Jesus is Lord?

[man]

Jesus is Lord!

I have seen this on bumper stickers, TV and the internet, but I'm not quite sure what it means.

It seems to be saying that Jesus and the God are the same thing, is this correct?

[onewithhim]

Jesus is Lord!

I have seen this on bumper stickers, TV and the internet, but I'm not quite sure what it means.

It seems to be saying that Jesus and the God are the same thing, is this correct?

I think the way most modern bumper-sticker Christians mean it is that "Jesus is God".

But that is not the original meaning of the expression. To Paul, it meant "Jesus is master" our best authority for understanding things Divine and the mediator for access to the Divine.

In the OT/Hebrew Bible "LORD" always meant YHVH, Lord meant Adonai ( "my Lord, referring to YHVH)

Only in the NT does the lower case "Lord" refer to Jesus.

And even in the NT YHWH has been obliterated. Where God's personal name was included in old manuscripts, it is deleted in modern translations. So sometimes where it says "Lord" it might be referring to YHWH. (See Acts 2:34 where Jehovah is definitely referred to.) It's hard to tell, and that is thanks to men through the centuries altering the texts to irradicate God's name.

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That is sad. I do like and respect the way the NWT has restored some of the NT references to YHVH, when it is clear that OT Scripture is being quoted, and in certain other cases.

What may be encouraging is that even outside of the JW organization, some are rediscovering the importance of the Divine name. Some Evangelicals refer to "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" and an Evangelical couple Peter and Linda-Miller Russo have published "Proclaim His Holy Name" , and also the "Proclaim His Holy Name Bible" which is based on the KJV, but with all the "LORD"s restored to "Yehovah".

I recommend the book and their version of the Bible.

Also, Keith E Johnson's "His Hallowed Name Revealed Again". I don't think he is either a JW or an Evangelical, but this book demonstrates he really understands the importance of The Name as well. Highly recommended.

Awesome! I will look for those books and the "Holy Name Bible." I have The Divine Name King James Bible by Divine Name Publishers, which restores the name in all 6,972 places it occurs in the O.T. and includes it within parentheses where it should be in the N.T.

It's really great that more people are recognizing God's name. Soon the whole planet "will have to know that I am Jehovah" (Ezekiel 38:23). I long for that day.

You long for that day? Why what happens?

The culmination of all of Bible prophecy. The very theme of the Bible is God's own government that will rule over the earth. Jesus focused on that government and taught us to pray for it.

"Pray, then, in this way: 'Our Father who is in heaven, hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven." (Matt.6:9,10, NASB)

"In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed, and...it will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever." (Daniel 2:44)

"For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; and the government will rest on his shoulders;...There will be no end to the increase of his government or of peace." (Isaiah 9:6,7)

"Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection....They will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years." (Revelation 20:6)

Do you think God's own government that will rule over the earth is going to have a problem with Jewish people, Muslim people, gay people, blasphemers and atheists?

God's government will welcome everyone who accepts Jehovah as the one true God and agrees that he has the right to rule. They will also accept the provision for salvation that Jesus made available for everyone.

Psalm 15 gives us a good idea of the kind of people Jehovah will have in his new world:

1 "O LORD [YHWH], who may abide in Your tent?
Who may dwell on Your holy hill?
2 He who walks with integrity, and works righteousness,
And speaks truth in his heart.
3 He does not slander with his tongue,
Nor does evil to his neighbor,
Nor takes up a reproach against his friend;
4 In whose eyes a reprobate is despised,
But who honors those who fear the LORD [YHWH];
He swears to his own hurt and does not change;
5 He does not put out his money at interest,
Nor does he take a bribe against the innocent.
He who does these things will never be shaken." (NASB)

[onewithhim]

Oh, and you didn't explain how Jesus' statement at John 17:3 supports the trinity. Didn't he say to the Father, "YOU are the only true God"?

You have your theories for your own particular religious group and other people entertain other ideas, without contradicting the Bible.

If one accepts the two natures in Christ, all your quotes are easily explained.


The one you commend I read:


King James Bible
'And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.'


Jesus, according to John, was the WORD from the beginning, incarnated so that as man he might work with men. His human self constantly defers to God, whom Jesus refers to as the Father, when we know very well that this is a figurative expression, since God does not beget in the way humans do.

There is only one God, not two or three. This is what the Trinity attests.
Jesus, acting on earth as the intermediary, is the Word of God made into human flesh. We can then discuss WHY God presented himself in this way and again there are many opinions on what Christ wanted - no doubt you'll have your own. It is useless to quote Scripture and think it illustrates YOUR PRIVATE view, for it illustrates other private views as well. Basically you believe not from proof, but from faith. Unfortunately that is exactly what Muslims and others do.

All of your theocratic gymnastics aside, I don't know how much clearer it could be that Jesus deferred to the Father as God when he said to the Father, "YOU [are] the only true God." (John 17:3)

You say other people have different views "without contradicting the Bible." It's interesting that you haven't noticed that THEY DO CONTRADICT THE BIBLE. The only thing trinitarians can say about John 17:3 is : "That verse doesn't belong there," without any kind of information to back that statement up. It does directly contradict their viewpoint.

You haven't commented on ALL of the verses I cited (John 20:17?) and you haven't explained others that I have presented, such as:


I Corinthians 11:3: "I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and GOD IS THE HEAD OF CHRIST." (NASB...This was written after Jesus returned to heaven, so he wasn't a human man any more.)

I Corinthians 8:6: "Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things..." (NASB)

I Timothy 2:5: "For there is one God, and one mediator BETWEEN GOD AND MEN, the man Christ Jesus." (NASB...This was also written when Jesus was back in heaven.)


"God" is a separate entity from Jesus Christ. How can "God" BE Jesus Christ? I don't understand how this can be dodged. "God" is the "head"---the one in the position of leadership, honor & command, or, the principal one, the chief. God is the leader of Christ. God commands Jesus STILL, as He did when Jesus was on the earth. These arguments haven't been addressed by any I've run into that believe Jesus is God.

[Elijah John]

Jesus is Lord!

I have seen this on bumper stickers, TV and the internet, but I'm not quite sure what it means.

It seems to be saying that Jesus and the God are the same thing, is this correct?

I think the way most modern bumper-sticker Christians mean it is that "Jesus is God".

But that is not the original meaning of the expression. To Paul, it meant "Jesus is master" our best authority for understanding things Divine and the mediator for access to the Divine.

In the OT/Hebrew Bible "LORD" always meant YHVH, Lord meant Adonai ( "my Lord, referring to YHVH)

Only in the NT does the lower case "Lord" refer to Jesus.

And even in the NT YHWH has been obliterated. Where God's personal name was included in old manuscripts, it is deleted in modern translations. So sometimes where it says "Lord" it might be referring to YHWH. (See Acts 2:34 where Jehovah is definitely referred to.) It's hard to tell, and that is thanks to men through the centuries altering the texts to irradicate God's name.

[/i]

That is sad. I do like and respect the way the NWT has restored some of the NT references to YHVH, when it is clear that OT Scripture is being quoted, and in certain other cases.

What may be encouraging is that even outside of the JW organization, some are rediscovering the importance of the Divine name. Some Evangelicals refer to "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" and an Evangelical couple Peter and Linda-Miller Russo have published "Proclaim His Holy Name" , and also the "Proclaim His Holy Name Bible" which is based on the KJV, but with all the "LORD"s restored to "Yehovah".

I recommend the book and their version of the Bible.

Also, Keith E Johnson's "His Hallowed Name Revealed Again". I don't think he is either a JW or an Evangelical, but this book demonstrates he really understands the importance of The Name as well. Highly recommended.

Awesome! I will look for those books and the "Holy Name Bible." I have The Divine Name King James Bible by Divine Name Publishers, which restores the name in all 6,972 places it occurs in the O.T. and includes it within parentheses where it should be in the N.T.

It's really great that more people are recognizing God's name. Soon the whole planet "will have to know that I am Jehovah" (Ezekiel 38:23). I long for that day.

As YHVH said through the prophet Isaiah:

... "to me every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall swear", Only in YHVH, it shall be said of me, are righteousness and strength".

(Is 45.23,24)

You may have to go online for these, I have never seen them in the bookstores.

The Divine Name KJV sounds a lot like the "Proclaim His Holy Name" Bible.

But I did find the "Names of God" Bible at Barnes and Noble. That translation uses "Yahweh".

I went on the website for the Divine Name KJ Bible but it seems to have stopped working. The last message on there was MY message from 4 years ago. I guess that version isn't available any more.

The Jerusalem Bible also uses the translation "Yahweh," as does the NEW Jerusalem Bible. Young's Literal Translation provides "Jehovah" in the O.T. wherever the Tetragrammaton occurs. As God's name is gaining more appreciation, it is ironic that the RCC instituted a recent decree that the Tetragrammaton and its translation into God's name should be REMOVED from all documents, songs, doxologies, and whatever else they call the things that they repeat during services, etc. Imagine, after almost 2,000 years, they want to remove God's name from everything. It's going to be kind of hard, I think, to remove it from where it appears on Catholic church buildings and even St. Peter's in the Vatican.

Thanks for the leads...I already knew about the Jerusalem and New Jersualem Bibles using "Yahweh".

Young's literal sounds good, worth checking into.

I've also had a hard time finding the ASV, which as you no doubt know uses "Jehovah".

Until recently the ASV was listed on Bible Gateway, but they seemed to have dropped it from their list of translations.

Also, it is ironic if the RCC wants to cease using the Divine name, since the JB is a Catholic translation!

I guess the prohibition would include Catholic scholars and authors too, like the late Andrew Greeley,...I know Fr Greeley referred to "Yahweh" in his writings.

Are you certain of the RC prohibition? I've only heard about that second hand.

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 42 by onewithhim]

I have to say, that I think the Jehovah's Witnesses and The Christadelphians have the most accurate interpretation of what the Bible actually says that I have encountered.

And I say this as one who was raised Catholic, and is currently a deistic leaning, monotheistic Christian.

My issues are with the idea of the supposed infallibility of the Bible, not usually* with their interpretation of it.

*( I differ with the JWs on blood atonement, their end times theology, and the "Michael the Archangel is Jesus" doctrine, but I agree on the importance of the Divine name, and the notion that the Father alone is God.)

[onewithhim]

Jesus is Lord!

I have seen this on bumper stickers, TV and the internet, but I'm not quite sure what it means.

It seems to be saying that Jesus and the God are the same thing, is this correct?

I think the way most modern bumper-sticker Christians mean it is that "Jesus is God".

But that is not the original meaning of the expression. To Paul, it meant "Jesus is master" our best authority for understanding things Divine and the mediator for access to the Divine.

In the OT/Hebrew Bible "LORD" always meant YHVH, Lord meant Adonai ( "my Lord, referring to YHVH)

Only in the NT does the lower case "Lord" refer to Jesus.

And even in the NT YHWH has been obliterated. Where God's personal name was included in old manuscripts, it is deleted in modern translations. So sometimes where it says "Lord" it might be referring to YHWH. (See Acts 2:34 where Jehovah is definitely referred to.) It's hard to tell, and that is thanks to men through the centuries altering the texts to irradicate God's name.

[/i]

That is sad. I do like and respect the way the NWT has restored some of the NT references to YHVH, when it is clear that OT Scripture is being quoted, and in certain other cases.

What may be encouraging is that even outside of the JW organization, some are rediscovering the importance of the Divine name. Some Evangelicals refer to "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" and an Evangelical couple Peter and Linda-Miller Russo have published "Proclaim His Holy Name" , and also the "Proclaim His Holy Name Bible" which is based on the KJV, but with all the "LORD"s restored to "Yehovah".

I recommend the book and their version of the Bible.

Also, Keith E Johnson's "His Hallowed Name Revealed Again". I don't think he is either a JW or an Evangelical, but this book demonstrates he really understands the importance of The Name as well. Highly recommended.

Awesome! I will look for those books and the "Holy Name Bible." I have The Divine Name King James Bible by Divine Name Publishers, which restores the name in all 6,972 places it occurs in the O.T. and includes it within parentheses where it should be in the N.T.

It's really great that more people are recognizing God's name. Soon the whole planet "will have to know that I am Jehovah" (Ezekiel 38:23). I long for that day.

As YHVH said through the prophet Isaiah:

... "to me every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall swear", Only in YHVH, it shall be said of me, are righteousness and strength".

(Is 45.23,24)

You may have to go online for these, I have never seen them in the bookstores.

The Divine Name KJV sounds a lot like the "Proclaim His Holy Name" Bible.

But I did find the "Names of God" Bible at Barnes and Noble. That translation uses "Yahweh".

I went on the website for the Divine Name KJ Bible but it seems to have stopped working. The last message on there was MY message from 4 years ago. I guess that version isn't available any more.

The Jerusalem Bible also uses the translation "Yahweh," as does the NEW Jerusalem Bible. Young's Literal Translation provides "Jehovah" in the O.T. wherever the Tetragrammaton occurs. As God's name is gaining more appreciation, it is ironic that the RCC instituted a recent decree that the Tetragrammaton and its translation into God's name should be REMOVED from all documents, songs, doxologies, and whatever else they call the things that they repeat during services, etc. Imagine, after almost 2,000 years, they want to remove God's name from everything. It's going to be kind of hard, I think, to remove it from where it appears on Catholic church buildings and even St. Peter's in the Vatican.

Thanks for the leads...I already knew about the Jerusalem and New Jersualem Bibles using "Yahweh".

Young's literal sounds good, worth checking into.

I've also had a hard time finding the ASV, which as you no doubt know uses "Jehovah".

Until recently the ASV was listed on Bible Gateway, but they seemed to have dropped it from their list of translations.

Also, it is ironic if the RCC wants to cease using the Divine name, since the JB is a Catholic translation!

I guess the prohibition would include Catholic scholars and authors too, like the late Andrew Greeley,...I know Fr Greeley referred to "Yahweh" in his writings.

Are you certain of the RC prohibition? I've only heard about that second hand.

Yes, the American Standard Version is extremely hard to find. I have the 1901 printing, and it looks like it came from 1901, unfortunately. I've thought about getting it rebound. I wonder if the 1901 distributor, the American Bible Society, if it still exists, would have any copies available.

I found a copy of Psalms Vol.I that my late grandfather had amongst his possessions. He was a Methodist circuit rider back in the very early 20th century. This book of Psalms is titled The Expositor's Bible, edited by W. Robertson Nicoll, D.D., apparently translated by Alexander Maclaren, D.D. It has Jehovah's name throughout! I was excited when I found this book. I have never heard of it mentioned anywhere. (The publishers were New York: Hodder & Stoughton.)

I'll look for the order to delete Jehovah's name in my pile of things to file.

[man]

[Replying to post 40 by onewithhim]

Do you think God's own government that will rule over the earth is going to have a problem with Jewish people, Muslim people, gay people, blasphemers and atheists?

[tigger2]

[Replying to post 45 by onewithhim]

http://www.dnkjb.net/

http://www.2001translation.com/

For ASV (Jehovah); Darby (Jehovah); LEB (Yahweh); NOG (Yahweh); WEB (Yahweh); Young’s (Jehovah) go to https://www.biblegateway.com/

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 45 by onewithhim]

http://www.dnkjb.net/

http://www.2001translation.com/

For ASV (Jehovah); Darby (Jehovah); LEB (Yahweh); NOG (Yahweh); WEB (Yahweh); Young’s (Jehovah) go to https://www.biblegateway.com/

Answer this: WHY would anyone want to eliminate God's own name from the Bible? I can't understand that. What could be the motive?

It doesn't matter what the exact pronunciation is. Neither your name nor mine is pronounced the same in all languages.


Why do people want to ignore, expunge, stamp out the personal name of God?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 40 by onewithhim]

Do you think God's own government that will rule over the earth is going to have a problem with Jewish people, Muslim people, gay people, blasphemers and atheists?

I answered that in post #41.

[Monta]

"The Jerusalem Bible also uses the translation "Yahweh," as does the NEW Jerusalem Bible. Young's Literal Translation provides "Jehovah" in the O.T. wherever the Tetragrammaton occurs. As God's name is gaining more appreciation, it is ironic that the RCC instituted a recent decree that the Tetragrammaton and its translation into God's name should be REMOVED from all documents, songs, doxologies, and whatever else they call the things that they repeat during services, etc. Imagine, after almost 2,000 years, they want to remove God's name from everything. It's going to be kind of hard, I think, to remove it from where it appears on Catholic church buildings and even St. Peter's in the Vatican. "

RCC is doing the right thing. Christianity is not the church of the OT but the NT which only connects the dots to another previous religion that eventually got perverted (killing prophets they did not like) and, 'they worship me with their lips..." etc..
The purpose of many new translations are to downgrade Christianity which was hated 2000 ys ago and still is by Judaic Rabbi. These things are openly written about (Obadia Yosef) and their holy books Talmud and elsewhere.