Where is god?

[connermt]

People say one only has to look to find god.
Some have looked and found god.
Other have looked and found nothing.
To find out why this is, we have to eliminate the variables.
Are we looking for the same god? Since god is intangible, we have to assume YES.
Therefore, god is not the variable.
Who are the ones looking for god?
The individuals.
At this point, it appears the variables are the individuals (rather it's the methods used, or the individuals, we can't say for sure) and we have to work with what we know.
This makes perfect sense, as each person is an individual. This is why ten believers in the same god can see the same issue seven different ways (or 10 different ways or even 1 way). Again, this makes sense if you look at the state of the religion:
different rules, same god
different belief, same god
different denomination, same god
different people, same god.

So, it seems, that 'god' lives in the mind of the individual. No one can prove god is 'real' and can be found here: [insert location here]. The only existing god one can pinpoint is their god that lives in their lives, or, in their mind.

So is it fair to say 'god is in the mind of the believer'? If not, can you point to where I can find god - where god physically is?
If god IS in the mind of the believer, can one truly expect another to abide by it?

[connermt]

God used to be up in the sky, just above the clouds. Elijah flew there in a fiery chariot. The tower of Babel was built to reach the heavens. Jesus ascended to heaven.
When man finally built devices to take himself above the clouds he found out there is no heaven there. When he landed on the moon and looked back on Earth he confirmed absolutely there is no heaven and no God. The Biblical image of God in Heaven was destroyed by a true tower of Babel.

It does seem heaven/god is just out of reach no matter how far one reaches.

[no1special]

[Replying to post 1 by connermt]

Are you looking for proof required to BELIEVE that God exists or proof required to KNOW that God exists .

[Zzyzx]

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[Replying to post 1 by connermt]

Are you looking for proof required to BELIEVE that God exists or proof required to KNOW that God exists .

Connermt won't be answering since s/he has long since been banned -- and the thread has been inactive approaching a year.

However, your interest perhaps deserves a response.

NO evidence is required for some to believe that gods exist. Just being told (repeatedly) by others or reaching that conclusion on one's own can be sufficient.

NO evidence is required for some to believe and clam to "know" (including those who are naive and gullible -- and those who define the term "know" very loosly.

SOME evidence is required for many to believe or "know." However, they may not require that the evidence be verifiable and/or shown to be truthful and accurate.

A LOT of verifiable evidence is required to many who use critical / analytical thinking to make a reasoned decision on matters of importance (which may include supernatural claims and stories).

[arian]

[Replying to post 1 by connermt]

Are you looking for proof required to BELIEVE that God exists or proof required to KNOW that God exists .

To 'just believe' that God/gods exist is like Z just said above, but belief without evidence and some substance is useless. So God is to be known through evidence with substance, not 'blind-faith' that religions like the Big-bang Evolutionists 'Creator' requires. There, that is 'in religion' even a fairytale like: "A long, long time ago, before time existed, there was a tiny speck of whatever residing in nothing, and suddenly Big-banged for no reason or will of anyone, creating space for itself to expand, .. er, wait, .. no, it expanded space for itself, .. yea that's better because it is still expanding space for itself in 'nothing'." is acceptable.

So you will never really get answers to your questions on religious beliefs and doctrines, only sarcasm, like: You ask all these dumb questions because you just don't understand my religion and what it really teaches? Once you accept our religion, you will no longer have any questions, you will 'believe'! So do you want to be dumb and continue to ask questions? Or do you want to be smart and just believe (what we tell you)?

[Willum]

Where is god?

Or where are we?

that they should seek the Lord, if perhaps they might reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us. 'For in him we live, and move, and have our being.' ...
Acts 17:27-28

I think if person dont see God, he dont know God or dont want to see.

Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God, and knows God. He who doesn't love doesn't know God, for God is love.
1 John 4:7-8

God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
John 4:24

Are you really presenting proof of god based on what someone else has written?

Don't you think it should be the other way 'round?

What if I wrote a book on pages of gold, buried it somewhere at random. with words of wisdom and a spurious pantheon, would people suddenly create a cult around it?

My god, I think they would!
My god, I think it's happened.

[Forgive the exacerbation, I think it effectively communicates the point better than anything dry I could have said.]

The point is: It's been 2000+ years since IeZeus (a Romanization of Jesus) was created by the Roman's to usurp the messianic religion of Israel. If it were right, something would have happened by now.

So we are left with two conclusions (about an all powerful god):
1. Either he doesn't exist, or
2. We are not doing what we are supposed to be doing, and so he is waiting for us to examine the stupid assumptions we are making and start doing what he wants.

Then he will allow us to find him again.

[Danmark]

The point is: It's been 2000+ years since IeZeus (a Romanization of Jesus) was created by the Roman's to usurp the messianic religion of Israel. If it were right, something would have happened by now.

So we are left with two conclusions (about an all powerful god):
1. Either he doesn't exist, or
2. We are not doing what we are supposed to be doing, and so he is waiting for us to examine the stupid assumptions we are making and start doing what he wants.

Then he will allow us to find him again.

What this puts me in mind of is a discussion going on at
viewtopic.php?t=26988&start=0
The Most Embarrassing Verse in the Bible

The essence of it is there are three chapters, Mark 13, Luke 21, Matthew 24 where the plain meaning of the words is that Jesus is telling people he's coming right back, within 40 years. Many Christians, including C.S. Lewis acknowledge this fact.

The fact that He is 2000 years late does not seem to phase most Christians. Rather than exploring the possibility He actually has returned, or abandoning the belief altogether is ignored. Instead impossible mental and verbal gymnastics are engaged in to deny the plain meaning of all three of those chapters.

[no1special]

[Replying to post 13 by Zzyzx]

However, your interest perhaps deserves a response.

Since you elected to respond in connermt's place perhaps you can answer my question . Proof to believe or proof to know that God exists ? The reason i am asking the question is because the creation and the Bible's account about God and creation is enough proof to believe God exists . The proof required to know God exists only He can provide when and if He wishes ( John 20:27 , Thomas saw Jesus but he did not believe until he touched ). If humans could provide undeniable proof of God's existence to others without God's help or permission it would mean that we are greater than God .

[Danmark]

[Replying to post 13 by Zzyzx]

However, your interest perhaps deserves a response.

Since you elected to respond in connermt's place perhaps you can answer my question . Proof to believe or proof to know that God exists ? The reason i am asking the question is because the creation and the Bible's account about God and creation is enough proof to believe God exists . . . .

I've been on this debate site a couple years, and in in all that time I don't think I've heard a statement that is less justified than "the Bible's account about God and creation is enough proof to believe God exists."

The creation account in Genesis even disagrees with itself, the 2d version in the 2d chapter has a different order than the version in the 1st chapter. The chapter 1 version is also internally inconsistent [vegetation before the Sun, for just one example]. The fact that this creation myth is actually Sumerian is another issue. The fact that it conflicts with the findings of scientific observation is another.

Picking this one myth out of thousands of others, as the only one that is "true" is another problem. Jesus, as recorded in Mark 13, Matthew 24, and Luke 21 predicting that the tribulation and his 2d coming should have come almost 2000 years ago is another, dead bang conclusive refutation of the whole thing. The list of reasons to reject this silliness goes on and on. Yet we have this absurd claim "the Bible's account about God and creation is enough proof to believe God exists."
You might as well claim unicorns exist because fairy tales say so.

[no1special]

[Replying to post 14 by arian]

To 'just believe' that God/gods exist is like Z just said above, but belief without evidence and some substance is useless.

Not necessarily . You remember growing up your parents told you not to play with fire ? You could believe them and not play with fire ( you do not get hurt ) or not belive them and play with fire ( you get hurt ). You can believe without evidence and some substance and it would not be useless .

[no1special]

[Replying to post 18 by Danmark]

I've been on this debate site a couple years, and in in all that time I don't think I've heard a statement that is less justified than "the Bible's account about God and creation is enough proof to believe God exists."

I said belive , not know . There is a difference . The warning on the pack of cigarets is enough proof to believe that smoking can cause lung cancer .