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Christians are said to represent 70% of the US population. However, many Christians who debate here (and speak elsewhere) declare that some fellow Christians are Not REAL Christians. Since there is no consensus in Christendom regarding requirements / criteria for real status, individuals and groups seem inclined to make up whatever suits their position " and apply their opinion in judging fellow Christians.
A self-declared REAL Christian Protestant may declare that Catholics are not real while RCC may say the Protestants are not " thus eliminating each other. Some posters deny real status to Eastern Orthodox, LDS, JW, 7th Day, Amish, Holy Rollers, Snake Handlers, Westboro Baptist, KKK, and/or other sects / denominations / groups " based on their personal opinion.
A cumulative total of sects denied real status seems to eliminate nearly every Christian (except the speaker's chosen sect, of course). How many are left? Would 5% or 10% be a good guess? If so, that would be LESS than the percentage of the US population who declare no religious affiliation (20%) including Atheists (2%) and Agnostics (3%). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligio ... ted_States
It should be kept in mind that Christians are not truthful in surveys about church attendance. Forty percent tell surveyors they attend regularly while church attendance statistics indicate that only 20% actually attend.
Can the 20% who actually attend church regularly be considered REAL Christians? If so their numbers about equal the no religious affiliation group. Are some regular attendees NOT Real Christians (but attend church for appearances, under duress, or whatever)? Are some who do not attend church actually Real Christians? How are such matters decided? What individual or group is authorized to judge?
Does the whole issue seem like a schoolyard inclusion / exclusion game?
How many REAL Christians?
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How many REAL Christians?
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Re: How many REAL Christians?
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Christians are said to represent 70% of the US population. However, many Christians who debate here (and speak elsewhere) declare that some fellow Christians are Not REAL Christians. Since there is no consensus in Christendom regarding requirements / criteria for real status, individuals and groups seem inclined to make up whatever suits their position " and apply their opinion in judging fellow Christians.
A self-declared REAL Christian Protestant may declare that Catholics are not real while RCC may say the Protestants are not " thus eliminating each other. Some posters deny real status to Eastern Orthodox, LDS, JW, 7th Day, Amish, Holy Rollers, Snake Handlers, Westboro Baptist, KKK, and/or other sects / denominations / groups " based on their personal opinion.
A cumulative total of sects denied real status seems to eliminate nearly every Christian (except the speaker's chosen sect, of course). How many are left? Would 5% or 10% be a good guess? If so, that would be LESS than the percentage of the US population who declare no religious affiliation (20%) including Atheists (2%) and Agnostics (3%). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligio ... ted_States
It should be kept in mind that Christians are not truthful in surveys about church attendance. Forty percent tell surveyors they attend regularly while church attendance statistics indicate that only 20% actually attend.
Can the 20% who actually attend church regularly be considered REAL Christians? If so their numbers about equal the no religious affiliation group. Are some regular attendees NOT Real Christians (but attend church for appearances, under duress, or whatever)? Are some who do not attend church actually Real Christians? How are such matters decided? What individual or group is authorized to judge?
Does the whole issue seem like a schoolyard inclusion / exclusion game?
I think we would have to analyze the individual beliefs, and actions, of those who claim Christianity to determine whether or not they really do represent Christianity correctly... These numbers are more or less irrelevant... What is relevant is the beliefs one might hold, and the actions of that individual.
For instance, if someone thinks it is ok to go kill sinners, in the name of Christianity, i think it would be fare to say that is a "false" Christian.
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Re: How many REAL Christians?
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If one Christian deems a belief or action to "really represent Christianity" and another Christian says they do not (and both use the Bible to support their position -- as is often the case), WHICH one is right and WHO is authorized to decide?
When Apologists eliminate all the "False Christians" there apparently are not many Christians left -- perhaps just them and their sect (with the other 39,999 sects being"false").
I do not disagree with the "false" designation, but do not make any exceptions.
WHO is authorized to make that determination?MadeNew wrote: I think we would have to analyze the individual beliefs, and actions, of those who claim Christianity to determine whether or not they really do represent Christianity correctly...
If one Christian deems a belief or action to "really represent Christianity" and another Christian says they do not (and both use the Bible to support their position -- as is often the case), WHICH one is right and WHO is authorized to decide?
Thus, all who killed sinners in the name of Christianity over the centuries were FALSE Christians -- including Crusaders, Popes, Inquisitors, witch killers, conquerors, etc. Right?MadeNew wrote: For instance, if someone thinks it is ok to go kill sinners, in the name of Christianity, i think it would be fare to say that is a "false" Christian.
When Apologists eliminate all the "False Christians" there apparently are not many Christians left -- perhaps just them and their sect (with the other 39,999 sects being"false").
I do not disagree with the "false" designation, but do not make any exceptions.
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