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Are gays going too far?

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This is what good Christians mean when they say there is an agenda! Please read and then answer this:
What will the world look like if the gays win and continue to convert our children over to their sick, sinful world? If Christians don't win this one, what might the world look like? When you get up in the morning, what would you see? Naked men in your front yard? What?

'98 Homosexual-Recruitment Drive Nearing Goal
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July 29, 1998 | Issue 3326

SAN FRANCISCOSpokespersons for the National Gay & Lesbian Recruitment Task Force announced Monday that more than 288,000 straights have been converted to homosexuality since Jan. 1, 1998, putting the group well on pace to reach its goal of 350,000 conversions by the end of the year.
seven months of 1998, nearly 300,000 heterosexuals were ensnared in the Pink Triangle," said NGLRTF co-director Patricia Emmonds. "Clearly, the activist homosexual lobby is winning."

Emmonds credited much of the recruiting success to the gay lobby's infiltration of America's public schools, where programs promoting the homosexual lifestyle are regularly presented to children as young as 5.

Lansing, MI, fifth-grade teacher Margaret Gerhardt. Gerhardt's is one of countless elementary-school classes across the U.S. in which the homosexual agenda and lifestyle are actively promoted.

"It's crucial that we reach these kids while they're still young," Emmonds said. "That's when they're most vulnerable to our message of sexual promiscuity and deviance."

"When I grow up, I want to be gay," said Christopher Linn, 8, a second-grader at Philadelphia's Lakeside Elementary School, one of thousands of public schools nationwide that actively promote the homosexual agenda. "I don't want to have a family or go to church."

"Straight people don't have any fun," said Teddy Nance, 11, after watching Breeders Are Boring!, an anti-heterosexual filmstrip, in his fifth-grade class at Crestwood Elementary School in Roanoke, VA. "Gay people get to do whatever they want."

In addition to school programs that target youths, the NGLRTF launched a $630 million advertising campaign this year in an effort to convert adults to homosexuality. The campaign, which features TV and radio spots, as well as print advertising in major national magazines, has helped convince thousands of people to leave their spouses and families for a life of self-gratification and irresponsibility.

"The gay lifestyle is for me," said James Miller, an Oklahoma City father of four who recently moved to Provincetown, MA, to pursue a career in bath-house management. "When I was a family man, I constantly had to worry about things like taking the kids to Little League practice, paying for their braces, and remembering my wife's birthday. But now that I'm gay, I'm finally free to focus all my energy on having non-stop, mind-blowing anal sex."

Though Emmonds said gays have been tremendously successful in tearing at the fabric of society and subverting basic decency, she stressed that their work is far from over.

"For all the progress we've made, America is still overwhelmingly heterosexual," said Emmonds, who is calling for an additional $2.6 billion in federal aid to further the gay agenda. "If we are to insidiously penetrate American society, as we constantly do each other's orifices, we need more money and resources. Without such help, this country will remain the domain of decent, moral, God-fearing Christians. And that would be a sin."
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As I pointed out, religion is not taught in schools. Parents who do not wish for their child to be taught religion by outside influences, can arrange for their wishes to be met. they simply do not go to church, the place where religion is expected to be taught.

Why should other ideas not be allowed into this catagory? Why is it ok to teach a homosexual lifestyle to a young child who's parent does not wish for them to learn these ideas? How is this simple demand of parents


Oh man! Just as you were crawling out of the pit of despair and on your way to redemtion you lay down this stink. :roll:
Now you are comparing sexual orientation to religion and once again saying it is a lifestyle. Could you give me an example of state-approved curriculum where sexual orientation is discussed and what it is they are teaching?
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As I pointed out, religion is not taught in schools. Parents who do not wish for their child to be taught religion by outside influences, can arrange for their wishes to be met. they simply do not go to church, the place where religion is expected to be taught.

Why should other ideas not be allowed into this catagory? Why is it ok to teach a homosexual lifestyle to a young child who's parent does not wish for them to learn these ideas? How is this simple demand of parents


Oh man! Just as you were crawling out of the pit of despair and on your way to redemtion you lay down this stink. :roll:
Now you are comparing sexual orientation to religion and once again saying it is a lifestyle. Could you give me an example of state-approved curriculum where sexual orientation is discussed and what it is they are teaching?
(Think on this for a bit because I REALLY have to get some work done tonight!)
Was not the basic premise of this entire thread that there was a group that was attempting to convert people to homosexuality by influencing young children? I never said that this was actually happening. I was pointing out that if this were happening, it would be the same as teaching any other set of ideas to young children be it, religion, homosexuality, communism, euthanasia . . . whatever. The point is that unless the parent is wishing for their child to recieve such education and ideas, to force it on a child is flat wrong, no matter what the ideology is.

And it is a LIFESTYLE! Just as heterosexual relationships is a heterosexual lifestyle or bisexual is a bisexual lifestyle. Style of life. Pattern of behavior. What is wrong with the word lifestyle?

I'm not sure where we are crossing wires here.
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Was not the basic premise of this entire thread that there was a group that was attempting to convert people to homosexuality by influencing young children?

No, that was a humor piece written to highlight that fact that there are people who think gays have some sort of sinister plan to convert our youngsters into little gay people.
I never said that this was actually happening. I was pointing out that if this were happening, it would be the same as teaching any other set of ideas to young children be it, religion, homosexuality, communism, euthanasia . . . whatever.

You are right, it is NOT happening which is why we need to correct Jerry Falwell (and other gay-bashing Christians) when he lets loose his forked tongue on the matter.
The point is that unless the parent is wishing for their child to receive such education and ideas, to force it on a child is flat wrong, no matter what the ideology is.

But, force what? You are confusing me on this. Are you referring to the over the top humor in the article - which is not going on - or are you referring to something that you think actually IS going on and that needs to stop?
And it is a LIFESTYLE! Just as heterosexual relationships is a heterosexual lifestyle or bisexual is a bisexual lifestyle. Style of life. Pattern of behavior. What is wrong with the word lifestyle?


I think I see where we are crossing wires:

I am talking about sexual orientation as something that comes naturally to someone. The struggles people encounter associated with their sexual preference are related to the culture that rejects them. Commentary suggesting their sexual orientation is a lifestyle choice and not just the way they are is thus seen as damaging and ignorant.

What I think you are talking about is lifestyle choices that ALL PEOPLE make regardless of their sexual orientation. For example, teaching children about the proper edict in a gay bath house would be on par with teaching children how to properly tuck dollar bills into a stripper at a bar.

Does this sound right?

BTW: There are cultures in the world where our discussion on this matter would bewilder the reader - homosexuality is simply not an issue.

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Cmass wrote:BTW: There are cultures in the world where our discussion on this matter would bewilder the reader - homosexuality is simply not an issue.
Not an issue because there aren't any gay people, or because they are accepting of the fact?

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The point is that unless the parent is wishing for their child to receive such education and ideas, to force it on a child is flat wrong, no matter what the ideology is.
But, force what? You are confusing me on this. Are you referring to the over the top humor in the article - which is not going on - or are you referring to something that you think actually IS going on and that needs to stop?
Ah I see our crossing now. I am playing out your article as if it were fact and commenting on the repercussions of those circumstances. You thought I was saying we should put down the evil gay union. got it.

No I was playing out your original premise and commenting on the ethics involved with the actions purported by the "gay teachers."
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And it is a LIFESTYLE! Just as heterosexual relationships is a heterosexual lifestyle or bisexual is a bisexual lifestyle. Style of life. Pattern of behavior. What is wrong with the word lifestyle?
I think I see where we are crossing wires:

I am talking about sexual orientation as something that comes naturally to someone. The struggles people encounter associated with their sexual preference are related to the culture that rejects them. Commentary suggesting their sexual orientation is a lifestyle choice and not just the way they are is thus seen as damaging and ignorant.

What I think you are talking about is lifestyle choices that ALL PEOPLE make regardless of their sexual orientation. For example, teaching children about the proper edict in a gay bath house would be on par with teaching children how to properly tuck dollar bills into a stripper at a bar.

Does this sound right?

Ah. Here is the key word in the key sentence. . .
Commentary suggesting their sexual orientation is a lifestyle choice
Two different applications of the same word. I hate English sometimes.

I am undecided on the issue of gay's choosing to be gay or not. Ultimatly I think this will probably end up being on of those things that God needs to sort out of the peoples hearts. Thank goodness he can see our hearts for what they are and not what judgements people pass based on what they see.

Besides, even if they were all choosing to be gay, I chose to commit many sins in my life. I have voluntarily done thousands of things that I knew went against the bible, sometimes thinking to myself, "this is wrong. I'm doing it anyway." What ground do I have to judge others?
For example, teaching children about the proper edict in a gay bath house would be on par with teaching children how to properly tuck dollar bills into a stripper at a bar.

Does this sound right?
You totally lost me here. So I'll just smile and nod. . . . :yes:
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I have voluntarily done thousands of things that I knew went against the bible,
Thousands? Now I see why you chose your profession: To keep yourself in line.
Not an issue because there aren't any gay people, or because they are accepting of the fact?
(^^anticipating this question)
Good anticipation!
Because they are accepting of the fact.

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achilles12604 wrote:I am undecided on the issue of gay's choosing to be gay or not. Ultimatly I think this will probably end up being on of those things that God needs to sort out of the peoples hearts. Thank goodness he can see our hearts for what they are and not what judgements people pass based on what they see.


I'm just curious as to why god would have to "sort {it} out ot the peoples hearts". Are you saying that god should sort it out? I'm a little confused.

But going along with "god whould sort it out" AND if being gay is not a choice (i.e. if both these were the case) then god created certain people to be gay, and certain people to be straight. Saying that gay people are sinners is therefore very stupid - because god created them to be sinners and they can't NOT be.

Or are you saying something entirely different?
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"god whould sort it out"
I recall a T-shirt from many years ago: "Kill 'em all & let God sort 'em out!"
Very pleasant. I don't recall what it refered to.

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methylatedghosts wrote:
achilles12604 wrote:I am undecided on the issue of gay's choosing to be gay or not. Ultimatly I think this will probably end up being on of those things that God needs to sort out of the peoples hearts. Thank goodness he can see our hearts for what they are and not what judgements people pass based on what they see.


I'm just curious as to why god would have to "sort {it} out ot the peoples hearts". Are you saying that god should sort it out? I'm a little confused.

But going along with "god whould sort it out" AND if being gay is not a choice (i.e. if both these were the case) then god created certain people to be gay, and certain people to be straight. Saying that gay people are sinners is therefore very stupid - because god created them to be sinners and they can't NOT be.

Or are you saying something entirely different?
God can read the hearts of men. hence his judgement would be perfect. For good or bad, his judgement is 100%.

As for the inability to chose being proof that God created them to be sinners, I disagree slightly (big surprise). God created all men and all men are born desiring to sin. So in essence God created all men as sinners, to break away from sin and get past it. whatever the sin is, the pattern is the same. I do not put homosexuality into a special catagory. It fits in with other things that the bible declares are sin yet men consistantly desire to do.
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achilles12604 wrote:God can read the hearts of men. hence his judgement would be perfect. For good or bad, his judgement is 100%.
100% what?
As for the inability to chose being proof that God created them to be sinners, I disagree slightly (big surprise). God created all men and all men are born desiring to sin. So in essence God created all men as sinners, to break away from sin and get past it. whatever the sin is, the pattern is the same. I do not put homosexuality into a special catagory. It fits in with other things that the bible declares are sin yet men consistantly desire to do.
So God puts gay people through a much tougher situation than others? Because they've got all the other sins to worry about as well. Straight people therefore are at an advantage. Is god this unfair? Because it really seems to be....
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