YAHWEH creates evil, then drowns creation for it!

[21stCenturyIconoclast]

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"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and I create evil, I the LORD do all these things." ( Isaiah 45:7)

"Shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?" (Amos 3:6)

The reason that the Hebrew Christian Yahweh god, of which is one of many gods in the Before Common Era, decides to drown the entire world accept Noah and family, is because his creation are evil and unworthy of existence (Genesis 6:5). The irony is that Yahweh created evil in the first place as shown above in the passages in question. Yahweh is also omniscient (1 John 3:20) , therefore he knew his creation would falter and he would have to kill them, therefore Christians and Jews worship a god that is Schizophrenic!

"Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them." (Genesis 6:5-7)

Christians, can an innocent zygote or fetus ever be evil enough where they need to be destroyed within their mothers womb in the Great Flood, as your Yahweh caused abortions in this instance? Can an innocent baby really be evil where they need to die a horrible death by hopelessly treading water in Yahwehs flood for hours as they cry out in horror to their mothers; as their muscles burned due to large amounts of lactic acid production. Where once they finally give up, they went under, and held their breaths, where acidic carbon dioxide eroded their lungs until the unbearable pain forced them to inhale where there was no air for them to breathe. All the while, the ever loving and forgiving Yahweh god is watching.

Then the water brought into their little lungs robbed their little bodies of oxygen, causing them to go numb. As water violently rushed in and out of their little chests, it finally laid their heavily breathing and slowly dying bodies to the bottom of the ocean as the inhaled water caused their lungs to tear and bleed profusely. All the while, the ever loving and forgiving Yahweh god is watching.

As their blood supply dwindled, their innocent hearts slowly came to a halt. Even so, their brains continued to process information for another couple of minutes. They were patently aware that death was imminent, yet they could do nothing to prevent it. We can only imagine that their final thoughts would have been on what they did to deserve such horrific treatment and death. All the while, the ever loving and forgiving Yahweh god is watching.


When Christians understand why you dismiss all the other gods in the Before Common Era, then you will understand why I dismiss yours.

[marco]

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All the while, the ever loving and forgiving Yahweh god is watching.

Well expressed, iconoclast. There is no legitimate pretext for destroying all animal life even if people were bad. The Bible regularly has this nonsense of allocating wickedness to everything.

The other silliness in the tale is God's change of mind, his regret for having mistakenly made people. Not much of a God, then.

His chosen murderous method, flooding over a long period, is just the primitive nave way of explaining things. It suited them to have a brutal warrior god and they certainly created one.

[Hamsaka]

[Replying to post 1 by 21stCenturyIconoclast]

The reason that the Hebrew Christian Yahweh god, of which is one of many gods in the Before Common Era, decides to drown the entire world accept Noah and family, is because his creation are evil and unworthy of existence (Genesis 6:5). The irony is that Yahweh created evil in the first place as shown above in the passages in question. Yahweh is also omniscient (1 John 3:20) , therefore he knew his creation would falter and he would have to kill them, therefore Christians and Jews worship a god that is Schizophrenic!

A worldview, or apprehension of consensus reality that includes the necessary existence of the god described in the Hebrew Bible will require many other necessarily infallible 'divinely commanded' beliefs that render the whole mess into an over-built weaver bird nest. One that looks ready to take down the entire tree.

The only truly 'necessary' belief is that human apprehension of consensus reality is wrong. If our tools and senses tell us facts that contradict the accounts written two to three thousand years ago by innocently ignorant ancient tribespeople (lol), then viola'! our senses and tools and their measurements MUST be wrong!

That ancient cobbled-together collection of fables and faith-history has nothing within it's texts that justifies denying the obvious and self-evident -- except the threat of Hell or punishment.

People believe all kinds of crazy, 'schizophrenic' things in service of some necessary 'truth' or other. In this day and age, they can't escape knowing this, and I very rarely 'buy' it when they insist they don't know it. Fear of everlasting Hell, or oblivion, or God's wrath requires a certain amount of schizoid-ness. Why anyone would defend such a bleak system of required beliefs is beyond me. It's mostly why what faith I had succumbed to the inevitable. Who would WANT to believe such a thing unless they were under duress?

[JLB32168]

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and I create evil, I the LORD do all these things." ( Isaiah 45:7)

I think youre interpreting this a little too literally. How does one create darkness? Its the absence of light. How do you create an absence? I think the intent of the passage is metaphorical " as in I can do all I want as it pertains to man.

How does one create good or evil? They are merely concepts used to describe actions. God doesnt create good running. He creates people. They run. They can run well. God created them. He didnt create their actions.

Was there a purpose to this thread other than to say "I reject your deity as you reject all others."

My response is "Okay."

[marco]

I think youre interpreting this a little too literally. How does one create darkness? Its the absence of light.

When all else fails, find the metaphor. One creates darkness by extinguishing light.
One creates light by extinguishing darkness. One creates God by endowing him with superhuman powers and allowing him invisibly to shadow humans. One defends that creation by finding metaphor in absurdity.

Was there a purpose to this thread?

To introduce the paradox that an all-good God destroyed all human life on earth except the few to whom he gave the mammoth task of building the Titanic out of uncut trees. Man may have been bad; this total destruction was worse. That's a good topic for discussion, I think.

[ttruscott]

Let's choose from multiple options that one interpretation that goes against the nature of GOD and yet pretend we have something to offer... Making up a new religion is so much fun!

7451 ra rah from 7489; bad or (as noun) evil (natural or moral):-- adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease(-ure), distress, evil((- favouredness), man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief(-vous), harm, heavy, hurt(-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief(-vous), misery, naught(-ty), noisome, + not please, sad(-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked(-ly, -ness, one), worse(-st), wretchedness, wrong. (Incl. feminine raaah; as adjective or noun.).

[JLB32168]

When all else fails, find the metaphor. One creates darkness by extinguishing light. One creates light by extinguishing darkness.

The point is that one cannot create darkness. One cannot create evil because it isnt a thing. If I decide to do something evil it isnt because God made me. I did it of my own volition.

That is why God cannot create good or evil.

[Tired of the Nonsense]

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and I create evil, I the LORD do all these things." ( Isaiah 45:7)

I think youre interpreting this a little too literally. How does one create darkness? Its the absence of light. How do you create an absence? I think the intent of the passage is metaphorical " as in I can do all I want as it pertains to man.

How does one create good or evil? They are merely concepts used to describe actions. God doesnt create good running. He creates people. They run. They can run well. God created them. He didnt create their actions.

Was there a purpose to this thread other than to say "I reject your deity as you reject all others."

My response is "Okay."

Another conclusion is that you are contending that the Bible is allegorical and need not be taken at face value. So when the bible says:

Genesis 1:
[4] And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

That is allegory? Because in reality the sun shines 24-7. The reason we experience darkness is the the earth rotates, meaning that one side is always facing away from the sun. Of course the ancients did not know that. They thought that the sun simply went away everyday, no one knew where to, which caused the hours to be divided into times of light, and times of darkness. That God divided the light from the darkness was not simple allegory to the ancients at all. It's an accurate depiction of the way they viewed reality.

Speaking of the earth's rotation, what about Joshua 10:12-13, where it indicates that Joshua was able to fix the sun and moon in the sky for about 24 hours with a command. This would have required arresting the earth's rotation, and then starting it up again. Allegory? What of the story of Jonah riding around in the belly of a large fish for several days, only to be deposited safely back on dry land again. Allegory? Hordes of dead people rising up out of their graves and wandering about as depicted in Matthew 27: 52-53. Allegory? What then should we make of the story of the corpse of Jesus returning to life and then subsequently flying away? Since it is every bit as ridiculous as the other stories I mentioned, why should we not consider the flying reanimated corpse of Jesus story as nothing more than simple allegory, and clearly not something to be regarded as having actually occurred?

[Elijah John]

Not everything attributed to YHVH originates with YHVH. The flood tale is an example of some "dung" in the Bible.

Unless it can be read somehow as a myth of renewal and regeneration.

[Elijah John]

. One defends that creation by finding metaphor in absurdity.

Surprising statement coming from a poet. Poetry and myth often convey things that transcend literal understanding. Deeper Spiritual truths, intangible truths, for those uncomfortable with the word "spiritual".

As one poet to another, I'm wondering if you have an affinity with a certain Jesus of Nazareth, and his poetic approach?