A question for christians

[thenormalyears]

You believe in a God that is all knowing, he knows the past, present and the future, correct?

[harvey1]

Of course, it also reflects my.. mmm, Physical endeavours, if you know what i mean

It's lewd. You couldn't use that name in most professional associations in the world without being looked upon very negatively.

Where do you live?

A town in the Midwest.

I think it costs less then 300$ (US) to fly Stockholm -> Eastcoast (JFK or Miami ex), thats almost for free. I think you can manage around less then 500$ from the Westcoast (SF -> Stockholm)

Nah. I have to stay at that ice hotel and see the northern lights and all of that...

And i promise not to make fun of your height, weight and glasses

(Breathing deeply, exhaling...) Atheists...

[McCulloch]

I only have one question that most evolutionist cannot explain, where did our conscience develop from? Why do we instinctivly know when we've done wrong, and have regrets because of our wrong doings? No other animal seems to share this with humans.

All social animals have this to a degree. I would recommend that you read The Science of Good and Evil: Why People Cheat, Gossip, Care, Share, and Follow the Golden Rule by Michael Shermer. Here is a review.

I know that there's a God, not because the Bible tells me, but because I have a relationship with God. I pray, talk to God, and He answers me either through my reading of the Bible or a message at church that relates to a problem I have, or even that still small voice called my conscience.

Elwood P. Dowd knows that there's a pooka named Harvey, not because anyone tells him so, but because he has a relationship with Harvey. He talks to Harvey and Harvey answers him in a still small voice.

[Cathar1950]

I agree with you Harvey and I have been trying to convince him (Scrotum) to change his name to teabag but he insists he is a pouch.

I didn’t think I would ever use it in a real sentence Scrotum but I couldn’t resist.

[Believer]

Elwood P. Dowd knows that there's a pooka named Harvey, not because anyone tells him so, but because he has a relationship with Harvey. He talks to Harvey and Harvey answers him in a still small voice.

Nice now you compare my relationship with God to a movie about a giant rabbit. I only have one response to you, and don't worry, it's not bad. It's just a question.

If you have proof, I mean 100%, admissible in court, proof that God doesn't exist, then show me. If you can't provide proof, then I think you should reconsider your stance. Because if you're right and God is just a figment of my imagination, well actually quite a few imaginations, but either way, if you're right then I simply die a foolish man who believed in a God, who made him a better person for it.

But if I'm right, and there is a God, and He is angry because people don't believe in Him, and He is angry because people have sinned against Him, then a large percent of the population, including yourself will be spending eternity in a place of eternal torment. So if that doesn't worry you because you've got it all together, or you somehow figure that you'll be able to talk your way out of hell, and appeal to God's loving side, remember if you're found guilty of a crime in human court, and tell the judge "I'm really sorry your honor I didn't believe that law to be real", or "I really am sorry your honor, I know you to be a loving, kind judge" if the judge is a good judge you'll still end up in jail.

So laugh it up all you want, because if you're right then we just simply cease to exist, but if I'm right it will be a hot time in the city for eternity.

[Goat]

Elwood P. Dowd knows that there's a pooka named Harvey, not because anyone tells him so, but because he has a relationship with Harvey. He talks to Harvey and Harvey answers him in a still small voice.

Nice now you compare my relationship with God to a movie about a giant rabbit. I only have one response to you, and don't worry, it's not bad. It's just a question.

If you have proof, I mean 100%, admissible in court, proof that God doesn't exist, then show me. If you can't provide proof, then I think you should reconsider your stance. Because if you're right and God is just a figment of my imagination, well actually quite a few imaginations, but either way, if you're right then I simply die a foolish man who believed in a God, who made him a better person for it.

But if I'm right, and there is a God, and He is angry because people don't believe in Him, and He is angry because people have sinned against Him, then a large percent of the population, including yourself will be spending eternity in a place of eternal torment. So if that doesn't worry you because you've got it all together, or you somehow figure that you'll be able to talk your way out of hell, and appeal to God's loving side, remember if you're found guilty of a crime in human court, and tell the judge "I'm really sorry your honor I didn't believe that law to be real", or "I really am sorry your honor, I know you to be a loving, kind judge" if the judge is a good judge you'll still end up in jail.

So laugh it up all you want, because if you're right then we just simply cease to exist, but if I'm right it will be a hot time in the city for eternity.

Of course, you forgot that you just might be worshipping a false god. After all, it was written that 'God is not a man, that he should lie, and god is not the son of man, that he shoudl repent'. According to some, that means that the son of man is not god. Worshipping a false god is idoltry.

It could be god will be more angry at someone worshipping a false god than no god.

[bernee51]

If you have proof, I mean 100%, admissible in court, proof that God doesn't exist, then show me.

Can you provide such proof for the existence of you version of god?
Besides - it is you who is making the claim of existence...this atheist does not know of any evidence to support such a claim.

As to 'proof of non-existence'...can you prove "100%, admissible in court" that Thor does not exist?

If you can't provide proof, then I think you should reconsider your stance.

Will you reconsider yours?

Because if you're right and God is just a figment of my imagination, well actually quite a few imaginations, but either way, if you're right then I simply die a foolish man who believed in a God, who made him a better person for it.

But if I'm right, and there is a God, and He is angry because people don't believe in Him, and He is angry because people have sinned against Him, then a large percent of the population, including yourself will be spending eternity in a place of eternal torment.

Pascal's Wager has to be about the poorest argument for belief in any deity - and one of the easiest to counter.

[Easyrider]

Of course, you forgot that you just might be worshipping a false god. After all, it was written that 'God is not a man, that he should lie, and god is not the son of man, that he shoudl repent'. According to some, that means that the son of man is not god. Worshipping a false god is idoltry.

First of all, it would be correct to say that Jesus is deity incarnated in a human body. He is not "man" in the complete species sense of the intended meaning of that scripture.

Fast forward to the Book of Daniel, which was written at a time when the “son of man” phrase had a specific and known meaning. In the context of Daniel 7:13, where one "like a son of man" comes to the Ancient of Days (Almighty God) and is given dominion and sovereign power and universal worship of the sort that God alone possesses, the significance of Jesus' "son of man" usage cannot be overstated. It is functionally equivalent to saying that the one like a son of man is rightful heir and successor to the divine throne. "Son of man" is essentially the same as "Son of God" in this context. And if the person in Daniel 7:13-14 is only someone “like” a son of man, then it certainly implies there must be some differences. Otherwise it would say something like, “A son of man” came before the Ancient of Days.” Also, Rashi understood Daniel 7:13-14 to be Messianic, so the "son of man" must be one amazing individual in his thinking.

In addition, at the time Numbers 23:19 was written, God had not yet become man (Christ), so the statement certainly does not preclude a future incarnation.

[Believer]

Can you provide such proof for the existence of you version of god?

Besides - it is you who is making the claim of existence...this atheist does not know of any evidence to support such a claim.

As to 'proof of non-existence'...can you prove "100%, admissible in court" that Thor does not exist?

I've already stated that no one can prove God to you. Only God can prove Himself to you. As for the burden of proof being on the believer, I don't really see that to be the case. I have an actual relationship with God, that I have experienced. Many others have experienced this very same relationship with God. So to tell a believer that God does not exist is contridictory to everything they know, and would be like saying to someone your parents don't exist.

Now in my opinion the burden of proof falls on the atheist. For an atheist to say that God does not exist, they would have to have checked every section of the universe, know everything there is to know about the universe, how it was created, and how life began. They would have to have the ability to be everywhere at once. That in and of itself would make them God, thereby making their statement that God doesn't exist false.

As for Thor, no I can't prove he doesn't exist, but unlike Thor, who has become a thing of legend, Christ lives within me, and within every Christian today.

Pascal's Wager has to be about the poorest argument for belief in any deity - and one of the easiest to counter.

Hey someone else used this arguement? I'm going to sue. All kidding aside is that what you're going to tell God? "Hey um creator guy, I couldn't bring myself to believe in you because the people you sent to tell me about yourself had a bad argument." Really now do you think He'll bite?

Honestly it's not about putting fear into the atheist, it's about questioning their belief structure. Are you sure God doesn't exist, and can you prove it to yourself? If so then don't worry be happy, but if you're not sure, I'd do some more research.

I personally have searched, and found. I KNOW God exists, not because I've been brainwashed, not because I'm some dolt who doesn't know any better, but because God is as real to me as my family.

[bernee51]

Only God can prove Himself to you.

Your version of god has had plenty of opportunity to do so...and has failed.

As for the burden of proof being on the believer, I don't really see that to be the case.

Why? it is you =making the positive claim "God exists".

I have an actual relationship with God, that I have experienced.

I have no diubt you perceive your god to exist and as such have a "relationship" with the object of this perception.

Many others have experienced this very same relationship with God.

So?

For an atheist to say that God does not exist, they would have to have checked every section of the universe, know everything there is to know about the universe,...

Do married bachelors exist? Do square circles?

...how it was created,...

Why?

...and how life began.

Agian why?

As for Thor, no I can't prove he doesn't exist, but unlike Thor, who has become a thing of legend, Christ lives within me, and within every Christian today.

Your god is just another 'thing of legend' - derived prom previous belief systems.

How do you know that Thor does not live within very Thorian.

All kidding aside is that what you're going to tell God?

How do you know the god you revere is the real god and not some other supernatural being?

Honestly it's not about putting fear into the atheist, ....

Pascal's Wager is about putting fear into the christian.

Are you sure God doesn't exist, and can you prove it to yourself?

Your god? Most certainly.

As to proof. What is the answer to the question "Who am I?"

[OccamsRazor]

I'm sure there are immigration issues that Sweden and the rest of the EU has had to deal with, but in the case of the United States the 28% that I'm referring to accounts for about 80 million people. That's almost ten times the population of Sweden.

Yes but you were using percentages and I was assuming that because you were discussing economic disparity, that your figures were per capita.

Had the U.S. not had such huge defense spending, I can't imagine that there would be a free world.

Hmmm, I would have to argue about this one however the economics of US defence spending and the arguments about the US saving the world are probably not the topic here.