Does God exist?

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Does God exist? What reasons are there to believe that God is real?


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This thread used to be called "Does God exist or not?"
I have renamed this thread to be "Does God exist?"
Another thread has been created to discuss God's nonexistence, "Disproving God".

[The Hungry Atheist]

Umm, any chance you could tell us a bit more about these items? Doesn't "greater is he that doesn't see and still believes than he who has seen" sound like a cop-out excuse for a lack of real evidence to anyone else? Wouldn't it be unnecessary to make claims like that if the available evidence actually did indicate the truth of the Bible and the existence of God?

[kimberly5699]

I believe that what that quote in the bible is saying is that greater are the people that haven't seen Jesus and believe than the people who were around Jesus and did see him. It is easy to believe in something you can see but it requires faith to believe in something you can't physically see with your eyes. I don't think that it is a copout excuse, everyone is entitled to an opinion and everyone has "free-will". The Bible has been around for years and is very accurate. The bible was inspired by God and written by man.

Umm, any chance you could tell us a bit more about these items? Doesn't "greater is he that doesn't see and still believes than he who has seen" sound like a cop-out excuse for a lack of real evidence to anyone else? Wouldn't it be unnecessary to make claims like that if the available evidence actually did indicate the truth of the Bible and the existence of God?

[concerro]

There are historical (tangible) items that have been found to prove that Jesus did exist. Jesus was God in The flesh, while it is natural to demand to see with our eyes the Bible clearly states greater is he that doesn't see and still believes than he who has seen. Take a look around you at the beautiful things on this earth, they were created by God. Everything in this world is in perfect balance and there is order in everything, it is the same with the Bible. The Bible is the oldest document that absolutely 100% proves the existence of God.

That is an appeal to emotion not logic. That wont get you anywhere with the agnostic and atheist on this site. Dont try to use the bible because we will point to errors and contradictions in a book that is supposed to be perfect and tell you how it is more proof that a God or at least the Christian God probably does not exist.

[kimberly5699]

This is not an appeal to emotion it is logic. Everything in the world operates in order and balance just the way God created it. If you can point out errors in the bible, I am very interested in hearing all of them.
My question to you would be, who do you think created the universe?

There are historical (tangible) items that have been found to prove that Jesus did exist. Jesus was God in The flesh, while it is natural to demand to see with our eyes the Bible clearly states greater is he that doesn't see and still believes than he who has seen. Take a look around you at the beautiful things on this earth, they were created by God. Everything in this world is in perfect balance and there is order in everything, it is the same with the Bible. The Bible is the oldest document that absolutely 100% proves the existence of God.

That is an appeal to emotion not logic. That wont get you anywhere with the agnostic and atheist on this site. Dont try to use the bible because we will point to errors and contradictions in a book that is supposed to be perfect and tell you how it is more proof that a God or at least the Christian God probably does not exist.

[concerro]

I believe that what that quote in the bible is saying is that greater are the people that haven't seen Jesus and believe than the people who were around Jesus and did see him. It is easy to believe in something you can see but it requires faith to believe in something you can't physically see with your eyes. I don't think that it is a copout excuse, everyone is entitled to an opinion and everyone has "free-will". The Bible has been around for years and is very accurate. The bible was inspired by God and written by man.

Umm, any chance you could tell us a bit more about these items? Doesn't "greater is he that doesn't see and still believes than he who has seen" sound like a cop-out excuse for a lack of real evidence to anyone else? Wouldn't it be unnecessary to make claims like that if the available evidence actually did indicate the truth of the Bible and the existence of God?

I dont understand the point you are trying to make

[kimberly5699]

The point is it is easy to believe in something that you can see or put your hands on but it requires faith to believe in something that you can't see. It was easy for people to believe in Jesus when they were with him on earth and saw him in the flesh. Those of us that believe in him now do not have the luxury of seeing him with our eyes in the flesh yet we still believe. You don't have to see something to believe in it. What is it exactly that you believe in?

I believe that what that quote in the bible is saying is that greater are the people that haven't seen Jesus and believe than the people who were around Jesus and did see him. It is easy to believe in something you can see but it requires faith to believe in something you can't physically see with your eyes. I don't think that it is a copout excuse, everyone is entitled to an opinion and everyone has "free-will". The Bible has been around for years and is very accurate. The bible was inspired by God and written by man.

Umm, any chance you could tell us a bit more about these items? Doesn't "greater is he that doesn't see and still believes than he who has seen" sound like a cop-out excuse for a lack of real evidence to anyone else? Wouldn't it be unnecessary to make claims like that if the available evidence actually did indicate the truth of the Bible and the existence of God?

I dont understand the point you are trying to make

[concerro]

The point is it is easy to believe in something that you can see or put your hands on but it requires faith to believe in something that you can't see. It was easy for people to believe in Jesus when they were with him on earth and saw him in the flesh. Those of us that believe in him now do not have the luxury of seeing him with our eyes in the flesh yet we still believe. You don't have to see something to believe in it. What is it exactly that you believe in?

I believe that what that quote in the bible is saying is that greater are the people that haven't seen Jesus and believe than the people who were around Jesus and did see him. It is easy to believe in something you can see but it requires faith to believe in something you can't physically see with your eyes. I don't think that it is a copout excuse, everyone is entitled to an opinion and everyone has "free-will". The Bible has been around for years and is very accurate. The bible was inspired by God and written by man.

Umm, any chance you could tell us a bit more about these items? Doesn't "greater is he that doesn't see and still believes than he who has seen" sound like a cop-out excuse for a lack of real evidence to anyone else? Wouldn't it be unnecessary to make claims like that if the available evidence actually did indicate the truth of the Bible and the existence of God?

I dont understand the point you are trying to make

I beleive that if he were really doing all those miracles and he said he was backed by a God that he would not have been touched. I am a hard skeptic but when I see someone walk on water and I am sure I have not been drugged I will know to leave that person alone. I also beleive that if God existed he would have been able to write a book that made enough sense that I would beleive it and he could manifest himself in such a way that everyone could beleive without a doubt. I also beleive that if the bible was as accurate as most christians say it is then its meaning would be clear and there would not be so many denominations.

[concerro]

This is not an appeal to emotion it is logic. Everything in the world operates in order and balance just the way God created it. If you can point out errors in the bible, I am very interested in hearing all of them.
My question to you would be, who do you think created the universe?

There are historical (tangible) items that have been found to prove that Jesus did exist. Jesus was God in The flesh, while it is natural to demand to see with our eyes the Bible clearly states greater is he that doesn't see and still believes than he who has seen. Take a look around you at the beautiful things on this earth, they were created by God. Everything in this world is in perfect balance and there is order in everything, it is the same with the Bible. The Bible is the oldest document that absolutely 100% proves the existence of God.

That is an appeal to emotion not logic. That wont get you anywhere with the agnostic and atheist on this site. Dont try to use the bible because we will point to errors and contradictions in a book that is supposed to be perfect and tell you how it is more proof that a God or at least the Christian God probably does not exist.

Asking me who created the universe is like asking how did God come into existence. I could no more answer your question than you could answer mine. Also define what you mean by order and balance

[kimberly5699]

The point is it is easy to believe in something that you can see or put your hands on but it requires faith to believe in something that you can't see. It was easy for people to believe in Jesus when they were with him on earth and saw him in the flesh. Those of us that believe in him now do not have the luxury of seeing him with our eyes in the flesh yet we still believe. You don't have to see something to believe in it. What is it exactly that you believe in?

I believe that what that quote in the bible is saying is that greater are the people that haven't seen Jesus and believe than the people who were around Jesus and did see him. It is easy to believe in something you can see but it requires faith to believe in something you can't physically see with your eyes. I don't think that it is a copout excuse, everyone is entitled to an opinion and everyone has "free-will". The Bible has been around for years and is very accurate. The bible was inspired by God and written by man.

Umm, any chance you could tell us a bit more about these items? Doesn't "greater is he that doesn't see and still believes than he who has seen" sound like a cop-out excuse for a lack of real evidence to anyone else? Wouldn't it be unnecessary to make claims like that if the available evidence actually did indicate the truth of the Bible and the existence of God?

I dont understand the point you are trying to make

I beleive that if he were really doing all those miracles and he said he was backed by a God that he would not have been touched. I am a hard skeptic but when I see someone walk on water and I am sure I have not been drugged I will know to leave that person alone. I also beleive that if God existed he would have been able to write a book that made enough sense that I would beleive it and he could manifest himself in such a way that everyone could beleive without a doubt. I also beleive that if the bible was as accurate as most christians say it is then its meaning would be clear and there would not be so many denominations.[/quot

There are so many denominations because people take certain portions fo the bible that they believe in and form a religion without taking in the entire context of the bible. Christianity is the only religion that believes the bible in it's entire context. I think the bible make perfect sense it is us who complicates it. What is it that you find so confusing about the bible?

[The Hungry Atheist]

What is it that you find so confusing about the bible?

One thing I find confusing is how many of the things it says seem to clash dramatically with our other observations of the world. Actually, I don't find that confusing, I have a very simple explanation for such discrepancies.

If you don't mind me backing up for a sec...

The point is it is easy to believe in something that you can see or put your hands on but it requires faith to believe in something that you can't see... You don't have to see something to believe in it. What is it exactly that you believe in?

I believe in a number of things that I can't see. I'm pretty sure that the air exists, because I can feel it blowing on me sometimes when I'm outside. I'm pretty certain that X-rays exist, because even though I can't feel or perceive them directly in any way, I don't know how else the doctors would get all those pictures of what my bones look like. So although I can't see God, I'd still be willing to believe that he exists, if there was some similar kind of evidence presented to me. And it wouldn't require faith to do so, were that the case.

For the sake of argument, I believe in the almighty Invisible Pink Unicorns, who created the Universe and who watch over us all. Their holy book also claims that those who have faith in Them are greater than those who have seen, or something along those lines. Their book also talks about the origins of the Universe in what we refer to as the Big Bang, and accurately describes a number of scientifically-verified descriptions of observable phenomena in the Universe. There's no evidence for their existence or the genuine authorship of the book, but we both seem to agree that this just makes me even greater!

So where's the flaw in my belief system here?