For debate, what did Jesus teach?
Pure monotheism (Shema) and simple repentance...or
Trinitarianism and vicarious blood atonement?
What did Jesus teach?
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Elijah John
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What did Jesus teach?
Post #1 My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
Re: What did Jesus teach?
Post #2Jesus did not exactly teach monotheism although He said the Father and He were one..Elijah John wrote: For debate, what did Jesus teach?
Pure monotheism (Shema) and simple repentance...or
Trinitarianism and vicarious blood atonement?
Jn:14:1: Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me
He did teach "blood atonement", His blood being the atoner.
Mt:26:28: For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
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Re: What did Jesus teach?
Post #3[Replying to post 2 by YahDough]
When Jesus said he and the Father were "one," he meant it in the same way as when he prayed that his DISCIPLES and he & the Father would be "one".
"That they may all be one, even as You, Father, are in me and I in You, that they also may be in us....The glory which You have given me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as we are one." (John 17:21,22, NASB)
Does that mean that the disciples are also God?
When Jesus said he and the Father were "one," he meant it in the same way as when he prayed that his DISCIPLES and he & the Father would be "one".
"That they may all be one, even as You, Father, are in me and I in You, that they also may be in us....The glory which You have given me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as we are one." (John 17:21,22, NASB)
Does that mean that the disciples are also God?
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Re: What did Jesus teach?
Post #4Jesus taught pure monotheism. He said that his Father, Jehovah, was the only true God. (John 17:3)Elijah John wrote: For debate, what did Jesus teach?
Pure monotheism (Shema) and simple repentance...or
Trinitarianism and vicarious blood atonement?
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Re: What did Jesus teach?
Post #5onewithin,
Jesus could not think anything less than there being only one god for Him amongst all of the other god's in existence within the biblical era, and that was His god named Yahweh who was the god of the Hebrew people only, as the scriptures so state;
YAHWEHS WORDS: "You only have I chosen of all the families of the earth; therefore I will punish you for all your sins." (Amos 3:2)
YAHWEHS WORDS; "a people for his own possession, above all peoples on the face of the earth" (Deut. 7:6)
Barring the fact that there were other families upon the earth with seemingly different god concepts as history shows us, your bible also states that the Jesus Christians worship was the "King of the Jews" (Matthew 27:37) and I am sure that any worshiper of Jesus doesn't want to be left out, therefore, they have to become Jews before Jesus can become their true king.
Jesus could not think anything less than there being only one god for Him amongst all of the other god's in existence within the biblical era, and that was His god named Yahweh who was the god of the Hebrew people only, as the scriptures so state;
YAHWEHS WORDS: "You only have I chosen of all the families of the earth; therefore I will punish you for all your sins." (Amos 3:2)
YAHWEHS WORDS; "a people for his own possession, above all peoples on the face of the earth" (Deut. 7:6)
Barring the fact that there were other families upon the earth with seemingly different god concepts as history shows us, your bible also states that the Jesus Christians worship was the "King of the Jews" (Matthew 27:37) and I am sure that any worshiper of Jesus doesn't want to be left out, therefore, they have to become Jews before Jesus can become their true king.
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Re: What did Jesus teach?
Post #6onewithin,
Jesus could not think anything less than there being only one god for Him amongst all of the other god's in existence within the biblical era, and that was His god named Yahweh who was the god of the Hebrew people only, as the scriptures so state;
YAHWEHS WORDS: "You only have I chosen of all the families of the earth; therefore I will punish you for all your sins." (Amos 3:2)
YAHWEHS WORDS; "a people for his own possession, above all peoples on the face of the earth" (Deut. 7:6)
Barring the fact that there were other families upon the earth with seemingly different god concepts as history shows us, your bible also states that the Jesus Christians worship was the "King of the Jews" (Matthew 27:37) and I am sure that any worshiper of Jesus doesn't want to be left out, therefore, they have to become Jews before Jesus can become their true king.
Jesus could not think anything less than there being only one god for Him amongst all of the other god's in existence within the biblical era, and that was His god named Yahweh who was the god of the Hebrew people only, as the scriptures so state;
YAHWEHS WORDS: "You only have I chosen of all the families of the earth; therefore I will punish you for all your sins." (Amos 3:2)
YAHWEHS WORDS; "a people for his own possession, above all peoples on the face of the earth" (Deut. 7:6)
Barring the fact that there were other families upon the earth with seemingly different god concepts as history shows us, your bible also states that the Jesus Christians worship was the "King of the Jews" (Matthew 27:37) and I am sure that any worshiper of Jesus doesn't want to be left out, therefore, they have to become Jews before Jesus can become their true king.
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Re: What did Jesus teach?
Post #7onewithhim,
YOUR QUOTE: "Jesus taught pure monotheism. He said that his Father, Jehovah, was the only true God. (John 17:3)"
Barring that you're not showing respect to the Judeo-Christian god by not calling him Yahweh, as was his first name in the Old Testament, but within the Muslim Qu'ran in chapter 112 it states that Allah is the only true god: "In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate. Say (O Muhammad) He is God the One God, the Everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten, nor has been begotten, and equal to Him is not anyone."
How does one know which Bronze and Iron Age god is correct because if you read from the Qu'ran and Judeo-Christian bible one can plainly see that they're not the same god, but different as they were intended to be in this era.
YOUR QUOTE: "Jesus taught pure monotheism. He said that his Father, Jehovah, was the only true God. (John 17:3)"
Barring that you're not showing respect to the Judeo-Christian god by not calling him Yahweh, as was his first name in the Old Testament, but within the Muslim Qu'ran in chapter 112 it states that Allah is the only true god: "In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate. Say (O Muhammad) He is God the One God, the Everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten, nor has been begotten, and equal to Him is not anyone."
How does one know which Bronze and Iron Age god is correct because if you read from the Qu'ran and Judeo-Christian bible one can plainly see that they're not the same god, but different as they were intended to be in this era.
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Re: What did Jesus teach?
Post #8Yahdough,
Are you comfortable with an omniscient god (1 John 3:20) named Yahweh that therefore knew he was going to change his mind by jettisoning the Jews by writing a New Testament?
And at the same time, your told that Yahweh does not change his mind; "God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?" (Numbers 23:19)
Seriously, how do you address this contradiction and disrespect Yahweh performed to the Old Testament Jews, whereas he was their god to begin with?
Are you comfortable with an omniscient god (1 John 3:20) named Yahweh that therefore knew he was going to change his mind by jettisoning the Jews by writing a New Testament?
And at the same time, your told that Yahweh does not change his mind; "God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?" (Numbers 23:19)
Seriously, how do you address this contradiction and disrespect Yahweh performed to the Old Testament Jews, whereas he was their god to begin with?
Re: What did Jesus teach?
Post #921stCenturyIconoclast wrote:No. God. the Father's name is Eli or Eloi as Jesus called Him as He died on the cross,Yahdough,
Are you comfortable with an omniscient god (1 John 3:20) named Yahweh that therefore knew he was going to change his mind by jettisoning the Jews by writing a New Testament?
Mt:27:46: And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Mk:15:34: And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
GOD the Father, Eloi, can do whatever He wants. All things are possible with God.
The humanity of God was established in and through Christ Jesus who is/was the LORD with GOD. Life is established by God the Father through Christ Jesus the Son/LORD.And at the same time, your told that Yahweh does not change his mind; "God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?" (Numbers 23:19)
YHWV (Eloi) sent His Son, Jesus It was most of the Jews that rejected Christ, the Lord and Messiah. In doing this they rejected their God who sent Him.Seriously, how do you address this contradiction and disrespect Yahweh performed to the Old Testament Jews, whereas he was their god to begin with?
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Re: What did Jesus teach?
Post #10[Replying to post 9 by YahDough]
As we're aware it all depends on which bible of the MANY contradicting bibles that exist that one reads from, to determine what the brutal serial killer Hebrew Christian Gods name was. I like to use his first name granted to him by the early Jews, which was Yahweh. You call him Eli, the JW's call him Jehovah, and the list goes on.
Yes, I guess Yahweh can do whatever he wants, and that is knowing beforehand that he was going to change and come up with a new spin on his doctrine that caught the Jews off guard, thus they werent prepared for this change and had to leave Jesus because of it. Well, I guess you can cross out Numbers 23:19 from your bible where it stated that Yahweh never changes his mind. Sad that Yahweh lied in this respect.
The irony is that a Christian is defined as a follower of Jesus, therefore, since Yahweh is a Hebrew God, and he was only sent for the Jews, and Jesus is King of the Jews, then to be true to form, all Christians are Jews. You're just one of the Jews that didn't reject Jesus when Yahweh changed his mind.
Essentially then, youre a follower of a lying god.
Seeya around the forum!
As we're aware it all depends on which bible of the MANY contradicting bibles that exist that one reads from, to determine what the brutal serial killer Hebrew Christian Gods name was. I like to use his first name granted to him by the early Jews, which was Yahweh. You call him Eli, the JW's call him Jehovah, and the list goes on.
Yes, I guess Yahweh can do whatever he wants, and that is knowing beforehand that he was going to change and come up with a new spin on his doctrine that caught the Jews off guard, thus they werent prepared for this change and had to leave Jesus because of it. Well, I guess you can cross out Numbers 23:19 from your bible where it stated that Yahweh never changes his mind. Sad that Yahweh lied in this respect.
The irony is that a Christian is defined as a follower of Jesus, therefore, since Yahweh is a Hebrew God, and he was only sent for the Jews, and Jesus is King of the Jews, then to be true to form, all Christians are Jews. You're just one of the Jews that didn't reject Jesus when Yahweh changed his mind.
Essentially then, youre a follower of a lying god.
Seeya around the forum!
