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Here are the words straight from Jesus (supposedly)
Mark 16;16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned
Notice that the ONLY requirements to be saved are believe and baptized PERIOD.
Believe WHAT?
Baptized by who, how?
There is NO mention of following commandments, praying, avoiding sin, repentance, forgiveness, worship, or anything else (not even love one another " or enemies). Just believe and be baptized.
Where do all the other requirements come from since they are not from Jesus?
Did he change his mind and say different things at other times?
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved
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Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved
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ANY of the thousands of "gods" proposed, imagined, worshiped, loved, feared, and/or fought over by humans MAY exist -- awaiting verifiable evidence
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ANY of the thousands of "gods" proposed, imagined, worshiped, loved, feared, and/or fought over by humans MAY exist -- awaiting verifiable evidence
Post #31
Zzyzx wrote: .The way it "should work" is NOT how it DOES work in real life.Saved75 wrote:That's the way it should work,Zzyzx wrote: Thus, Christian / Missionary hospitals that teach about God and pray should have a phenomenal record of curing ill and injured patients with God's help -- FAR better than secular hospitals that presumably do not pray, teach, seek God's help. Right?
Is that the way it works out in real life?
Perhaps there is a BIG mistake being made by those who talk about how "it should work"
I credit people with knowing that religious hospitals do not have a vastly better record of successfully treating illnesses and injuries than do non-religious hospitals.Saved75 wrote: So if we preach, teach or speak about healing from the Bible, God will confirm it with healing's.
How can that be IF religious hospitals are receiving supernatural / divine help? Are they really terrible hospitals that are pulled up to average with God's help?
Christians should be careful about claiming to receive God's help when they are only about average and do not perform (whatever) better than Non-Christians (except perhaps in their imagination).
There is a difference between Christianity and Religion.
A religious hospital wouldn't have the power of God in them.
Post #32
Divine Insight wrote:This argument fails for precisely the reasons that Zzyzx has given.Saved75 wrote: Any Christian can and should lay hands on the sick, and the promise is, The sick shall recover. But the sick person has to have faith to be healed as well as the Christian who is ministering healing.
No one can just walk into a hospital and heal the sick, without teaching what the Bible says about healing, as faith come by hearing what God says about healing.
So we can teach on healing and as the sick believe, we can have a great time healing the sick by God's power.
Even if Christians could only heal Christians that too would be extremely noticeable, measurable, and in the news!
Moreover, if Christians are able to heal sick Christians because of their belief then why do Christians themselves who are believers ever become sick?
Clearly this religion is a fraud. There can be no doubt about it.
The claims of this religious dogma are clearly false. Period.
To deny this can only be a serious act of refusing to face the truth.
Even Jesus couldn't heal the people who didn't believe, so you can't but all the blame on Christians.
Not every Christian has the knowledge to receive healing, and faith comes by knowing God's will, so those Christians who don't know God's will, are just hoping that God might heal them some day.
And they believe that God might heal them if it's His will or His time to heal them.
So where is the faith in that attatude.
It's quite clear that you don't believe the Bible.

