heaven will be boring

Wootah · Post by **Wootah** » Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:34 am

Is there any justification for the idea heaven will be boring?

has anyone had a good experience that was boring the second time because it was better?

ttruscott · Post by **ttruscott** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 1:16 pm

FarWanderer wrote: Does anything ever change in heaven??

imCo
The kingdom of heaven is within you surely must refer to a state of being, not a place. In adding up all the references to the heavenly state it seems most probable that heaven is a telepathic communion of pure loving holiness and communication between everyone in the bond, including GOD.

The marriage of the Church to GOD refers to the initiation of this state of communion which can only be instituted once all evil is eradicated from all of HIS created reality. It seems to me that in such a situation in which we inhabit resurrected spiritual bodies that are impelled by our will and not physics that the whole of created reality will be open to us to enjoy as our playground, exploring the wonders HE has created for us.

Boredom? Pffft!

Peace, Ted

sf · Post by sf » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:34 pm

FarWanderer wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Wootah]

I can't imagine it being better than this life, unless it is like this life only better.

It is. At a minimum, all the good of this life minus all of the bad. Plus more good we don't know on Earth?

sf · Post by sf » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:39 pm

OnceConvinced wrote:
Divine Insight wrote:
OnceConvinced wrote: There are only a finite number of facts to learn, so you cant keep on learning and discovering new things, which is one of the things that makes life exciting. After several billion years youll have learnt everything there is to learn and done everything there is to do. A few zillion years after that, youll just be repeating the same old stuff over and over. Youll be begging the almighty for death!
What if you aren't granted unlimited memory?

Then you'll never know that you've done the same things over again umpteen zillion times.
So God will brainwash us every few million years or so?

Let's assume that heaven and God exists outside of our concept of time and the passage thereof. If time doesn't exist in an afterlife, is it really like we're there for a million years and more or something entirely different?

Ancient of Years · Post by **Ancient of Years** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:10 pm

Here is an interesting comment from the Catholic Encyclopedia from an article on heaven.

They derive great pleasure from the contemplation of all those things, both created and possible, which, as we have shown, they see in God, at least indirectly as in the cause.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07170a.htm#VII

all those things, both created and possible? Like the missing plays of Euripides. Aeschylus and Sophocles? The full five year mission of the Enterprise? The history, philosophy and art of the race of beings in the universe most like humans. Second most like. And whatever else one can dream up?

Eternity might not be so boring after all.

FarWanderer · Post by **FarWanderer** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:12 pm

ttruscott wrote:
FarWanderer wrote: Does anything ever change in heaven??
imCo
The kingdom of heaven is within you surely must refer to a state of being, not a place. In adding up all the references to the heavenly state it seems most probable that heaven is a telepathic communion of pure loving holiness and communication between everyone in the bond, including GOD.

The marriage of the Church to GOD refers to the initiation of this state of communion which can only be instituted once all evil is eradicated from all of HIS created reality. It seems to me that in such a situation in which we inhabit resurrected spiritual bodies that are impelled by our will and not physics that the whole of created reality will be open to us to enjoy as our playground, exploring the wonders HE has created for us.

Boredom? Pffft!

Peace, Ted

As far as I can tell, you didn't answer my question.

woodsman · Post by **woodsman** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:15 am

[Replying to post 10 by ttruscott]

According to bible, faith is belief without any evidence.
Blind I guess.
Like someone you have never met placing a bag over your head on a cliff and accepting that they aren't taking you over the cliff.

I hope you wouldn't be that foolish.

Box Whatbox · Post by **Box Whatbox** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:30 am

Heaven could be the most astonishing, transcendentally beautiful experience you could possibly have, followed by a memory wipe, followed by the same experience again.
'Oh wow! An underwater castle! That's amma-a-a zing'.
Seven seconds later:
'Oh wow! an underwater castle! That's amma-a-a zing'.
Then ''Oh wow! Food sprinkling down from the sky! That's amma-a-a zing'.
Seven seconds later: 'Oh wow! an underwater castle! That's amma-a-a zing'.

My goldfish is in a heaven like that.

ttruscott · Post by **ttruscott** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 3:25 pm

woodsman wrote: [Replying to post 10 by ttruscott]

According to bible, faith is belief without any evidence.

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This contention cannot be found in the bible anywhere. It is a baseless unproven belief and a foolishness to try to use it against those who know the Bible.

Peace, Ted

Zzyzx · Post by **Zzyzx** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 6:23 pm

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ttruscott wrote:
woodsman wrote: According to bible, faith is belief without any evidence.
This contention cannot be found in the bible anywhere. It is a baseless unproven belief and a foolishness to try to use it against those who know the Bible.

Those who think they "know the bible" should be aware of:

Hebrews 11:1

New International Version
Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.

New Living Translation
Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will actually happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see.

English Standard Version
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

New American Standard Bible
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

King James Bible
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Now faith is the reality of what is hoped for, the proof of what is not seen.

International Standard Version
Now faith is the assurance that what we hope for will come about and the certainty that what we cannot see exists.

NET Bible
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for, being convinced of what we do not see.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Now faith is the conviction concerning those things that are in hope, as if it were these things in action, and the revelation of those things that are unseen;

GOD'S WORD Translation
Faith assures us of things we expect and convinces us of the existence of things we cannot see.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Faith, therefore, is the substance of things waited for, the evidence of things not seen.

King James 2000 Bible
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

American King James Version
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

That which cannot be seen (detected) is not evidence of anything. Thus, faith is belief without evidence. Hope is not evidence. Belief is not evidence.

dianaiad · Post by **dianaiad** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:33 pm

Zzyzx wrote: .
Wootah wrote: Is there any justification for the idea heaven will be boring?
No one knows about heaven other than what they have been told by others who don't know either. Anyone is free to speculate (and many consider their speculations, called beliefs, to be true and accurate).

However, if made-up descriptions might apply, "Heaven" could be like being in church that never ends and being unable to escape.

Well....Mark Twain did say something along the lines that he'd like to go to heaven for the prestige, and to hell for the company....

As for me, I was raised to believe that heaven is going to be a big challenge/adventure with eternity to learn how to deal with it. For me, I guess that would be the universe university.

I've never been able to figure out the 'sitting on a cloud playing a harp' thing.

But hey, I can't prove this. I figure I'll find out when I get there.

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