U.S. Supreme Court upholds right to Marry in all 50 States

[Danmark]

The United States Supreme Court today held: same-sex couples
may exercise the fundamental right to marry in all 50 States.
".... No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies
the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice,
and family. In forming a marital union, two people become
something greater than once they were. As some of
the petitioners in these cases demonstrate, marriage
embodies a love that may endure even past death. It
would misunderstand these men and women to say they
disrespect the idea of marriage. Their plea is that they do
respect it, respect it so deeply that they seek to find its
fulfillment for themselves. Their hope is not to be condemned
to live in loneliness, excluded from one of civilizations
oldest institutions. They ask for equal dignity in the
eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right."

Question for debate: Is this decision, and its rationale, consistent with the teachings of Jesus to be loving, faithful, understanding, and tolerant?

[Hatuey]

[Replying to post 7 by Danmark]

Scalia's arguments could be used against any Supreme Court decision at all. It seems odd that he didn't notice that in his fervency to be on record as dissenting. Perhaps it's more political maneuvering??

[OpenYourEyes]

Question for debate: Is this decision, and its rationale, consistent with the teachings of Jesus to be loving, faithful, understanding, and tolerant?

No. The same way we are not to be tolerant to polygamists, pedophiles, incest couples who sooner or later will be knocking on SCOTUS's door. All of these are sins just as same-sex behavior is and there comes a point when a nation's sins reaches a critical point in God's eyes, hence Sodom and Gomorrah.

Are many gays really interested in a monogamous marriage till death? Not from what Ive seen - just look at the sexually charged gay pride parades. The real agenda is to get 'acceptance' and benefits.

[Haven]

No. The same way we are not to be tolerant to polygamists, pedophiles, incest couples who sooner or later will be knocking on SCOTUS's door. All of these are sins just as same-sex behavior is and there comes a point when a nation's sins reaches a critical point in God's eyes, hence Sodom and Gomorrah.

Are many gays really interested in a monogamous marriage till death? Not from what Ive seen - just look at the sexually charged gay pride parades. The real agenda is to get 'acceptance' and benefits.

Ignoring the fact that, according to the author of Ezekiel, Sodom and Gomorrah had nothing to do with homosexuality . . .

Assuming your god exists, why do you think he would judge this country for marriage equality?

After all, he seemed to be just fine with America's mass genocide against Native Americans, the slave trade, slavery (and all the rape and torture that went along with it), Jim Crow segregation and racial terrorism, the treating of women as property, internment of Americans of Japanese descent in concentration camps, and several ridiculous wars entered into over false pretenses.

No divine judgments came for those actions, but you think that your god will unleash all hell because the Supreme Court upheld the fact that the 14th Amendment requiring equal protection under the law applies to us "evil" queers, too. Really? Really?!!

[Zzyzx]

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No. The same way we are not to be tolerant to polygamists, pedophiles, incest couples who sooner or later will be knocking on SCOTUS's door. All of these are sins just as same-sex behavior is and there comes a point when a nation's sins reaches a critical point in God's eyes, hence Sodom and Gomorrah.

Are many gays really interested in a monogamous marriage till death? Not from what Ive seen - just look at the sexually charged gay pride parades. The real agenda is to get 'acceptance' and benefits.

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[Hatuey]

[Replying to OpenYourEyes]

If Christians were as worried about divorce, eating shellfish, and wearing fabrics made of two types of cloth as they are about homosexuality, I'd grant them the point that at least they aren't total hypocrites. But as it is, I'll just continue with my curious anti shellfish eating parades.

[Korah]

[Replying to post 15 by Hatuey]
Hey, you're not going to get any argument from me.
I woke up this morning with a migraine, but it's gotten so much worse that I suppose SCOTUS has to take the blame. I'll pass on commenting.

[Jashwell]

[Replying to post 1 by Danmark]

I agree with their decision to allow homosexual marriage, but I don't agree with much else. The following is a list of points I don't believe are universally true.

- No union is more profound than marriage
- Marriage embodies [...] love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family
- The highest ideals [are] love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice and family
- In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were

[Danmark]

[Replying to post 1 by Danmark]

I agree with their decision to allow homosexual marriage, but I don't agree with much else. The following is a list of points I don't believe are universally true.

- No union is more profound than marriage
- Marriage embodies [...] love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family
- The highest ideals [are] love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice and family
- In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were

I agree. They are not universally true. They are ideals that I suppose are chiefly espoused by, but not limited to, certain religious traditions.

[OpenYourEyes]

[Replying to OpenYourEyes]

If Christians were as worried about divorce, eating shellfish, and wearing fabrics made of two types of cloth as they are about homosexuality, I'd grant them the point that at least they aren't total hypocrites. But as it is, I'll just continue with my curious anti shellfish eating parades.

Haven and Hautey, just so you know why I will not respond to your posts addressed to me...

I can't continue my discussion here because expressing Christian beliefs on the matter can be a violation. Simply saying that Jesus would not tolerate the behavior just as he would not tolerate other sinful offenses, eatting shellfish included, gets me into problems here.

[bluethread]

[Replying to OpenYourEyes]

If Christians were as worried about divorce, eating shellfish, and wearing fabrics made of two types of cloth as they are about homosexuality, I'd grant them the point that at least they aren't total hypocrites. But as it is, I'll just continue with my curious anti shellfish eating parades.

Though I do not take the title of Christian, I thank you for only partially insulting those of us who live a Torah submissive life style. Let me return the favor by saying that I grant that people who recognize the consistency of a Torah submissive lifestyle are not totally ignorant.