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Figure 16: Male and Female Birds. Even evolutionists admit that evolution seems incompatible with sexual reproduction. For example, how could organisms evolve to the point where they could reproduce before they could reproduce?

If sexual reproduction in plants, animals, and humans is a result of evolutionary sequences, an unbelievable series of chance events must have occurred at each stage.

a. The amazingly complex, radically different, yet complementary reproductive systems of the male and female must have completely and independently evolved at each stage about the same time and place. Just a slight incompleteness in only one of the two at any stage would make both reproductive systems useless, and the organism would become extinct.

b. The physical, chemical, and emotional systems of the male and female would also need to be compatible.a

c. The millions of complex products of a male reproductive system (pollen or sperm) must have an affinity for and a mechanical, chemical,b and electricalc compatibility with the eggs of the female reproductive system.

d. The many intricate processes occurring at the molecular level inside the fertilized egg would have to work with fantastic precision—processes that scientists can describe only in a general sense.d

e. The environment of this fertilized egg, from conception through adulthood and until it also reproduced with another sexually capable adult (who also “accidentally� evolved), would have to be tightly controlled.

f. This remarkable string of “accidents� must have been repeated for millions of species.

Either this series of incredible and complementary events happened by random, evolutionary processes, or sexual reproduction was designed by intelligence.

Furthermore, if sexual reproduction evolved even once, the steps by which an embryo becomes either a male or female should be similar for all animals. Actually, these steps vary among animals.e

Evolution theory predicts nature would select asexual rather than sexual reproduction.f But if asexual reproduction (splitting an organism into two identical organisms) evolved before sexual reproduction, how did complex sexual diversity arise—or survive?

If life evolved, why would any form of life live long beyond its reproductive age, when beneficial changes cannot be passed on? All the energy expended, supposedly over millions of years, to allow organisms to live beyond reproductive age would be a waste. For example, Why do human females live past menopause? If there is no potential for reproduction, then according to evolution, there is no evolutionary reason to exist.

Finally, to produce the first life form would be one miracle. But for natural processes to produce life that could reproduce itself would be a miracle on top of a miracle.g

a . In humans and in all mammals, a mother’s immune system, contrary to its normal function, must learn not to attack her unborn baby—half of whom is a “foreign body� from the father. If these immune systems functioned “properly,� mammals—including each of us—would not exist.

The mysterious lack of rejection of the fetus has puzzled generations of reproductive immunologists and no comprehensive explanation has yet emerged. [Charles A. Janeway Jr. et al., Immuno Biology (London: Current Biology Limited, 1997), p. 12:24.]

b . N. W. Pixie, “Boring Sperm,� Nature, Vol. 351, 27 June 1991, p. 704.

c . Meredith Gould and Jose Luis Stephano, “Electrical Responses of Eggs to Acrosomal Protein Similar to Those Induced by Sperm,� Science, Vol. 235, 27 March 1987, pp. 1654–1656.

u “When egg meets sperm in mammals, zinc sparks fly. ... [They] are needed to stimulate the transition from egg to embryo.� Ashley Yeager, “Images Reveal Secrets of Zinc Sparks,� Science News, Vol. 187, 10 January 2015, p. 14.

d . For example, how could meiosis evolve?

e . “But the sex-determination genes in the fruit fly and the nematode are completely unrelated to each other, let alone to those in mammals.� Jean Marx, “Tracing How the Sexes Develop,� Science, Vol. 269, 29 September 1955, p. 1822.

f . “This book is written from a conviction that the prevalence of sexual reproduction in higher plants and animals is inconsistent with current evolutionary theory.� George C. Williams, Sex and Evolution (Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 1975), p. v.

u “So why is there sex? We do not have a compelling answer to the question. Despite some ingenious suggestions by orthodox Darwinians (notably G. C. Williams, 1975; John Maynard Smith, 1978), there is no convincing Darwinian history for the emergence of sexual reproduction. However, evolutionary theorists believe that the problem will be solved without abandoning the main Darwinian insights—just as early nineteenth-century astronomers believed that the problem of the motion of Uranus could be overcome without major modification of Newton’s celestial mechanics.� Philip Kitcher, Abusing Science: The Case Against Creationism (Cambridge, Massachusetts: The MIT Press, 1982), p. 54.

u “The evolution of sex is one of the major unsolved problems of biology. Even those with enough hubris to publish on the topic often freely admit that they have little idea of how sex originated or is maintained. It is enough to give heart to creationists.� Michael Rose, “Slap and Tickle in the Primeval Soup,� New Scientist, Vol. 112, 30 October 1986, p. 55.

u “Indeed, the persistence of sex is one of the fundamental mysteries in evolutionary biology today.� Gina Maranto and Shannon Brownlee, “Why Sex?� Discover, February 1984, p. 24.

u “Sex is something of an embarrassment to evolutionary biologists. Textbooks understandably skirt the issue, keeping it a closely guarded secret.� Kathleen McAuliffe, “Why We Have Sex,� Omni, December 1983, p. 18.

u “From an evolutionary viewpoint the sex differentiation is impossible to understand, as well as the structural sexual differences between the systematic categories which are sometimes immense. We know that intersexes [organisms that are partly male and partly female] within a species must be sterile. How is it, then, possible to imagine bridges between two amazingly different structural types?� Nilsson, p. 1225.

u “One idea those attending the sex symposium seemed to agree on is that no one knows why sex persists.� [According to evolution, it should not.] Gardiner Morse, “Why Is Sex?� Science News, Vol. 126, 8 September 1984, p. 155.

g . “In the discipline of developmental biology, creationist and mechanist concur except on just one point—a work of art, a machine or a body which can reproduce itself cannot first make itself.� Pitman, p. 135.

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rikuoamero wrote:
The theory of evolution conflicts with this scientific law when claiming that life came from nonliving matter through natural processes (a).
Uhh...we went through this with god knows how many other people.
Evolution, the theory of, has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the origins of life.
Please stop taking all your cues from creationist websites. Evolution says NOTHING about life coming from non-living matter.
Some Apologists are beginning to learn that they can no longer deny that evolution (genetic change through generations) occurs – as when bacteria become antibiotic resistant / immune –GENETICALLY.
Here is an excerpt from an article responding to a TV series on evolution that deals with bacteria. You can examine the whole article here.

There are too many errors in “Evolution� to itemize here, but let’s examine what the producers clearly believe to be their strongest example:

“The development in bacteria of antibiotic resistance. If one wants to demonstrate evolution in action, as the producers claim, bacteria are certainly the best candidates. Some of these microbes reproduce several times an hour, producing thousands and thousands of generations within a single year. “Evolution� thus takes us into a tuberculosis-infested Russian jail, and sure enough, the little pests quickly develop resistance to each new drug the doctors introduce. Case closed.�

Well, not quite.

All the producers have demonstrated is the quite unexceptional occurrence of what is called micro-evolution, the small changes within species that we see all around us. The most obvious example—one Darwin himself used—is dog breeding. The thousands of different types of dogs extant today were all created, probably from some common wild ancestor, by selective breeding.

The question is, can these relatively small changes within basic species types be extrapolated to macro-evolution—big changes in body types, such as the evolution of birds from reptiles, say, or humans from apes. The fact is, nothing of the sort has ever been observed. Darwinists counter that when dealing with large animals—even fruit flies —there simply isn’t enough time. The breeding cycles are too long. Fair enough. But what about bacteria?

With selective breeding, one should be able to produce new species within a reasonable time. Yet—and this the producers don’t tell us—it has never been done. As British bacteriologist Alan H. Linton recently remarked, despite multitudes of experiments exposing bacteria to caustic acid baths and intense radiation in order to accelerate mutations, in the “150 years of the science of bacteriology, there is no evidence that one species of bacteria has changed into another.�

The producers of “Evolution� unwittingly give the game away when they remark that the bacteria clearly identifiable as the same as modern TB have been found on a 6,000-year-old Egyptian mummy. Like the Galapagos finch beaks, what we seem to be seeing here is not macro-evolutionary change, but the extraordinary stability of species.

The producers repeat much the same error in a long segment on the HIV virus, which ends with doctors taking their patients off the anti-viral drugs (which appear to do more harm than good) and—voila!—the HIV returns to its original “wild-type.� Once again, we have stasis, not evolution.

On other issues, “Evolution� mostly commits sins of omission (that is, omission of any evidence contrary to the simple story of Darwin’s mechanism and “change over time� which they hammer away at endlessly). The program glosses over problems with the fossil record and sidesteps the challenge of the “Cambrian Explosion,� in which, in direct contradiction to Darwinian theory, all the major animal groups (phyla) of modern animals appeared in a geologic instant, with no plausible precursors. Searching for a more contemporary spin, the program misstates the universality of DNA as evidence of descent from a common ancestor, when important exceptions that undermine this hypothesis have been known for over 20 years. And on and on.

http://www.trueorigin.org/pbsevolution01.asp
Was not Darwin an evolutionist?
Darwin was a pioneer in researching the ideas of evolution (genetic change through generations).
Pahu wrote: Did he not suggest life started from a warm pond?
No he did not.
IN 1871, in a letter to his friend Joseph Hooker, Charles Darwin speculated about how life might have got started:

"But if (and Oh! What a big if!) we could conceive in some warm little pond, with all sorts of ammonia and phosphoric salts, light, heat, electricity etc, present, that a protein compound was chemically formed ready to undergo still more complex changes..."

http://www.economist.com/news/science-a ... ittle-pond

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Was not Darwin an evolutionist? Did he not suggest life started from a warm pond?
Darwin is credited with promoting the theory of evolution and no he did not suggest life started from a warm pond. Let me guess, you got that from your creationist websites? Then they are quite simply factually wrong, as factually wrong as if they said that 2 + 2 = 5.
"But if (and oh what a big if) we could conceive in some warm little pond with all sorts of ammonia and phosphoric salts, light, heat, electricity etcetera present, that a protein compound was chemically formed, ready to undergo still more complex changes [..] "
~Charles Darwin, in a letter to Joseph Hooker (1871)
Do you believe life was created?
No I do not. I lack a belief as to how exactly life started because at the moment, we simply do not know how. I do not know how it started, and neither do you. Do not pretend that you actually do know how.
God has revealed He created life on earth, which He also created.
They why do evolutionists refer to that beginning?
What do you mean 'refer'? Explain yourself.
Refer means to mention or allude to.

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Pahu wrote:
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Pahu wrote: Was not Darwin an evolutionist? Did he not suggest life started from a warm pond?
Darwin is credited with promoting the theory of evolution and no he did not suggest life started from a warm pond. Let me guess, you got that from your creationist websites? Then they are quite simply factually wrong, as factually wrong as if they said that 2 + 2 = 5.
"But if (and oh what a big if) we could conceive in some warm little pond with all sorts of ammonia and phosphoric salts, light, heat, electricity etcetera present, that a protein compound was chemically formed, ready to undergo still more complex changes [..] "
~Charles Darwin, in a letter to Joseph Hooker (1871)
By speculating in a private letter Darwin did not put himself on record as suggesting that he knew how life began. Notice "But if (and oh what a big if) we could conceive� – VERY tentative and distancing. One's private thoughts or preferences do not dictate their professional positions.

This is an example of how “science debunkers� often attempt to grab straws in “bolstering� their position – rather than providing supporting verifiable evidence for their position.
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Do you believe life was created?
No I do not. I lack a belief as to how exactly life started because at the moment, we simply do not know how. I do not know how it started, and neither do you. Do not pretend that you actually do know how.
God has revealed He created life on earth, which He also created.
That appears to be pretending or claiming to know that a god created the Earth and its life forms.

Is that “known� because ancient writers worshiping one of the thousands of proposed “gods� claimed that their favorite god was responsible? Is there any verifiable evidence to show the stories and claims are anything more than products of human imagination?
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They why do evolutionists refer to that beginning?
What do you mean 'refer'? Explain yourself.
Refer means to mention or allude to.
Mentioning or alluding to something does not indicate commitment to the idea or accepting that it is true and accurate.
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Zzyzx wrote:
This is an example of how “science debunkers� often attempt to grab straws in “bolstering� their position – rather than providing supporting verifiable evidence for their position.
Who is debunking science?
Pahu wrote:
Do you believe life was created?
No I do not. I lack a belief as to how exactly life started because at the moment, we simply do not know how. I do not know how it started, and neither do you. Do not pretend that you actually do know how.
God has revealed He created life on earth, which He also created.
That appears to be pretending or claiming to know that a god created the Earth and its life forms.

Is that “known� because ancient writers worshiping one of the thousands of proposed “gods� claimed that their favorite god was responsible?
No.
Is there any verifiable evidence to show the stories and claims are anything more than products of human imagination?
Yes:

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1. Archaeology confirms the historical accuracy of the Bible:

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/the_rocks_cry_out.html
http://christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a008.html
http://www.christiananswers.net/archaeology/home.html
http://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/the-bi ... cal-record

2. The Bible is not a science book, yet is scientifically accurate:

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/scienti ... bible.html
http://www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml

3. The Bible is filled with hundreds of accurately fulfilled prophecies:

http://www.100prophecies.com/
http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/
http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/bible ... filled.htm
http://www.reasons.org/fulfilled-prophe ... lity-bible
http://www.allabouttruth.org/Bible-Prophecy.htm

No other book, religious or secular, comes close to those requirements.

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Pahu wrote: [center]Acquired Characteristics[/center]


Acquired characteristics—characteristics gained after birth—cannot be inherited (a). For example, large muscles acquired by a man in a weight-lifting program cannot be inherited by his child. Nor did giraffes get long necks because their ancestors stretched to reach high leaves. While almost all evolutionists agree that acquired characteristics cannot be inherited, many unconsciously slip into this false belief.  On occasion, Darwin did (b).

However, stressful environments for some animals and plants cause their offspring to express various defenses. New genetic traits are not created; instead, the environment can switch on genetic machinery already present. The marvel is that optimal (c) genetic machinery already exists to handle some contingencies, not that time, the environment, or “a need� can produce the machinery (d).

Also, rates of variation within a species (microevolution, not macroevolution) increase enormously when organisms are under stress, such as starvation (e). Stressful situations would have been widespread in the centuries after a global flood.

a. The false belief that acquired characteristics can be inherited, called Lamarckism, would mean that the environment can directly and beneficially change egg and sperm cells. Only a few biologists try to justify Lamarckism. The minor acquired characteristics they cite have no real significance for any present theory of organic evolution. For example, see “Lamarck, Dr. Steel and Plagiarism,� Nature, Vol. 337, 12 January 1989, pp. 101–102.

b. “This hypothesis [which Darwin called pangenesis] maintained the idea of inheritance of acquired characteristics.� A. M. Winchester, Genetics, 5th edition (Boston: Houghton Mifflin Co., 1977), p. 24.

c. In writing about this amazing capability, Queitsch admits:

“... it is a perplexing evolutionary question how a population might move to a different local optimum without an intervening period of reduced fitness (adaptive valley).� Christine Queitsch et al., “Hsp90 as a Capacitor of Phenotypic Variation,� Nature, Vol. 417, 6 June 2002, p. 623.

d. “... genes that were switched on in the parent to generate the defensive response are also switched on in the offspring.� Erkki Haukioja, “Bite the Mother, Fight the Daughter,� Nature, Vol. 401, 2 September 1999, p. 23.

“... non-lethal exposure of an animal to carnivores, and a plant to a herbivore, not only induces a defence, but causes the attacked organisms to produce offspring that are better defended than offspring from unthreatened parents.� Anurag A. Agrawal et al., “Transgenerational Induction of Defences in Animals and Plants,� Nature, Vol. 401, 2 September 1999, p. 60.

“... hidden genetic diversity exists within species and can erupt when [environmental] conditions change.� John Travis, “Evolutionary Shocker?: Stressful Conditions May Trigger Plants and Animals to Unleash New Forms Quickly,� Science News, Vol. 161, 22 June 2002, p. 394.

“Environmental stress can reveal genetic variants, presumably because it compromises buffering systems. If selected for, these uncovered phenotypes can lead to heritable changes in plants and animals (assimilation).� Queitsch et al., p. 618.

e. Marina Chicurel, “Can Organisms Speed Their Own Evolution?� Science, Vol. 292, 8 June 2001, pp. 1824–1827.

[From “In the Beginning� by Walt Brown]

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Is the bible scientifically accurate when it reveals this deity to be too ignorant to know that diseases are caused by bacteria and viruses, and not by 'demons'?

Or when archaeologists cannot find a single potsherd of evidence that millions of people went on a 40 year exodus?

These claims you parrot have been trounced over and over again. Seeing them regurgitated over and over again does not suddenly make them true.
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Is the bible scientifically accurate when it reveals this deity to be too ignorant to know that diseases are caused by bacteria and viruses, and not by 'demons'?

Or when archaeologists cannot find a single potsherd of evidence that millions of people went on a 40 year exodus?
You will find archeological evidence for the Exodus here:

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/mt__sinai_found.htm

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm

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Pahu wrote:
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Is the bible scientifically accurate when it reveals this deity to be too ignorant to know that diseases are caused by bacteria and viruses, and not by 'demons'?

Or when archaeologists cannot find a single potsherd of evidence that millions of people went on a 40 year exodus?
You will find archeological evidence for the Exodus here:

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/mt__sinai_found.htm

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm
You should contact all the Jewish archeologists who are desperately trying to find archeological evidence of one of the main, if not the main, narrative in their history. Apparently they didn't see your link.

For a different perspective, you may want to examine:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the_Exodus

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For a very different perspective on the Exodus, one of our members Cnorman, has published a book on the subject from a very down-to-Earth Jewish point of view.



I (a Non-Theist) find it fascinating and hard to put down.
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Pahu wrote:
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Is the bible scientifically accurate when it reveals this deity to be too ignorant to know that diseases are caused by bacteria and viruses, and not by 'demons'?

Or when archaeologists cannot find a single potsherd of evidence that millions of people went on a 40 year exodus?
You will find archeological evidence for the Exodus here:

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/mt__sinai_found.htm

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm
But I didn't find any evidence there. What I found was completely unfounded conjecture from a few 'scientists' that ignore the vast consensus of not only secular but Jewish archaeologists. Is a reasonable person to scoff at this monumental consensus in favor of a few theists desperate to find the conclusions they started with? That's not science. That's dishonest.
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