Is heaven fun when you know your Mom is in hell?

[Cmass]

If I went to heaven and knew that many of my closest friends, neighbors and much of my family - perhaps even my child - were being tortured in hell forever, I would be tortured myself. In other words, is a heaven experience possible if you know there is a hell and know and love some of the people there?

[kiwimac]

As a Christian I argue that Hell does not exist.

[achilles12604]

As a Christian I argue that Hell does not exist.

This is a pretty hard position to agrue. Especially from the christian point of view. Any explainations for all the scripture references to hell? Jesus teachings on the matter?

[achilles12604]

There are only three possibilities: (1) hell does not exist, (2) people in heaven have no memory of those in hell or (3) people in heaven rejoice over those in hell.

Take your pick!

There is yet another alternative which has not yet been brought up. This is one I used to be against, but after further research, I am beginning to view it as a plausible possibility (much to the dismay of some of my more close minded, stuck in tradition Christian friends).

Hell may be eternal. However, this does not mean that the souls there are eternal. There are numerous references to those in hell being destroyed. It is possible that those condemned to hell are eventually destroyed entirely and go into nothingness.

A second additional possibility . . . As I have championed several times, Hell could be a place of isolation and solitude, but not necessarily a roasting oven. This addresses the torture aspect of this discussion.

A third possibility, is that once in God's grace, a souls emotions may be focused on him and him alone. So they may be aware of those in hell, but not "care" so to speak. Since Jesus makes it clear that God is number one and far more important that anyone or anything else (notice I said more important, not that they are unimportant) this is plausible.

There are many alternatives to the box you attempt to place around God. There are probably possibilities that I can not conceive. So don't close the book on something that is unexperienced by anyone on earth, until you know for sure.

[Cmass]

Achilles wrote:
A third possibility, is that once in God's grace, a souls emotions may be focused on him and him alone. So they may be aware of those in hell, but not "care" so to speak. Since Jesus makes it clear that God is number one and far more important that anyone or anything else (notice I said more important, not that they are unimportant) this is plausible.

Achilles, I love all of these creative scenarios! They show more original thinking and compassion than I have seen you previously espouse in regard to those of us who are dammed. However, the last one is by far your best argument in terms of this thread. You get out of my trap by implying that the overwhelming bliss of the heavenly situation trumps all other experience including concern for other people's welfare. OK, I'll buy that & thus have donated 5 tokens for your efforts.

So, this means you, your consciousness and your humanity is fundamentally altered or lost at the foot of God?

[achilles12604]

Achilles wrote:
A third possibility, is that once in God's grace, a souls emotions may be focused on him and him alone. So they may be aware of those in hell, but not "care" so to speak. Since Jesus makes it clear that God is number one and far more important that anyone or anything else (notice I said more important, not that they are unimportant) this is plausible.

Achilles, I love all of these creative scenarios! They show more original thinking and compassion than I have seen you previously espouse in regard to those of us who are dammed. However, the last one is by far your best argument in terms of this thread. You get out of my trap by implying that the overwhelming bliss of the heavenly situation trumps all other experience including concern for other people's welfare. OK, I'll buy that & thus have donated 5 tokens for your efforts.

So, this means you, your consciousness and your humanity is fundamentally altered or lost at the foot of God?

Who knows what occurs at the foot of your creator. I intend to find out however, and honestly it sometimes terrifies me. But still I can't wait.

[kiwimac]

I accept the plain comment of scripture which says that "as all humanity died in Adam so all humanity has been made alive in Jesus Christ."

[Cmass]

Who knows what occurs at the foot of your creator.

I would assume something very good, no? Otherwise, who gives a rat's buttock?

I intend to find out however, and honestly it sometimes terrifies me.

I like the Honesty. Terrified of seeing God.
Fascinating.

But still I can't wait.

I certainly hope you can. Excercise and eat right just in case you're wrong about this tooth fairy nonsense.

[achilles12604]

But still I can't wait.

I certainly hope you can. Excercise and eat right just in case you're wrong about this tooth fairy nonsense.

Oh I do but mostly because I have to for my job. After all no one lives for very long in the grand scheme of things right?

[Cmass]

Oh I do but mostly because I have to for my job.

If not for your job, would you?

After all no one lives for very long in the grand scheme of things right?

In the grand scheme of things meaning all time, yes, your existence is a nearly infinitely small point in time. In fact, my fathers biography is called "A Point In Time" for this reason. But, it is forever for you because you are all you will ever be or ever have been right now.

[achilles12604]

Oh I do but mostly because I have to for my job.

If not for your job, would you?

After all no one lives for very long in the grand scheme of things right?

In the grand scheme of things meaning all time, yes, your existence is a nearly infinitely small point in time. In fact, my fathers biography is called "A Point In Time" for this reason. But, it is forever for you because you are all you will ever be or ever have been right now.

#1) Honestly, probably not. I am both busy and lazy. I work out to keep up with those individuals I am paid to babysit.

#2) What do you mean by

you are all you will ever be or ever have been right now

Right now I am not as strong, smart, financially stable, or many other things as I will be tomorrow, or next week.

And after I die, who known what I can become. The possibilities are endless. They can include absolutly anything to absolutly everything. So could you clarify?