Why won't God convince atheists?

[Hatuey]

Many atheists are so for valid and defendable reasons. Why would a punishing deity choose not to make himself known to reasonable people who do not believe he exists?

A decent god would know how to convince decent people to believe and care for him as he cared for those decent people.

What sort of god doesn't care to convince sensible people that he exists?

[Blastcat]

We obviously aren't going to advance this discussion. That's too bad. For the some of you that think, indeed we are smart enough to 'reason' God, think about the average person only 150years ago trying to 'reason' the internet.

You say you cannot "reason" God, and yet use your reasoning to know that we can't do that. How did you "reason" this out?

Or is this yet another unreasoned comment?
If you are using your reason when discussion god, don't pretend that you aren't.

If you arent using your reasoning for your claims about god, then you admit that your beliefs aren't based on reason.

Apologetics is about giving good reasons for a belief in God. So much for apologetics, then. You cannot reason god. Therefore, your belief in God is unreasonable.

You all understand that if God is real he created the universe, everything in it, and all the 'potential' there in.

No we don't. We would have to have a good reason to believe in a god, and you just said we can't have one. I don't believe in ANYTHING without a good reason. So, no, we don't believe in your creator GOD.....until we DO get a good reason to do so.

Of course, there are plenty of BAD reasons to believe in gods....

It is estimated that our kind at this point in time may grasp 5% of what may be all knowledge that we are capable of.

Ah.. mere speculation. Let's say that humans don't know everything. I think everyone can agree on that.

So, philosophy, based on scientific truth could be the best path to God.

Sure, sounds perfectly reasonable. Bring the "scientific truth" that demonstrates a god.. we wont need TOO much philosophy after that.

Do you believe that there is alien life? pretty much same school of thought.

Pretty much. We can't believe in alien life until we have some kind of evidence or proof. Speculation is fun. .. but speculation does not replace facts. But even IF we get evidence for alien life.. that would not lend support to the god hypothesis one bit. Not sure why you bring that up. Apples and oranges. Unless our aliens are gods.

[AtheistAgent]

I would certainly prefer a lack of free will over an eternity of burning in the lake of fire.

Come on god HOOK ME UP!!!!!!

[rbarton]

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You all seem to be like the person that does not listen when the other person is talking only to chime in with his unrelated two cents when the speaker pauses to take a breath! I cannot respond to so much redundancy. You all have many like thinking wonders to keep you all cozy and warm.

[Danmark]

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You all seem to be like the person that does not listen when the other person is talking only to chime in with his unrelated two cents when the speaker pauses to take a breath! I cannot respond to so much redundancy. You all have many like thinking wonders to keep you all cozy and warm.

What is your point? I see nothing in this post that relates to the OP.

[rbarton]

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You all seem to be like the person that does not listen when the other person is talking only to chime in with his unrelated two cents when the speaker pauses to take a breath! I cannot respond to so much redundancy. You all have many like thinking wonders to keep you all cozy and warm.

What is your point? I see nothing in this post that relates to the OP.

Really?

[Blastcat]

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You all seem to be like the person that does not listen when the other person is talking only to chime in with his unrelated two cents when the speaker pauses to take a breath! I cannot respond to so much redundancy. You all have many like thinking wonders to keep you all cozy and warm.

You most certainly don't have to answer any of my questions.

[Elijah John]

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You all seem to be like the person that does not listen when the other person is talking only to chime in with his unrelated two cents when the speaker pauses to take a breath! I cannot respond to so much redundancy. You all have many like thinking wonders to keep you all cozy and warm.

You most certainly don't have to answer any of my questions.

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[Blastcat]

[Replying to Blastcat]

Quick note on Strobel.

His reading is extremely poor and his arguments are easily refuted. His logic is such that it only appeals to Christians who are looking for confirmation without really considering any of the common arguments against theism.

Lee, "I don't have enough faith" Strobel?

That book is textbook logic fail. As soon as he states that ATHEISTS use faith.. or have faith.. IN ... something.. wow... And to happily make that the TITLE of his book?

Steve Shives has a very entertaining video critique of the book from an atheist's point of view.

[PghPanther]

[Replying to Hatuey]

Yeah I have a bad habit in doing that...................oops!

But I'm glad you see my point. So let me try here without the grammatical jigsaw.

So here's another one.

For the Christian the claim is salvation through Christ and Christ only. So if you raise a child as a Christian and they deny or reject such salvation and end up dying before you as a parent die and you know on their death bed your child never accepted Christ do you get to live the rest of your life in mental anguish knowing your child is burning in hell?

Or when you die and go to heaven where all tears are wiped away are you given a spiritual lobotomy from your memory on Earth of your child's existence so you aren't aware of their suffering in hell while you are in heaven?

Or does a window from heaven allow you to relish and rejoice in the pain of the damned as some interpret from scriptures?

Seems like a bad deal around for everyone saved or not.

It has occurred to me that an inspired and directed canon of scriptures into a Bible would have covered the bases in such nonsensical theological snafus if it had any divine guidance behind it.

As it is, the Christian faith has had centuries to put this all together and they still can't get a consistent or logical theology out of it all.

That is some revelation by some personal God there. Sounds just like if the stuff was all made up by superstitious ignorant humans to me.

The 'christian hell' is neither biblical, nor of love, nor of God and Christ, nor real.

Because what you state above is accurate: who in the world could have any peace in this world or the next, knowing that your loved ones are burning in hell? From what is written (even though the christian hell does not come from what is written, but rather what has been extrapolated from what is written, based on traditions of men and a lack of knowing God/love):

Noah acting in his faith saved his entire family.

Rahab acting in her faith saved her entire family.

The blood of the lamb on the doorposts in Egypt caused Death (the Destroyer) to pass over the entire house, saving everyone IN that house. Even the Egyptian houses if the Egyptians had exercised faith in Jah instead of in Pharaoh.


This is as my Lord has revealed to me (and not only to me of course). But these things that are written serve as examples so that anyone can see - as well as hear - that we do not have to be afraid for our loved ones. True, our loved ones may not all be in Christ, and so may not be Christian, and so may not rule with Him as king-priests in His Kingdom, but the sheep (from the sheep and the goats parable) are also not Christian, and they are invited into the Kingdom, as subjects of that Kingdom.



So... yeah... no hell. That would be, as you have said, a bad deal for everyone.


Peace to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Wow Tam...........no hell?

Would you consider yourself a universalist then?...........or if a person is not saved does their soul then just stop existing like before they were born? (seems theology teaches they are eternal so what would happen to them?)

I would find many Christian's claiming Holy Spirit revelation in direct contrast with this view...............please explain further when you get a chance.

Thanks.....

[Faithful One]

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Many atheists are so for valid and defendable reasons. Why would a punishing deity choose not to make himself known to reasonable people who do not believe he exists?

A decent god would know how to convince decent people to believe and care for him as he cared for those decent people.

What sort of god doesn't care to convince sensible people that he exists?

Do you think one should have to " convince " another to care for them ? You do understand what this would breed , do you not ?