Evidently, Jesus did not fulfill the birth prophecies

[polonius]

[Willum]

It's really hard to say - it seems to me the Romans re-wrote the OT and actually wrote the NT. Isaiah clearly refers to Caesar Augustus. Perhaps when they re-wrote the OT, replacing the Elohim Pantheon with Jove,* they also replaced the prophesy.

How can we know? When opportunistic Jew, imperial Romans and who knows what else re-writes the book when they have the power and it suites them.

How can we know if Jesus fulfilled the prophesy or not? Men have muddled any truth that may have been had.

[JLB32168]

[Tired of the Nonsense]

[polonius]

[Replying to Willum]

RESPONSE:

Thank you for your reply. First things first. What are you saying when you state that the Romans rewrote the NT. Do you have a reference you can cite?

Regards,

Polonius

[polonius]

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...And the messiah had to be a descendent of David and Solomon, so the story was that he had Davidic blood through his mother, Mary. But Mary’s lineage according to Luke came through Nathan who was never a king of Israel, rather than through Solomon to fulfill the prophecy.

"The Messiah must be from the seed of Solomon (2 Samuel 7:12-16,Psalms 89:29-38,1 Chronicles 17:11-14,22:9-10,28:6-7). ...

2 Samuel 7:12-16 is really about Solomon.

Psalms 89:29-38 tells that David’s seed endure forever, and his throne as the days of heaven. It doesn’t speak that Messiah will be biological son of David. It tells that the thrown will be long lasting.

1 Chronicles 17:11-14, also about Solomon.

1 Chronicles 22:9-10, also about Solomon.

1 Chronicles 28:6-7, also about Solomon.

There is no word Messiah used in those.

I think people have greatly misunderstood those scriptures, if they think it is about the Messiah.

Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question, saying, "What do you think of the Christ? Whose son is he?" They said to him, "Of David." He said to them, "How then does David in the Spirit call him Lord, saying, 'The Lord said to my Lord, Sit on my right hand, Until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet?' "If then David calls him Lord, how is he his son?" No one was able to answer him a word, neither dared any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.
Matt. 22:41-46

[bluethread]

Even if it was the genealogy of Mary this is meaningless as Jewish law only recognizes tribal affiliation through the father (Numbers1:18).[/b]" http://evidenceforchristianity.org/can- ... al-father/

And it seems quite probably that Mary was a descendent of Aaron, not David, as her relative Elizabeth was.

As you pointed out tribal affiliation is through the father. So, let's look at this in that light. Myriam need not be a descendent of Aharon. True Elizabeth's husband was a Cohen and this requires he marry a Levite. Therefore, Elizabeth was a Levite. However, this meant that Elizabeth's father was a Levite. If Elizabeth's father was not a Cohen, he need not marry a Levite. Therefore, her mother may not have been a Levite and therefore her uncle, Yacov, need not have been a Levite. In fact, we see in Matthew's account that Myriam's father, Yacov, was not a Levite, but from the tribe of Yehudah. So, Yeshua was a descendent of David through Myriam and, by adoption, through Yoseph.

[Willum]

[Replying to polonius.advice]

They did re-write the NT, they wrote it. They re-wrote the OT.

Easy:
Jesus has just a handful of temporal claims.
Pay Roman tithes to the Pagan God Augustus, via the son of this god Tiberius.
Don't molest tax collectors.
Obey Rome.
Turn the other cheek on your oppressors.

Jesus had a handful of temporal claims, and they all support the pagan government of Rome.

Augustus was made divine by the power of Jove, he gave Palestine food, water law and protection. In return the God Augustus wanted tithes.
It's not such a stretch, the god God wants tithes as well, and in return he provides... well he doesn't provide anything, but he still wants money.

How could Jesus advocate the support of the divine Augustus, when it it better to pluck an eye out than to lust after a woman?

Now the OT was re-written as mentioned; Jove, if you pronounce it in proper Latin, that means pronouncing all the letters, is (J --> Y) Y ou (ow) ay, or alternatively Ee oo vah.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 8 by bluethread]

Affiliation used to be through the mother, but that changed... I forget when.

In any case, are you saying that hald of Jesus DNA was Mary's, the other half sparkling magic dust?

So Jesus was not related to Joseph anyway... just another fallacy to trip over.