Why would God be interested in free lunches?

[QED]

Most of us are familiar with the saying "there's no such thing as a free lunch" and physics backs this up with the notion of conserved properties. The best known of these is probably energy which most schoolkids will tell us "can neither be created nor destroyed". Other example of conserved properties are electric charge and angular momentum. This jives with the idea of a provident God -- only he who has the power to break these universal rules and inject energy, charge and momentum into the unfolding universe. And what a lot of this we might imagine there to be!

But actually there isn't. All these laws of conservation hold within the universe, however they do not apply to the universe as a whole. The total mass-energy has a net sum indistinguishable from zero (when the negative contribution of gravitational potential energy is accounted for) and any imbalance in the numbers of electrons and protons would have a dramatic affect on structures of cosmic scale as the electric force is so much stronger than the force of gravity holding these structures together. If there was any net angular momentum to the universe then it would have shown as an increase in the microwave background radiation in the direction of its rotation axis. This radiation has now been measured to be the same in every direction to on part in a hundred thousand.

So why would a God with unlimited powers be so frugal? It's as though he's been down to the charity shop and blagged himself a universe for nothing. Perhaps it's the greatest testament to his ingenuity, but perhaps it's telling us something about the reason why we see the appearance of so much stuff when, with the proper accounting, it all sums to zero.

[AB]

All elements heavier that Lithium...What?? What does this have to do with our Lord? You believe in God right? or not... because of Lithium?

ok.

AB

Somebody equat Gods creation of Adam and Eve to to Stardust floating around. I was stating the stardust examples to show how rediculas that is.

As ridiculous as some creation myths are, it is impolite to point it out. Yes, it is ridiculous to deny the fact that all elements heavier than Lithium came directly from nucleosythesis in the first gen(and second)stars, we know this to be true. But, in this country it is impolite to denigrate another's religious beliefs, OK?

Grumpy

[AB]

I'm looking around, and I don't think I am stardust.
God made us in His image. Not stardust.

All elements heavier that Lithium...What?? What does this have to do with our Lord? You believe in God right? or not... because of Lithium?

ok.

AB

Somebody equat Gods creation of Adam and Eve to to Stardust floating around. I was stating the stardust examples to show how rediculas that is.

As ridiculous as some creation myths are, it is impolite to point it out. Yes, it is ridiculous to deny the fact that all elements heavier than Lithium came directly from nucleosythesis in the first gen(and second)stars, we know this to be true. But, in this country it is impolite to denigrate another's religious beliefs, OK?

Grumpy

[Goat]

I'm looking around, and I don't think I am stardust.
God made us in His image. Not stardust.

And what did he make you out of?? Stardust.

[Grumpy]

AB

All elements heavier that Lithium...What?? What does this have to do with our Lord? You believe in God right? or not... because of Lithium?

I thought you understood, all elements(including every atom in your body) was made in the nuclear furnace of some long ago star, EVERY ATOM!!!

No, there are no provable supernatural or superstitious beings. But I won't make fun of you if you believe that. Just don't confuse your superstition for science, OK???

Grumpy

[AB]

God made us out of the ground and blew His spirit into us.

Unlike all other matters, we have God's spirit in us!

[AB]

I am not making fun.

But, isn't amazing how science stilll has not disproved God?

AB

All elements heavier that Lithium...What?? What does this have to do with our Lord? You believe in God right? or not... because of Lithium?

I thought you understood, all elements(including every atom in your body) was made in the nuclear furnace of some long ago star, EVERY ATOM!!!

No, there are no provable supernatural or superstitious beings. But I won't make fun of you if you believe that. Just don't confuse your superstition for science, OK???

Grumpy

[wuntext]

But, isn't amazing how science stilll has not disproved God?

Nor has science disproved the existence of Allah, Jove, Thor, Shiva, leprechauns, or invisible wardrobe monsters. And until you actually produce some positive evidence for the existence of your god - rather relying on "you can't prove otherwise" - each and every one of the above has the same probability of existing as your particular god.

[AB]

Evidence of "my' God is the fact we are here.

Where do you think we came from? If we are not created from God, how then do you think we became?

But, isn't amazing how science stilll has not disproved God?

Nor has science disproved the existence of Allah, Jove, Thor, Shiva, leprechauns, or invisible wardrobe monsters. And until you actually produce some positive evidence for the existence of your god - rather relying on "you can't prove otherwise" - each and every one of the above has the same probability of existing as your particular god.

[wuntext]

Evidence of "my' God is the fact we are here.

Where do you think we came from? If we are not created from God, how then do you think we became?

Wrong AB! Totally and utterly wrong!

We are here because Brahma split the lotus flower into three on the order of Brahma, not your god.

See how easy it is to hold a position based on assumptions not backed with evidence?

[McCulloch]

Evidence of my God is the fact we are here.

There are a few steps missing in your analysis. It looks like this:

1. I exist
2. I cannot think of any reason for me to exist except that God made me
3. Therefore God exists.