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Figure 16: Male and Female Birds. Even evolutionists admit that evolution seems incompatible with sexual reproduction. For example, how could organisms evolve to the point where they could reproduce before they could reproduce?

If sexual reproduction in plants, animals, and humans is a result of evolutionary sequences, an unbelievable series of chance events must have occurred at each stage.

a. The amazingly complex, radically different, yet complementary reproductive systems of the male and female must have completely and independently evolved at each stage about the same time and place. Just a slight incompleteness in only one of the two at any stage would make both reproductive systems useless, and the organism would become extinct.

b. The physical, chemical, and emotional systems of the male and female would also need to be compatible.a

c. The millions of complex products of a male reproductive system (pollen or sperm) must have an affinity for and a mechanical, chemical,b and electricalc compatibility with the eggs of the female reproductive system.

d. The many intricate processes occurring at the molecular level inside the fertilized egg would have to work with fantastic precision—processes that scientists can describe only in a general sense.d

e. The environment of this fertilized egg, from conception through adulthood and until it also reproduced with another sexually capable adult (who also “accidentally� evolved), would have to be tightly controlled.

f. This remarkable string of “accidents� must have been repeated for millions of species.

Either this series of incredible and complementary events happened by random, evolutionary processes, or sexual reproduction was designed by intelligence.

Furthermore, if sexual reproduction evolved even once, the steps by which an embryo becomes either a male or female should be similar for all animals. Actually, these steps vary among animals.e

Evolution theory predicts nature would select asexual rather than sexual reproduction.f But if asexual reproduction (splitting an organism into two identical organisms) evolved before sexual reproduction, how did complex sexual diversity arise—or survive?

If life evolved, why would any form of life live long beyond its reproductive age, when beneficial changes cannot be passed on? All the energy expended, supposedly over millions of years, to allow organisms to live beyond reproductive age would be a waste. For example, Why do human females live past menopause? If there is no potential for reproduction, then according to evolution, there is no evolutionary reason to exist.

Finally, to produce the first life form would be one miracle. But for natural processes to produce life that could reproduce itself would be a miracle on top of a miracle.g

a . In humans and in all mammals, a mother’s immune system, contrary to its normal function, must learn not to attack her unborn baby—half of whom is a “foreign body� from the father. If these immune systems functioned “properly,� mammals—including each of us—would not exist.

The mysterious lack of rejection of the fetus has puzzled generations of reproductive immunologists and no comprehensive explanation has yet emerged. [Charles A. Janeway Jr. et al., Immuno Biology (London: Current Biology Limited, 1997), p. 12:24.]

b . N. W. Pixie, “Boring Sperm,� Nature, Vol. 351, 27 June 1991, p. 704.

c . Meredith Gould and Jose Luis Stephano, “Electrical Responses of Eggs to Acrosomal Protein Similar to Those Induced by Sperm,� Science, Vol. 235, 27 March 1987, pp. 1654–1656.

u “When egg meets sperm in mammals, zinc sparks fly. ... [They] are needed to stimulate the transition from egg to embryo.� Ashley Yeager, “Images Reveal Secrets of Zinc Sparks,� Science News, Vol. 187, 10 January 2015, p. 14.

d . For example, how could meiosis evolve?

e . “But the sex-determination genes in the fruit fly and the nematode are completely unrelated to each other, let alone to those in mammals.� Jean Marx, “Tracing How the Sexes Develop,� Science, Vol. 269, 29 September 1955, p. 1822.

f . “This book is written from a conviction that the prevalence of sexual reproduction in higher plants and animals is inconsistent with current evolutionary theory.� George C. Williams, Sex and Evolution (Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 1975), p. v.

u “So why is there sex? We do not have a compelling answer to the question. Despite some ingenious suggestions by orthodox Darwinians (notably G. C. Williams, 1975; John Maynard Smith, 1978), there is no convincing Darwinian history for the emergence of sexual reproduction. However, evolutionary theorists believe that the problem will be solved without abandoning the main Darwinian insights—just as early nineteenth-century astronomers believed that the problem of the motion of Uranus could be overcome without major modification of Newton’s celestial mechanics.� Philip Kitcher, Abusing Science: The Case Against Creationism (Cambridge, Massachusetts: The MIT Press, 1982), p. 54.

u “The evolution of sex is one of the major unsolved problems of biology. Even those with enough hubris to publish on the topic often freely admit that they have little idea of how sex originated or is maintained. It is enough to give heart to creationists.� Michael Rose, “Slap and Tickle in the Primeval Soup,� New Scientist, Vol. 112, 30 October 1986, p. 55.

u “Indeed, the persistence of sex is one of the fundamental mysteries in evolutionary biology today.� Gina Maranto and Shannon Brownlee, “Why Sex?� Discover, February 1984, p. 24.

u “Sex is something of an embarrassment to evolutionary biologists. Textbooks understandably skirt the issue, keeping it a closely guarded secret.� Kathleen McAuliffe, “Why We Have Sex,� Omni, December 1983, p. 18.

u “From an evolutionary viewpoint the sex differentiation is impossible to understand, as well as the structural sexual differences between the systematic categories which are sometimes immense. We know that intersexes [organisms that are partly male and partly female] within a species must be sterile. How is it, then, possible to imagine bridges between two amazingly different structural types?� Nilsson, p. 1225.

u “One idea those attending the sex symposium seemed to agree on is that no one knows why sex persists.� [According to evolution, it should not.] Gardiner Morse, “Why Is Sex?� Science News, Vol. 126, 8 September 1984, p. 155.

g . “In the discipline of developmental biology, creationist and mechanist concur except on just one point—a work of art, a machine or a body which can reproduce itself cannot first make itself.� Pitman, p. 135.

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I marvel at the propensity of Theists to discuss the unknown as though they KNOW after reading ancient texts and having emotional experiences.

Unless we were astrophysicists (with extensive background of study) there would be NO reason to discuss at length the origin of the universe. Unless were evolutionary biologists (with extensive background of study) there would be no reason to discuss origin of life.

UNLESS some people attempt to claim credit for their favorite gods doing both. Of course they cannot show verifiable evidence that gods were involved. Their claims involve no actual study of origins – only study of ancient texts and perhaps "study" of science via television and creationist websites. A thread entitled "Cognitive Dissonance" http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... hp?t=30572 may apply.

BUT they set their ancient beliefs based on ignorance characteristic of 2000 years ago against modern knowledge based upon study. Human knowledge is said to be doubling every year or two but some insist that their ancient tales are equal to what is now known and/or studied by millions of researchers worldwide.
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If we want "falsifiable" claims, then the claim regarding ERV's should be suitable.

If we find examples of ERV's that don't match our predictions, that would be a DEVASTATING blow against evolution.

But we all know that Creationists won't even try to see where this line of thinking leads, because the possibility that evolution will stand tall at the end of it is terrifying enough they don't want to take that risk. So don't expect Creationists to run these experiments or make predictions of their own. That would require THEM to be falsifiable.

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Isn’t it absurd for evolutionists to ridicule creationists for believing God made everything out of nothing while evolutionists maintain that somehow nothing turned itself into everything?
If I grant your point, will you then agree that your god beliefs (whatever they are) are also as absurd, without evidence and hence, belief in them cannot be justified?
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Zzyzx wrote: .
I marvel at the propensity of Theists to discuss the unknown as though they KNOW after reading ancient texts and having emotional experiences.
Assuming by ancient texts you are referring to the Bible, there is evidence is was authored by God:

1. Archaeology confirms the historical accuracy of the Bible:

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/the_rocks_cry_out.html
http://christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a008.html
http://www.christiananswers.net/archaeology/home.html
http://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/the-bi ... cal-record
http://www.biblestudysite.com/arch.htm

2. The Bible is not a science book, yet is scientifically accurate:

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/scienti ... bible.html
http://www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml

3. The Bible is filled with hundreds of accurately fulfilled prophecies:

http://www.100prophecies.com/
http://www.raptureforums.com/BibleProph ... stdays.cfm
http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/
http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/bible ... filled.htm
http://www.reasons.org/fulfilled-prophe ... lity-bible
http://www.allabouttruth.org/Bible-Prophecy.htm

No other book, religious or secular, comes close to those requirements.

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Neatras wrote: If we want "falsifiable" claims, then the claim regarding ERV's should be suitable.

If we find examples of ERV's that don't match our predictions, that would be a DEVASTATING blow against evolution.

But we all know that Creationists won't even try to see where this line of thinking leads, because the possibility that evolution will stand tall at the end of it is terrifying enough they don't want to take that risk. So don't expect Creationists to run these experiments or make predictions of their own. That would require THEM to be falsifiable.
What are ERVs?

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rikuoamero wrote: [Replying to post 50 by Pahu]
Isn’t it absurd for evolutionists to ridicule creationists for believing God made everything out of nothing while evolutionists maintain that somehow nothing turned itself into everything?
If I grant your point, will you then agree that your god beliefs (whatever they are) are also as absurd, without evidence and hence, belief in them cannot be justified?
There is evidence for the existence of God:

Before the universe existed there was nothing from which it appeared, which is impossible by any natural cause. Therefor the cause of the universe was supernatural, proving the existence of God. For details, go here:

http://www.alwaysbeready.com/index.php? ... &Itemid=71
http://www.apologeticspress.ws/articles/1762
http://www.alwaysbeready.com/index.php? ... cle&id=137
http://www.existence-of-god.com/first-c ... ument.html
http://www.existence-of-god.com/existence-of-god.html
http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html

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Therefor the cause of the universe was supernatural, proving the existence of God.
You're taking a giant leap from A to who knows where. Even if I grant that the cause of the universe was supernatural, you've taken a giant leap to then having that mean that that cause is the God you believe in, the God of the Bible and Christianity.

What you did there is like me saying "It was a 6 foot tall man who broke into the room" and you then saying "It MUST have been my cousin Larry!"
Your cousin Larry isn't the only 6 foot tall man around.
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ERV's, or Endogenous Retroviruses, are the remains of retroviral infections. They're like fossils of viruses preserved in living creatures!

Normally, a retrovirus will inject its RNA-based sequence into a cell and hijack the nucleus, telling the cell to reproduce the virus automatically. However, if it infects an egg/sperm cell, it can be rendered inactive, and actually become an 'endogenous' component of the host's genome. Additionally, it will pass down to all future generations sired by the host.

To put it more eloquently, once a retrovirus attaches to the DNA of a sperm/egg cell, there's a chance that it will become a natural component of the genome for all descendants.

ERV's cannot be removed once added to the genome, and the site at which they are injected is chosen randomly. So, we come to the crux of the matter.

If we find ERV's in our genome, what would it mean if we also found matches in other primates? That is, what if we found ERV's in the exact same relative location in the genome? That would imply common ancestry; that an ancestor of ours contracted the ERV, and went on to be the ancestor for humans and other primates.

So, given that, what did scientists do when they looked at our ENTIRE GENOME?

They found that the vast majority of ERV's we have are perfect matches. And just to put that into perspective, about 8% of your genome is comprised of ERV's. That's over 200,000.

"No evidence for evolution" my foot. Creationists have no answer to ERV's. At least not one that is based in reality.

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rikuoamero wrote: [Replying to post 56 by Pahu]
Therefor the cause of the universe was supernatural, proving the existence of God.
You're taking a giant leap from A to who knows where. Even if I grant that the cause of the universe was supernatural, you've taken a giant leap to then having that mean that that cause is the God you believe in, the God of the Bible and Christianity.
It might be a giant leap if the Bible was not authored by God. There is evidence it was:

1. Archaeology confirms the historical accuracy of the Bible:

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/the_rocks_cry_out.html
http://christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a008.html
http://www.christiananswers.net/archaeology/home.html
http://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/the-bi ... cal-record
http://www.biblestudysite.com/arch.htm

2. The Bible is not a science book, yet is scientifically accurate:

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/scienti ... bible.html
http://www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml

3. The Bible is filled with hundreds of accurately fulfilled prophecies:

http://www.100prophecies.com/
http://www.raptureforums.com/BibleProph ... stdays.cfm
http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/
http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/bible ... filled.htm
http://www.reasons.org/fulfilled-prophe ... lity-bible
http://www.allabouttruth.org/Bible-Prophecy.htm

No other book, religious or secular, comes close to those requirements.

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Neatras wrote: [Replying to post 55 by Pahu]

ERV's, or Endogenous Retroviruses, are the remains of retroviral infections. They're like fossils of viruses preserved in living creatures!

Normally, a retrovirus will inject its RNA-based sequence into a cell and hijack the nucleus, telling the cell to reproduce the virus automatically. However, if it infects an egg/sperm cell, it can be rendered inactive, and actually become an 'endogenous' component of the host's genome. Additionally, it will pass down to all future generations sired by the host.

To put it more eloquently, once a retrovirus attaches to the DNA of a sperm/egg cell, there's a chance that it will become a natural component of the genome for all descendants.

ERV's cannot be removed once added to the genome, and the site at which they are injected is chosen randomly. So, we come to the crux of the matter.

If we find ERV's in our genome, what would it mean if we also found matches in other primates? That is, what if we found ERV's in the exact same relative location in the genome? That would imply common ancestry; that an ancestor of ours contracted the ERV, and went on to be the ancestor for humans and other primates.

So, given that, what did scientists do when they looked at our ENTIRE GENOME?

They found that the vast majority of ERV's we have are perfect matches. And just to put that into perspective, about 8% of your genome is comprised of ERV's. That's over 200,000.

"No evidence for evolution" my foot. Creationists have no answer to ERV's. At least not one that is based in reality.
Actually, science has dealt with that question and found it does not prove evolution:

Evolutionists have long claimed that human chromosomes were infected with many different viruses over millions of years, which then multiplied in the genome. Then, as some of these sections of virus-like DNA were shown to be functional, evolutionists claimed they had become "tamed" like the domestication of wild animals. When virus-like DNA were first discovered, it was thought the majority of them would prove to be junk—until now.

DNA sequences called endogenous retroviruses (ERVs) are abundant in mammalian genomes. The ERV sequences initially got their name because they showed strong sequence similarity to known viruses. Then evolutionists proclaimed the animal genomes evolved to their present state, in part by repeated infection with viruses initially deemed part of an organism's "junk" DNA.

As research on ERVs progressed, it became apparent that many of these genomic features are not junk, but important for the mammal's survival, such as placental development.1 Many other ERVs were found to be specifically regulated by cell type.2 These ERVs contain special sequences that act like genetic switches in the genome by binding regulatory proteins (transcription factors) that control genes.2

Now a new study shows many other ERVs across the genome play key roles in controlling immune responses, another important process necessary for the survival of mammals.3 More specifically, this new research shows that ERVs regulate genes that produce pro-inflammatory signaling molecules released upon infection. This crucial system is called the innate immune response and genes regulated by ERVs associated with this biological network are called innate immunity factors. When ERV elements associated with these genes were inactivated in the laboratory, the production of innate immunity factors stopped—a simple but elegant experiment unequivocally demonstrating functionality. Obviously a mammal would get sick and have difficulty surviving without ERVs regulating their genome.

In a recent article, I go into more detail about ERVs and why the evolutionary story is completely backwards when it comes to explaining their presence in the genome.4 In brief, these elements are clearly part of the original created genomic blueprint for each creature and not the result of numerous viral infestations over eons of time. As I and several other creationist researchers have proposed, it's far more likely that ERVs were part of God's original genomic blueprint for different kinds of animals and humans, and that external viral genomes were derived from human and animal ERVs only after God cursed the creation for man's sin. This began a process of degeneration and corruption, yet His amazing handiwork is still seen in fully functional genomes.

http://www.icr.org/article/viral-genome ... its-trash/

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