Hardcore PROOF That Jesus Is Nothing But a Retold Tale: ~~~~

astounding · Post by **astounding** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:21 pm

These video's are based nothing but on facts which you'll find yourself
if you do research.

START BY WATCHING THIS VIDEO: (You gotta download it)
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The God Who Wasn't There

The movie that has been astounding audiences in theaters around the world is now available on a high-quality, feature-packed DVD.

In this provocative, critically acclaimed documentary, you will discover:

* The early founders of Christianity seem wholly unaware of the idea of a human Jesus

* The Jesus of the Gospels bears a striking resemblance to other ancient heroes and the figureheads of pagan savior cults

* Contemporary Christians are largely ignorant of the origins of their religion

* Fundamentalism is as strong today as it ever has been, with an alarming 44% of Americans believing Jesus will return to earth in their lifetimes

Dazzling motion graphics and a sweeping soundtrack propel this uncompromising and taboo-shattering documentary that Newsweek says "irreverently lays out the case that Jesus Christ never existed."

The God Who Wasn't There includes provocative interviews with:

* Sam Harris, PEN Award-winning author of The End of Faith

* Robert M. Price, Jesus Seminar fellow and author of The Incredible Shrinking Son of Man

* Alan Dundes, Professor of Folklore at the University of California at Berkeley

* Richard Carrier, historian and author of Sense and Goodness Without God

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THEN GO ONTO WATHCING THIS PART WITH UNDISPUTABLE PROOF
THAT JESUS, THE BIBLE AND ALL OTHER RELIGIONS ARE NOTHNIG
BUT RETOLD TALES FROM THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE THEM:
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Go to http://www.youtube.com

In the search box, type in: The Truth About The Jesus Myth

There are 6 parts in total.

Start from #1 obviously then progress onto other parts.

-A

Cephus · Post by **Cephus** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:28 pm

You seem to think that people who believe are going to be swayed by any amount of evidence. They're not. They don't care if their beliefs are true or false, they cling to them irrationally regardless. You're just wasting your time if you think that film is going to help at all.

Easyrider · Post by **Easyrider** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:46 pm

This is just more Michael Moore Kool Aid stuff.

For instance, let's just take this one:

Quote: The Jesus of the Gospels bears a striking resemblance to other ancient heroes and the figureheads of pagan savior cults.

It fails in light of the following:

Pagan Savior Claims, etc.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Pagan/

Christ vs. Mithraism

http://www.tektonics.org/tekton_04_02_04_MMM.html

Guess that about does it for that video disaster.

Jesus is Lord!

astounding · Post by **astounding** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:55 pm

Cephus wrote:You seem to think that people who believe are going to be swayed by any amount of evidence. They're not. They don't care if their beliefs are true or false, they cling to them irrationally regardless. You're just wasting your time if you think that film is going to help at all.

Truer words were never spoken!!!

In fact, people will unconsiocusly want to ignore any facts or evidence when
they believe in something so strongly. Even if the evidence is right next
to their feet, they'll still make up excuses as to why they don't wanna
look at it.

What my intention is: Is someone will hopefully step out of the matrix
and see the real world. Step outside the box to consider and question what
they've believed.

Goat · Post by **Goat** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:25 pm

Cephus wrote:You seem to think that people who believe are going to be swayed by any amount of evidence. They're not. They don't care if their beliefs are true or false, they cling to them irrationally regardless. You're just wasting your time if you think that film is going to help at all.

Nor, do I think it the film 'proves' anything. The only thing you can really say is that there isn't any current evidence FOR a historical Jesus. That lack certainly lets con men prey on those who need that evidence.

Easyrider · Post by **Easyrider** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:28 pm

astounding wrote:
Cephus wrote:You seem to think that people who believe are going to be swayed by any amount of evidence. They're not. They don't care if their beliefs are true or false, they cling to them irrationally regardless. You're just wasting your time if you think that film is going to help at all.
Truer words were never spoken!!!

In fact, people will unconsiocusly want to ignore any facts or evidence when
they believe in something so strongly. Even if the evidence is right next
to their feet, they'll still make up excuses as to why they don't wanna
look at it.

What my intention is: Is someone will hopefully step out of the matrix
and see the real world. Step outside the box to consider and question what
they've believed.

Works both ways. Step outside of your box now and reexamine the wealth of historical information to Jesus, including the New Testament. Then compare it to what you've presented and you will find your video doesn't match up to real history.

p.s. The "Jesus Seminar" is just a pack of 'a priori' anti-supernaturalists who cast colored beads based on their prejudices to edit out of the Gospels anything they personally didn't want to incorporate.

"I would like to support Jim McClurkin’s use of Raymond E. Brown in his response to Dennis Maher. Brown’s “An Introduction to the New Testament” gives an even closer look at the Jesus Seminar in his Appendix I: The Historical Jesus. Brown writes, “the Seminar stands out in several ways. First, it has operated to a remarkable degree on a priori principles, some of them reflecting anti-supernatural bias. For instance, the bodily resurrection had no real chance of being accepted as having taken place. The session dealing with the authenticity of Jesus’ predictions of his passion and death was dominated by the initial refusal of most of the participants to allow the possibility that Jesus could have spoken of his impending death by virtue of “super-ordinary” powers: accordingly they voted black on eleven synoptic passion predictions. Again, almost as a principle, the eschatological character of Jesus’ ministry has been dismissed,” (Brown, 820,821). (presbyweb.com)

Easyrider · Post by **Easyrider** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:32 pm

Another false claim in the video: "The early founders of Christianity seem wholly unaware of the idea of a human Jesus.."

It used to be the claim that "The early founders of Christianity seem wholly unaware of the idea of a divine Jesus.."

Now they want to diss his humanity as well?

The Gospels and New Testament (arguably complete by 95 A.D.) tell a wholly different story, and testify to the humanity AND deity of Christ.

astounding · Post by **astounding** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:48 pm

Yes. I agree without a shadow of a doubt with the above post.

People (because of their Ego's) will always slighthly or purposefully
try to change a fact with the intention of persuading other people of
what they know or believe.

IT doesn't necessarily involve changing the whole story, but a few facts
here and there.

For example, if you have a person that totally believes in UFO's, he
will go through great extent to make his limited knowledge more
persuasive in order to make you belive what he believes.

All in all -- humans have ONE MAJOR FLAW and it's the reason
for unsettlement in various views of life and existance.

And that is: EGO

We do everything ultimately to satisfy our EGO's.

For example I probably submitted my top post because I wanted
to satisfy my ego, by realizing that if a few more people see
the video, they'll change their beliefs to: GOD is story. NOthing more.

Then someone else will reply with their opinion in order to satisfy
their ego.

That's the reason why we humans are so argumentive and can never
settle on the facts and only want to hold our own beliefs.

-A

achilles12604 · Post by **achilles12604** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:26 am

I was astounded how quickly they began to present entirely false information. By minute 2:32 they began to spread misinformation.

Dalai Lama = Lamb of God?

UH . . . . ok?

Here is how actual Buddhists translate this. This is probably because they are translating it from the original language rather than a translation of the English of the other language.

Dalai >> Ocean or peace

Lama >> Teacher

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peac ... a-bio.html

Yea, this is a lot like "The lamb of God" huh?

How much more of this is there? Must we go on?

astounding · Post by **astounding** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:01 am

You never know achilles12604,

Maybe they're basing "Lamb of God" from more sources than one.

Example:

5 sources state: Ocean or peace
20 sources state: Lamb of God

So they choose the 20 sources one.

-A