would be an equally bad thing. Envy is always bad.
If you want to get technical, First Corinthians uses a Greek word which can be translated envy our jealousy depending on the context, and probably means envy in the context of First Corinthians. Deuteronomy uses a Hebrew word which refers to a unique kind of jealousy that only applies to God and has no human equivalent. The LXX, a Greek translation of the Old Testament, notes the difference in the wording in Deuteronomy by using a Greek word which means zealous.
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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... rsion=NASBbjs wrote: Actually, 1 Corinthians 13:4 says, love does not envy, while Deuteronomy 6:15 says, the LORD your God, who is among you, is a jealous God.
Envy and jealousy are not precisely synonymous. Envy is the excessive desire for something that is not yours, while jealously is the desire to protect something that you have a genuine claim to.
One can be excessively jealous, and that would be bad. However, a healthy amount of jealousy is a good thing. If I see my wife talking with another man and I get jealous that would be a bad thing; if I see my wife deeply kissing another man and experience no jealousy that would be an equally bad thing. Envy is always bad.
If you want to get technical, First Corinthians uses a Greek word which can be translated envy our jealousy depending on the context, and probably means envy in the context of First Corinthians. Deuteronomy uses a Hebrew word which refers to a unique kind of jealousy that only applies to God and has no human equivalent. The LXX, a Greek translation of the Old Testament, notes the difference in the wording in Deuteronomy by using a Greek word which means zealous.
I guess you know more about translating old documents than those commissioned to publish the Bible.
Also, where did you get your definition that "envy is the excessive desire for something that is not yours, while jealously is the desire to protect something that you have a genuine claim to"? Wherever it came from, it has nothing to do with reality.
Definition of Envy from google dictionary: a feeling of discontented or resentful longing aroused by someone else's possessions, qualities, or luck.
The first listed synonym of envy in google dictionary: Jealousy
Definition of Jealous from Google dictionary: feeling or showing envy of someone or their achievements and advantages.
The first listed synonym of jealous in google dictionary: Envious
Listed synonyms of Jealous from synonym.com: Covetous, envious.
Listed synonyms of Jealous from thesaurus.com: Envying
Listed synonym of Envious from thesaourus.com: Jealous
And here is the cherry on the cake. According to thesaurus.com, what is the antonym (opposite) of envy? Love
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There are different kinds of jealousy.
If I am jealous of someone because he has more money, a nicer car, a bigger house, etc., that's petty and self-centred. It is based on what I lack and what I want to have whether I need it or not. It stems from my love for myself.
But it is also possible to be jealous FOR someone rather than OF someone. To be jealous FOR someone is to want nothing but the best for them. It is unselfish and it is other-centred. It stems from one's love for that "other".
This is the kind of jealousy that God manifests. He is complete in and of himself, lacking nothing. Therefore, there is no reason he would ever be jealous OF someone or something. His jealousy isn't focused on himself, but on others and he focuses on others out of love.
If you look at the verses in the Bible which speak of God's jealousy, it's easy to see that he is jealous FOR Israel. (Note: it is imperative that one read verses in context to understand them properly). God wants nothing but the best for the Israelites. If they follow the idols and the ways of the pagans, then they will be devastatingly hurt. He doesn't want that. His jealousy for them stems from his love. It is love that made him want the best for Israel and that meant NOT following false religions.
The same is true of God today. He is willing to give us his best, but all too often we settle for what the world has to offer which is nothing in comparison to what God offers. Therefore, he is jealous for us, meaning that he wants the best for us. His jealousy stems from his love and is focused on us, not himself.
Therefore, there is nothing illogical about God being both loving and jealous. The former rightly leads to the latter. One of the definitions given by Merriam Webster and TheFreeDictionary.com for the word "jealousy" is "zealous vigilance". That is a more apt description of God's jealousy than the ones you listed in your post, atheist buddy. God is zealously vigilant for our well-being. Unfortunately, because we have free will, we sometimes make the wrong choices and fail to receive God's best.
If I am jealous of someone because he has more money, a nicer car, a bigger house, etc., that's petty and self-centred. It is based on what I lack and what I want to have whether I need it or not. It stems from my love for myself.
But it is also possible to be jealous FOR someone rather than OF someone. To be jealous FOR someone is to want nothing but the best for them. It is unselfish and it is other-centred. It stems from one's love for that "other".
This is the kind of jealousy that God manifests. He is complete in and of himself, lacking nothing. Therefore, there is no reason he would ever be jealous OF someone or something. His jealousy isn't focused on himself, but on others and he focuses on others out of love.
If you look at the verses in the Bible which speak of God's jealousy, it's easy to see that he is jealous FOR Israel. (Note: it is imperative that one read verses in context to understand them properly). God wants nothing but the best for the Israelites. If they follow the idols and the ways of the pagans, then they will be devastatingly hurt. He doesn't want that. His jealousy for them stems from his love. It is love that made him want the best for Israel and that meant NOT following false religions.
The same is true of God today. He is willing to give us his best, but all too often we settle for what the world has to offer which is nothing in comparison to what God offers. Therefore, he is jealous for us, meaning that he wants the best for us. His jealousy stems from his love and is focused on us, not himself.
Therefore, there is nothing illogical about God being both loving and jealous. The former rightly leads to the latter. One of the definitions given by Merriam Webster and TheFreeDictionary.com for the word "jealousy" is "zealous vigilance". That is a more apt description of God's jealousy than the ones you listed in your post, atheist buddy. God is zealously vigilant for our well-being. Unfortunately, because we have free will, we sometimes make the wrong choices and fail to receive God's best.
