Was Prophet Muhammad Mentioned In Bible ?!
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Was Prophet Muhammad Mentioned In Bible ?!
Post #1some verses in bible mentioned muhammad the prophet by name some people say its not true in this debate we need to know whether he was or was not mentioned
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Post #2I don't know of any where the prophet Muhammad was mentioned, at least by name. Can you provide any evidence that he was?mms20102 wrote: some verses in bible mentioned muhammad the prophet by name some people say its not true in this debate we need to know whether he was or was not mentioned
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Post #3[Replying to post 2 by Elijah John]
Song of Songs 5:16New International Version (NIV)
16
His mouth is sweetness itself;
he is altogether lovely.
This is my beloved, this is my friend,
Hebrew text : " חִכֹּו֙ מַֽמְתַקִּ֔י×� וְכֻלֹּ֖ו מַחֲמַדִּ֑י×� זֶ֤ה דֹודִי֙ וְזֶ֣ה רֵעִ֔י ×‘Ö°Ö¼× Ö¹Ö–×•×ª יְרוּשָ×�לִָֽ×�׃ "
Read as : "ḥik-k�w mam-ṯaq-qîm, wə-ḵul-l�w ma-ḥă-mad-dîm;
zeh ��-w-�î wə-zeh rê-‘î, bə-n�-wṯ yə-rū-š�-lim. "
like many other names in the bible like fatos converted to petros and then peter
Muhammed + im = mohamed with respect as im is the plural of respect and it was translated into English all together lovely
Song of Songs 5:16New International Version (NIV)
16
His mouth is sweetness itself;
he is altogether lovely.
This is my beloved, this is my friend,
Hebrew text : " חִכֹּו֙ מַֽמְתַקִּ֔י×� וְכֻלֹּ֖ו מַחֲמַדִּ֑י×� זֶ֤ה דֹודִי֙ וְזֶ֣ה רֵעִ֔י ×‘Ö°Ö¼× Ö¹Ö–×•×ª יְרוּשָ×�לִָֽ×�׃ "
Read as : "ḥik-k�w mam-ṯaq-qîm, wə-ḵul-l�w ma-ḥă-mad-dîm;
zeh ��-w-�î wə-zeh rê-‘î, bə-n�-wṯ yə-rū-š�-lim. "
like many other names in the bible like fatos converted to petros and then peter
Muhammed + im = mohamed with respect as im is the plural of respect and it was translated into English all together lovely
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Re: Was Prophet Muhammad Mentioned In Bible ?!
Post #4[Replying to post 3 by mms20102]
Well, I'm not familiar with this claim, but came across this rubuttal on the internet
I did check in my concordance and sure enough the expression in English "Altogether lovely" doesn't have the same meaning as "Mohamed" and I don't need anyone to tell me that they stem from two different (if related) languages. Mohamed evidently is not a transliteration of the Hebrew "machmad" (lovely/delightful) which is not a name anyway. So given the above it seems like a rather flimsey and unconvincing claim to me. What next? The claim that the Hebrews invented the automobile because their word for gate -- Cuwr -- looks a lot like the English word "Car"?
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Well, I'm not familiar with this claim, but came across this rubuttal on the internet
"The meaning of the Hebrew ma-kha-madeem is different from the meaning of the word “Muhammad� in Arabic. According to Sheikh Abd al-Azîz, Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, the word “Muhammad� is derived from the Arabic root word hamd meaning “praise.� It is the emphatic passive participle of that root and can be translated as “the Oft-Praised One� (n.d.). However, the Hebrew term (makh-mahd) in the passage under consideration has a completely different meaning. It refers to “grace, beauty� (Gesenius, 1847, p. 464), “a desirable thing, delightfulness� (Brown, et al., 1906, pp. 326-327), “a pleasant thing� (Payne, 1980, 1:295), or “precious� (Holladay, 1988, p. 190). English translations render the term “altogether lovely� (NKJV, NIV), “wholly desirable� (NASB), and “altogether desirable� (ESV, RSV). No reputable English translation would render the underlying Hebrew as “praised one,� let alone as “Muhammad.�
All Muslims have done is happen upon a Hebrew word that phonetically sounds somewhat like “Muhammad� and have erroneously concluded the word must be referring to him. Such handling of linguistic data is irresponsible—if not deceptive.
source: http://www.apologeticspress.org/APConte ... ticle=4749
I did check in my concordance and sure enough the expression in English "Altogether lovely" doesn't have the same meaning as "Mohamed" and I don't need anyone to tell me that they stem from two different (if related) languages. Mohamed evidently is not a transliteration of the Hebrew "machmad" (lovely/delightful) which is not a name anyway. So given the above it seems like a rather flimsey and unconvincing claim to me. What next? The claim that the Hebrews invented the automobile because their word for gate -- Cuwr -- looks a lot like the English word "Car"?
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Post #5I for one could only wish that this interpretation held up. That would be delightful. It does not though, I am afraid.mms20102 wrote: [Replying to post 2 by Elijah John]
Song of Songs 5:16New International Version (NIV)
16
His mouth is sweetness itself;
he is altogether lovely.
This is my beloved, this is my friend,
Hebrew text : " חִכֹּו֙ מַֽמְתַקִּ֔י×� וְכֻלֹּ֖ו מַחֲמַדִּ֑י×� זֶ֤ה דֹודִי֙ וְזֶ֣ה רֵעִ֔י ×‘Ö°Ö¼× Ö¹Ö–×•×ª יְרוּשָ×�לִָֽ×�׃ "
Read as : "ḥik-k�w mam-ṯaq-qîm, wə-ḵul-l�w ma-ḥă-mad-dîm;
zeh ��-w-�î wə-zeh rê-‘î, bə-n�-wṯ yə-rū-š�-lim. "
like many other names in the bible like fatos converted to petros and then peter
Muhammed + im = mohamed with respect as im is the plural of respect and it was translated into English all together lovely
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this." -- Albert Einstein -- Written in 1954 to Jewish philosopher Erik Gutkind.
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Post #6I agree, it's quite a stretch. The OP mentions "verses" plural. mm do you have any others? So far, unconvinced.Tired of the Nonsense wrote:I for one could only wish that this interpretation held up. That would be delightful. It does not though, I am afraid.mms20102 wrote: [Replying to post 2 by Elijah John]
Song of Songs 5:16New International Version (NIV)
16
His mouth is sweetness itself;
he is altogether lovely.
This is my beloved, this is my friend,
Hebrew text : " חִכֹּו֙ מַֽמְתַקִּ֔י×� וְכֻלֹּ֖ו מַחֲמַדִּ֑י×� זֶ֤ה דֹודִי֙ וְזֶ֣ה רֵעִ֔י ×‘Ö°Ö¼× Ö¹Ö–×•×ª יְרוּשָ×�לִָֽ×�׃ "
Read as : "ḥik-k�w mam-ṯaq-qîm, wə-ḵul-l�w ma-ḥă-mad-dîm;
zeh ��-w-�î wə-zeh rê-‘î, bə-n�-wṯ yə-rū-š�-lim. "
like many other names in the bible like fatos converted to petros and then peter
Muhammed + im = mohamed with respect as im is the plural of respect and it was translated into English all together lovely
But even if Muhammad is not mentioned in the Bible, that does not in and of itself invalidate Islam.
Christians also tend to make forced interpretation of the OT. Not necessary. The teachings of Jesus likewise do not depend on their being fortold by previous Scripture. But Islam, and Christianity stand (or should stand) on their own merits, without necessary appeal to "prophecy".
But "old" Scripture is important for context, confirmation, and as launching pads for new ideas, new revelations, and new interpretations. However these are another matters, the ways the old are relevant to the new..
My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Post #7mms20102 wrote: some verses in bible mentioned muhammad the prophet by name some people say its not true in this debate we need to know whether he was or was not mentioned
The nearest appropriate reference would be in Matthew 24:11
"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many."
I'd guess this is the verse most Christians would refer to.
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Post #9Some verses? What verse exactly? Name 1, please.mms20102 wrote: some verses in bible mentioned muhammad the prophet by name some people say its not true in this debate we need to know whether he was or was not mentioned
You were sold a lie.
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Post #10mms20102 wrote: some verses in bible mentioned muhammad the prophet by name some people say its not true in this debate we need to know whether he was or was not mentioned
There is a reference in the NT that says after Christ's departure from earth that God will send a helper in the future which Muslims claim is Mohammad and Christians state is the Holy Spirit.........