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Important characteristics of Christianity

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OpenYourEyes wrote: if you probed deeper you'd find out that the differences are not that great when it comes to the important characteristics of Christianity. For instance, the overwhelming majority of Christian denominations believe in the divinity of Christ, the resurrection, the nature of God, the authority of Scripture, they share the same Bible canon, etc. Dividing over what day to worship, as Seventh-day Adventists are distinguished for has little impact on understanding the core messages of Christianity.
Which important characteristics/core messages do the majority of Christians agree upon?

Which are crucial when it comes to determining whether someone is a true Christian and saved?

Are these things listed by OpenYourEyes crucial for salvation?

Belief in:
- the divinity of Christ
- the resurrection

Do the majority of Christians agree on...
- the nature of god?
- the authority of scripture?
- which versions of the bible to use?

Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.

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Re: Important characteristics of Christianity

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Yahu wrote:
Most if not all translations are bias by the doctrines and contextual understanding of the translators. That is why using multiple translations is advisable.
So from your perspective there's not even one trustworthy translation that would stand on its own?

Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.

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Elijah John wrote: Things that all Christians, unitarian and trinitarian alike, agree on, or should be able to agree on:

-The importance and supremacy of the Bible as the main source of Spiritual inspiration, if not it's infallibility
How do you personally see the bible in this respect?
Elijah John wrote: -The Ten Commandments
The 10 commandments say to keep the sabbath (Saturday) holy. Do the majority of Christians believe it important to keep the sabbath holy?
Elijah John wrote: - Jesus as the most important prophet at the very least, if not the 2nd person of the Trinity.
Ok, so when it comes to the nature of God we already have a huge disagreement. Some say Jesus is only an important prophet, others say he IS God. And some would say he is the SON of God.

What stance do you take?
Elijah John wrote: -The teachings of Jesus, especially the Golden Rule
Is keeping the golden rule crucial to consider oneself saved or a "true Christian"?

What other teachings of Jesus can you think of that would be agreed upon by the majority of Christians as crucial?

Elijah John wrote: and the Lord's prayer.
I've been a part of many Christian churches throughout my life. Only one church ever prayed the lord's prayer and that was a presbyterian/Anglican one.

Is praying the lord's prayer crucial for Christians?

Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.

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Re: Important characteristics of Christianity

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OnceConvinced wrote:
Checkpoint wrote:
Your other question was:
When it comes to bible authority, what would you say most Christians would believe?:
A) It's God's infallible word
B) It's God inspired, but contains human errors
c) Other
Most Christians would either believe A) or B).

Generally, fundamentalists and evangelicals believe A) and main-liners believe B).
So would you agree there is definitely some major disagreement then on bible authority?
Hard to say whether it is major or not. Most Catholics and Orthodox probably go for A rather than B.

It is more an individual matter rather than a denominational one,

Who knows what % are for A and what % opt for B.

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OpenYourEyes wrote:
Just to elaborate on what was quoted about me. Christians don't believe that the God of the OT is a moral monster, they don't believe that Christian doctrine is sexist, they don't believe that the nature/attributes of God conflict with each other or with logic, etc, etc.
I am not asking what Christians don't believe, but what they DO believe... and how much of that most agree upon.

But let's go with those negatives for a moment. If a Chrisitian were to exhibit even one of those beliefs would that make him a false Christian?

Is it crucial that a Christian reject all those notions?

OpenYourEyes wrote: These beliefs are common across all real Christian denominations and of course they're more than needed to retain a stable belief in Christendom.
You need to clarify some a little more though.

What about the nature of God is agreed upon by the majority of Christians?
What about bible authority is agreed upon by the majority of Christians?
In what way is Jesus divine?

Others here have also made some comments about what most Christians agree on. Here are some. Do you agree these are crucial characteristics of Christianity?

1) Must obey the golden rule
2) Must recite the lord's prayer
3) Must see Jesus as their saviour
4) Must believe in the trinity
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Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.

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Checkpoint wrote:
OnceConvinced wrote:
Checkpoint wrote:
Your other question was:
When it comes to bible authority, what would you say most Christians would believe?:
A) It's God's infallible word
B) It's God inspired, but contains human errors
c) Other
Most Christians would either believe A) or B).

Generally, fundamentalists and evangelicals believe A) and main-liners believe B).
So would you agree there is definitely some major disagreement then on bible authority?
Hard to say whether it is major or not. Most Catholics and Orthodox probably go for A rather than B.

It is more an individual matter rather than a denominational one,

Who knows what % are for A and what % opt for B.
What do you believe yourself?

Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.

Prayer is like rubbing an old bottle and hoping that a genie will pop out and grant you three wishes.

There is much about this world that is mind boggling and impressive, but I see no need whatsoever to put it down to magical super powered beings.


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OnceConvinced wrote:
Checkpoint wrote:
OnceConvinced wrote:
Checkpoint wrote:
Your other question was:
When it comes to bible authority, what would you say most Christians would believe?:
A) It's God's infallible word
B) It's God inspired, but contains human errors
c) Other
Most Christians would either believe A) or B).

Generally, fundamentalists and evangelicals believe A) and main-liners believe B).
So would you agree there is definitely some major disagreement then on bible authority?
Hard to say whether it is major or not. Most Catholics and Orthodox probably go for A rather than B.

It is more an individual matter rather than a denominational one,

Who knows what % are for A and what % opt for B.
What do you believe yourself?
I believe A).

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OnceConvinced wrote:
Elijah John wrote: Things that all Christians, unitarian and trinitarian alike, agree on, or should be able to agree on:

-The importance and supremacy of the Bible as the main source of Spiritual inspiration, if not it's infallibility
How do you personally see the bible in this respect?
I take the Bible seriously as Spiritual inspiration, not literally. I think the Bible was inspired by God, not dictated by Him.
OnceConvinced wrote:
Elijah John wrote: -The Ten Commandments
The 10 commandments say to keep the sabbath (Saturday) holy. Do the majority of Christians believe it important to keep the sabbath holy?
Not as Holy as Orthodox Jews do, and most Christians observe it on Sunday, not Saturday. Many usually attend services on Sunday at the very least, not all refrain from work.

OnceConvinced wrote:
Elijah John wrote: - Jesus as the most important prophet at the very least, if not the 2nd person of the Trinity.
Ok, so when it comes to the nature of God we already have a huge disagreement. Some say Jesus is only an important prophet, others say he IS God. And some would say he is the SON of God.

What stance do you take?
Trinitarias consider Jesus to be "God", Jehovah's Witnesses, Christadelphians, unitarians (small "u" unitarian, as opposed to UUs) and various "free-lancers" and "heretics" do not.

We consider the Father alone to be God.

I see Jesus as the most important prophet, but not as "God". Jesus was completely human.
OnceConvinced wrote:
Elijah John wrote: -The teachings of Jesus, especially the Golden Rule
Is keeping the golden rule crucial to consider oneself saved or a "true Christian"?

What other teachings of Jesus can you think of that would be agreed upon by the majority of Christians as crucial?
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His teachings on the Father's mercy. The importance of repentance. The ethics of the Sermon on the Mount, and the Parables. The necessity of inner devotion to God, not merely external observance.
OnceConvinced wrote:
Elijah John wrote: and the Lord's prayer.
I've been a part of many Christian churches throughout my life. Only one church ever prayed the lord's prayer and that was a presbyterian/Anglican one.
Roman Catholics, Anglicans, Episcopalians, Methodists, Eastern Orthodox combined make ups the vast majority of worldwide Christians, they are all Creedal, liturgical churches. They all recite the Lord's prayer as part of the mass (service). I was not aware that Presbyterians recited it as well.

The fact that the churches you've attended in the past that omitted the Lord's prayer, makes me think you attended Evangelical Churches, which seem to consider the teachings of John and Paul as more important than the teaching of Jesus as found in Matthew and Luke. John and Paul did not teach the Lord's prayer, Matthew and Luke's Jesus did.
OnceConvinced wrote: Is praying the lord's prayer crucial for Christians?
I think so, it is the prayer that Jesus taught when his disciples asked him how to pray.

But the Lord's prayer can be considered a model for prayer, not necessarily a word for word mandate.

Thanks for the questions OC.
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-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.

I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.

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OnceConvinced wrote:
OpenYourEyes wrote: if you probed deeper you'd find out that the differences are not that great when it comes to the important characteristics of Christianity. For instance, the overwhelming majority of Christian denominations believe in the divinity of Christ, the resurrection, the nature of God, the authority of Scripture, they share the same Bible canon, etc. Dividing over what day to worship, as Seventh-day Adventists are distinguished for has little impact on understanding the core messages of Christianity.
Which important characteristics/core messages do the majority of Christians agree upon?

Which are crucial when it comes to determining whether someone is a true Christian and saved?

Are these things listed by OpenYourEyes crucial for salvation?

Belief in:
- the divinity of Christ
- the resurrection

Do the majority of Christians agree on...
- the nature of god?
- the authority of scripture?
- which versions of the bible to use?
But you are an atheist!

I came here to escape all the bombardment....
Isn't Theology Doctrine and Dogma for Christians only discussion?

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Monta wrote:
But you are an atheist!

I came here to escape all the bombardment....
Isn't Theology Doctrine and Dogma for Christians only discussion?
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My theological positions:

-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.

I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.

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[Replying to post 1 by OnceConvinced]

In the bible Jesus is reported as saying the chief characteristic of Christianity would be love. Most Christians accept that this to be the case.

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