Donald Trump has exposed 'evangelical' voters

[Danmark]

I was raised as an evangelical. I WAS an evangelical. It is clear that Trump is not an authentic evangelical; he knows next to nothing about the Bible and has lived and continues to live and promote a lifestyle that is antithetical to evangelical Christianity.
Yet he is doing very well, better than any other Republican candidate, among evangelicals.

My conclusion is that evangelicals care much more about secular politics than about true Christian values. Has Trump support among 'evangelicals' exposed the fact the 'evangelical voting block' is not based on Christian values, but on secular political values?

[Danmark]

[Replying to post 69 by Danmark]

I can understand why it's troubling. It's not an easy thing for me to stand where I do on the subject because no matter what it is somewhat offensive. 911 hit close to me and I knew an attack was coming and predicted it to a few friends. It's very much like Catholic bashing where there's a lot of that going around. It really isn't anti-American. The Constitution isn't a perfect document and neither is any translation of the bible other than the original manuscripts.

The problem is that Islam isn't 'just' a religion. I say it's more a political ideology disguised as a religion. We should not allow Islam to flourish in this country any more than we should allow the Nazi party to take hold. Islam has murdered more Christians in the last 15 years "than in all of history." In the Sudan between 98-99, more than 5,000 villages were destroyed over 15,000 churches were burned. And the list of terror attacks since 911 is astounding, many of which in Northern Africa went unreported. If you saw the list of Islamic wars since it's inception you would be amazed.

When Mohammad started having visions and hearing voices, his religion went nowhere and had a following of only about 100 people after 15 or so years. That is until he started converting by the sword. He and his hoards tried three times to take out Mecca and finally did it. A hundred years after Islam began, it was powerful enough to have taken large amounts of territory. Many say had it not been for Charles Martel, all of Europe would have fallen to Islam.

That's why Constitutionalist scare me. The "freedom of religion" clause needs to be amended.

I'm hoping that I'm wrong about my prediction. And it's only a prediction and not a very nice one to predict. Have you ever heard of the "American Hiroshima" by the way?

Little of what you wrote cannot be likened to the other Abrahamic religions. Ban one, ban them all, but this is directly opposed to what our nation stands for. As I wrote on the other Trump subtopic:

"UnAmerican" admittedly is in the eye of the beholder, but I would claim the core of our values are contained in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, and tho' more debatable, in the Federalist Papers.

For me, what is at the core of American values are the things enshrined in the 1st Amendment, which can be summed as 'The right to freedom of thought and its free expression.' Upon this axiom all our other rights and liberties depend. Trump has plainly announced he dos not believe this. He wants to rewrite the 1st Amendment to exclude muslims and to stifle the press. When he makes broad, sweeping polemics at 'Mexicans,' and Muslims, and 'losers, he is proclaiming his unAmerican agenda. I careful reading of Mein Kampf demonstrates how closely the Trumpster follows Hitler.

The Germans were warned. Trump has warned us.
I find it sadly laughable and naive in the extreme that people are actually following a man who proudly tells them HE is one of those who abused the system for his personal gain, yet he will curb the very pack of thieves he is part of. The most dangerous part of Donald Trump is that he appears to have no core values outside of self interest and the amassing of a fortune.'

[Danmark]

[Replying to post 70 by Black Sheep]

Also check out http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 497#771497 and post #51. Much that is in the Bible shocks the conscience and when read by Christians, believing it is from from the Quran, they are surprised to read such violent garbage comes from their own Bible.

A broad brushed rejection of Islam rejects Christianity as well.
Some of Christianity's past sins:
http://www.badnewsaboutchristianity.com/gab_racism.htm

I suggest Trumpsters take an honest look at the history of Christianity and the Crusades before they are so quick to throw stones from their glass houses, and abandon the Constitution to supplant it with Trumpian demagoguery.

[Black Sheep]

[Replying to post 71 by Danmark]

Well over a million Muslim refugees have entered Germany in the last few years, and now they really have their problems. Germans are leaving the country like it's a plague ever since for several reason which I hope you're familiar with.

Trumps popularity is proof that over half of Republican voters are tired of Washington and don't trust their politicians anymore. It was in the news today. Europe is now lost to Islam. America will soon be if we don't do something soon, if it isn't already.

[Black Sheep]

I suggest Trumpsters take an honest look at the history of Christianity and the Crusades before they are so quick to throw stones from their glass houses, and abandon the Constitution to supplant it with Trumpian demagoguery.

Maybe you should look at the Crusades. If it weren't for them the world would be lost to Islam. The second round began because Muslims were destroying some of the holy sites in Israel. Have you noticed? Christians or Rome haven't been committing the abominations of the Earth for centuries. They've snapped out of it. These days Christians are being Crucified, mass murdered, burned to death, having their heads cut off, their eyes plucked out, being forced to watch their own children be crucified or beheaded...and so much more. Have you ever gone to the Voice of the Martyrs website? What about Clarion?

http://www.clarionproject.org/news/dist ... -very-soon[/url]

She executed five women including a doctor who refused to take care of ISIS fighters who were injured during an coalition air strike...

http://www.clarionproject.org/news/12-y ... amic-state

Islamic State Sends Hit Squads to Target Christian Refugees

http://www.clarionproject.org/news/isis ... n-refugees

http://www.clarionproject.org/news/us-i ... lty-attack

A few months ago a Christian man was being forced to convert or they would cut his sons fingertips off. The man wouldn't convert, the son lost his fingertips, and they both ended up getting crucified. Want the link?

In the last 30 days there were 141 terror attacks in 23 countries with 1580 people killed and 1673 people injured, 28 of which were suicide blast. Here is a list of those attacks...

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attac ... ?Yr=Last30

Now you show me the attacks Christians committed in the last 30 days, 30 months, or 30 years!

Listen to the words spoken in 2 Baruch 48:37, a book that should be in the bible, in relevance to Muslim's engaged in terrorism. What an accurate description!

"Envy shall rise in those who had no though of themselves, and passion shall rise in him who was peaceful. Many shall be stirred up in anger to injure many, and they shall rouse up all men in order to shed blood, and in the end they will all perish together."

2 Baruch 70:2-8 say's,

"They shall hate one another," and they shall provoke one another to fight. Some of them shall fall in battle, and some of them shall perish in anguish, and some of them shall be destroyed by their own."

Islam and terrorism are prophesied throughout the bible.

[Danmark]

[Replying to post 71 by Danmark]

Well over a million Muslim refugees have entered Germany in the last few years, and now they really have their problems. Germans are leaving the country like it's a plague ever since for several reason which I hope you're familiar with.

Trumps popularity is proof that over half of Republican voters are tired of Washington and don't trust their politicians anymore. It was in the news today. Europe is now lost to Islam. America will soon be if we don't do something soon, if it isn't already.

I expect most Muslims emigrating are fleeing Islamic extremism. Certainly no country should accept more refugees than it can accomodate. That some nationals throw up their hands and flee their countries because they are overwhelmed by irrational fear, means nothing except they indulge in unwarranted panic. They are the victims of their own fears.

Trump's popularity proves nothing other than the dumbing down of America and the susceptibility some have to the fear mongering of the demagogue. This country IS great already. It has always been great. But it may be ruined by defeatists like Trump who prey on the fears of the uninformed. I'm vacationing on the cheap in Mexico at the moment. I'm surrounded by many wonderful people, Mexicans and Canadians and Americans and living on a fraction of what it would cost me in the States. I may just stay. If the angry mob has its way, I will.

[Danmark]

I suggest Trumpsters take an honest look at the history of Christianity and the Crusades before they are so quick to throw stones from their glass houses, and abandon the Constitution to supplant it with Trumpian demagoguery.

Maybe you should look at the Crusades. If it weren't for them the world would be lost to Islam. The second round began because Muslims were destroying some of the holy sites in Israel. Have you noticed? Christians or Rome haven't been committing the abominations of the Earth for centuries. They've snapped out of it. These days Christians are being Crucified, mass murdered, burned to death, having their heads cut off, their eyes plucked out, being forced to watch their own children be crucified or beheaded...and so much more. Have you ever gone to the Voice of the Martyrs website? What about Clarion?

http://www.clarionproject.org/news/dist ... -very-soon[/url]

She executed five women including a doctor who refused to take care of ISIS fighters who were injured during an coalition air strike...

http://www.clarionproject.org/news/12-y ... amic-state

Islamic State Sends Hit Squads to Target Christian Refugees

http://www.clarionproject.org/news/isis ... n-refugees

http://www.clarionproject.org/news/us-i ... lty-attack

A few months ago a Christian man was being forced to convert or they would cut his sons fingertips off. The man wouldn't convert, the son lost his fingertips, and they both ended up getting crucified. Want the link?

In the last 30 days there were 141 terror attacks in 23 countries with 1580 people killed and 1673 people injured, 28 of which were suicide blast. Here is a list of those attacks...

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attac ... ?Yr=Last30

Now you show me the attacks Christians committed in the last 30 days, 30 months, or 30 years!

Listen to the words spoken in 2 Baruch 48:37, a book that should be in the bible, in relevance to Muslim's engaged in terrorism. What an accurate description!

"Envy shall rise in those who had no though of themselves, and passion shall rise in him who was peaceful. Many shall be stirred up in anger to injure many, and they shall rouse up all men in order to shed blood, and in the end they will all perish together."

2 Baruch 70:2-8 say's,

"They shall hate one another," and they shall provoke one another to fight. Some of them shall fall in battle, and some of them shall perish in anguish, and some of them shall be destroyed by their own."

Islam and terrorism are prophesied throughout the bible.

The Bible is not authority. The Bible is not the "Word of God" The 'Old' Testament is merely the record of a tribal people chronicling the tribal God they made up to justify land grabs and genocide.

If I had my way all 'holy sites' of all Abrahamic religions would disappear overnight. If there really were an actual 'God' who looked down and saw all this anger and savagery perpetrated in 'his' name, that is what 'he' would do. The fact these absurd shrines, these testaments to false teaching, still exist is great evidence there is no god.

[Black Sheep]

[Replying to post 76 by Danmark]

This is written off as coincidence because you're an unbeliever. I suppose it's coincidence that 'suicide bombers,' the very people Trump wants to keep out of America, are mentioned in God's Word...

"And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire... (suicide vest)
The word for breastplates is the word 'thorax' and were held by straps that went over the shoulders or around the neck.

"...and of jacinth," (dark red)...

From Vines....
Jacinth:
signifies "hyacinthine," perhaps primarily having the color of the hyacinth. Some regard its color as that of the martagon lily, a dusky red. According to Swete, the word 'jacinth' in Rev 9:17 is, "doubtless meant to describe the blue smoke of a sulphurous flame."

"...and brimstone:...." sparks and explosion. This is the only place the word 'brimstone' or Strong's #2306 is used in the NT. Strong's #2306 comes from 2303 and says, "in its original sense of "flashing."

"...and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; (Babylonians) and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone."

And coincidence Islamic terrorism, their form of worship, and ultimate goal of world domination, ARE ALL MENTIONED IN ONE VERSE!

They shall come all for violence: their faces shall sup up as the east wind and they shall gather the captivity as the sand.

[Danmark]

[Replying to post 76 by Danmark]

This is written off as coincidence because you're an unbeliever. I suppose it's coincidence that 'suicide bombers,' the very people Trump wants to keep out of America, are mentioned in God's Word...

"And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire... (suicide vest)
The word for breastplates is the word 'thorax' and were held by straps that went over the shoulders or around the neck.

"...and of jacinth," (dark red)...

From Vines....
Jacinth:
signifies "hyacinthine," perhaps primarily having the color of the hyacinth. Some regard its color as that of the martagon lily, a dusky red. According to Swete, the word 'jacinth' in Rev 9:17 is, "doubtless meant to describe the blue smoke of a sulphurous flame."

"...and brimstone:...." sparks and explosion. This is the only place the word 'brimstone' or Strong's #2306 is used in the NT. Strong's #2306 comes from 2303 and says, "in its original sense of "flashing."

"...and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; (Babylonians) and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone."

And coincidence Islamic terrorism, their form of worship, and ultimate goal of world domination, ARE ALL MENTIONED IN ONE VERSE!

They shall come all for violence: their faces shall sup up as the east wind and they shall gather the captivity as the sand.

Ahhh.... I see. You interpret everything thru the eyepiece of some psychotic vision or dream of a mystic or two. 'Nuff said.

Do you have any rational response based on actual facts?
Can you name a single plan of Trump's that is specific?

BTW, "I'll build a wall;"
"I'll make America great again;"
"Everyone but me is a loser;"
are not specific plans. They are the slogans of a demagogue.

What specifics does Trump promise that you like?

"Kick out the [strike]Jews[/strike] Muslims?
"[strike]Jews[/strike] Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers, tho' I suppose some may be good people... maybe?"

Trump has told us who he is. People either like who he is and are like him, or they are not listening to him.

[Black Sheep]

[Replying to post 78 by Danmark]

Ahhh.... I see. You interpret everything thru the eyepiece of some psychotic vision or dream of a mystic or two. 'Nuff said.

I know it. Muhammad started his religion shortly after he was hearing voices and having dreams and visions. Muhammad was the false prophet of a false god. The One True God speaks to His creation in close to the same way...among a few other things. Deciphering the difference isn't that difficult either. You just have to believe in the 'spirit world' that keeps everything spinning in your head.

Do you have any rational response based on actual facts?

Yes. Probably as rational as yours. The facts are Habakkuk 1 is unfulfilled prophecy and perfectly describes Islamic terrorism, their form of worship, and ultimate goal of world domination ALL IN ONE VERSE! The bible is a history book that proves the power of God's foreknowledge through fulfilled prophecy. I'm showing you a prophecy that's in the process of fulfilment. You won't believe that, and lots of Christians miss it too.

Take a look.

http://www.blacksheepprophecies.com/isl ... akkuk.html

[Black Sheep]

Can you name a single plan of Trump's that is specific?

Yes. Close the borders and tax imports from Mexico to fund the construction of a wall. If anyone can build one he can. He has a lot of lawyers, knows all the loopholes, and admits he can close them even to his expense. He's smart enough to ask advice and know who's best qualified for appointed positions.

I know Trump is a borderline nutcase. But so are some politicians and even many Americans who are tired of Washington. Hey, we live in a country where many hold a bible in one hand crying abortion, and hold a gun in their other saying guns don't kill people after the Newtown, CT. shootings.

Most politicians aren't any better behaved than Trump is behind the scenes, we know Trumps' true colors, and I view Cruz and Clinton as too corrupt and deceitful. I say let him win and Republicans need to deal with it.