What did Jesus die for?

[man]

I'm not talking about Jesus ding for your sins or any silly philosophical nonsense like that, I am talking about the reality of the day to day circumstances surrounding his execution at the time.

Why did the religious people at the time ask the government to execute Jesus?

The religious people asked the government to execute him because they believed he was a heretic.

Being a heretic is the sin Jesus died for in the eyes of the religious people that demanded his execution.

[JehovahsWitness]

So we would be the same and we'd still kill people just under a different banner than religion.

I think so yes. African tribal wars have nothing to do religion, race wars have nothing to do with religion, wars over resources (oil, water, land...) are I believe going to be the basis for the majority of 21st century conflicts. Wars are terribly expensive to finance and extremely profitable for a few, religion is always a convenient front man, but eliminating religion will not eliminate greed, racism, corruption, hatred or any of the real causatives behind war.

The bible says God will bring wars to an end, evidently humans cannot!

JW

[man]

So we would be the same and we'd still kill people just under a different banner than religion.

I think so yes. African tribal wars have nothing to do religion, race wars have nothing to do with religion, wars over resources (oil, water, land...) are I believe going to be the basis for the majority of 21st century conflicts. Wars are terribly expensive to finance and extremely profitable for a few, religion is always a convenient front man, but eliminating religion will not eliminate greed, racism, corruption, hatred or any of the real causatives behind war.

The bible says God will bring wars to an end, evidently humans cannot!

JW

You know I've not encountered many religious people that would say the world would be no different if religion had not been around.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 1 by man]

The account itself is clear enough, Jesus was accursed of blasphemy and although innocent found guilty in the religious court. But, according to Luke, those same religious leaders changed their charges when before Pilate accusing him (Jesus) of:

[1] subverting our nation, [2] forbidding the paying of taxes to Caesar, and [3] saying he himself is Christ a king."Luke 23:2.


JW

From your JW pov, (addressed to onewithhim as well) what do you think was the cause of those original blasphemy charges? Evangelicals often say it was because Jesus claimed to be God, I'm guessing you folks don't agree?

Others here say it was because Jesus declared sins forgiven, and the Jewish authorities didn't like that.

The religious leaders were looking for ANYTHING to accuse Jesus of, and, knowing very well that he did not claim to be God but claimed to be God's SON, ACCUSED him of making himself equal to God----which he refuted immediately---so that they could pin something on him and possibly do away with him to shut him up. It was a totally trumped-up charge!

Indeed, when he was nailed to the 'cross,' the religious leaders were making disparaging remarks about him, but it is significant that they didn't say then "he claimed to be God!"....they said, "He has put his trust in God; let Him now rescue him if He wants him, for he said, 'I am God's Son.'" (Matthew 27:43)

See, they knew, absolutely, that Jesus never claimed to be God. If he did, they would have said so when they were jeering at him.


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[endtimer]

[Replying to post 1 by man]

The Romans Killed Him because they where scared. They couldnt accept a God except their own version , it messed up their plans. So Jesus decided to show the world that He was God. He came down to this horrible place (earth) to show us that it's all true, no matter how you look at it, you wont see it if you are blinded by default...It went against what they thought to be correct at the time. Just Imagine this > even in our time > some man appearing on the scene and starts to make a serious hype with wonders and supernatural powers, the governments and controlling powers of this world would have none of that...it's the same one's in power now...that same rejection of His power is what made it so great...He came back from the dead and gave that healing to all His "followers"...

He Said Himself : John 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see & that they which see might be made blind

Satan do not like to be exposed openly; so he works through soft spots women or children like Mary & child or people related to Gods family. I hope you get that & see that people are too scared to say that ...

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me. And him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. The bible makes it very clear that a person has to be elected & called by God to have Life. There is no way that any person can work their way to heaven but billions in the religious system are working their way to hell

The pressure is too great out there in Gods spiritual heights you have to alter your breathing system automatically adjusting to Gods Holy Spirit wind intake that feeds the inner man. Crows are scared of heights I met many crows telling me God does not want us to know that, or we dont need to know that, or its too deep we must not worry about things we do not understand. Oh no, eagles do not accept scarecrow bluff stories; why are those mysterious things then placed there in the first place? Eagles quickly catch the secret of Gods plan knowing the higher they fly the better they see into Gods world & mysteries that others only dream about.

[Yahu]

Why did the religious people at the time ask the government to execute Jesus?

IMO, no one has answered this question correctly. The Pharisees added a bunch of additional rules in how to follow the Law and equated their added rules as equal to Yah's laws.

Yeshua clearly rejected those religious traditions of man that were added to the law. They attacked Him over that issue several times and He blasted them for it. He refused the religious traditions and ONLY followed the actual law.

He wouldn't bow down to their traditions and humiliated them over the issue. When they attacked Him over these issues He equated them to being 'a nest of vipers' and 'children of their father the devil'.

He taught against what the Pharisees taught the people undermining their authority to dominate the people through religion.

An example of this is by Pharisee tradition, you had to wash your hands before eating or you were unclean, it made the food you ate unclean. Yeshua directly told them it is what comes out of a man that is unclean, not that you eat without washing your hands.

They also attacked Him for allowing His followers to pick wheat to eat as they walked along on the Sabbath. They classified any WORK on the Sabbath as a violation. Even walking more than so far on the Sabbath was work. They classified the picking of wheat as harvesting, the removing the seeds from the chaff as trashing. His response was they were not performing labor but just meeting the needs of their body for food on the Sabbath.

It was the Pharisee legalism that He opposed which threatened their authority over the people. That is what angered them to want to kill Him to begin with. They just had to find an excuse to justify their desire to kill Him.

[onewithhim]

Why did the religious people at the time ask the government to execute Jesus?

IMO, no one has answered this question correctly. The Pharisees added a bunch of additional rules in how to follow the Law and equated their added rules as equal to Yah's laws.

Yeshua clearly rejected those religious traditions of man that were added to the law. They attacked Him over that issue several times and He blasted them for it. He refused the religious traditions and ONLY followed the actual law.

He wouldn't bow down to their traditions and humiliated them over the issue. When they attacked Him over these issues He equated them to being 'a nest of vipers' and 'children of their father the devil'.

He taught against what the Pharisees taught the people undermining their authority to dominate the people through religion.

An example of this is by Pharisee tradition, you had to wash your hands before eating or you were unclean, it made the food you ate unclean. Yeshua directly told them it is what comes out of a man that is unclean, not that you eat without washing your hands.

They also attacked Him for allowing His followers to pick wheat to eat as they walked along on the Sabbath. They classified any WORK on the Sabbath as a violation. Even walking more than so far on the Sabbath was work. They classified the picking of wheat as harvesting, the removing the seeds from the chaff as trashing. His response was they were not performing labor but just meeting the needs of their body for food on the Sabbath.

It was the Pharisee legalism that He opposed which threatened their authority over the people. That is what angered them to want to kill Him to begin with. They just had to find an excuse to justify their desire to kill Him.

Very nice post! I thought that my post #13 said basically the same thing. But I guess no one reads my comments.

[dio9]

[Replying to post 1 by man]

Jesus challanged the temple , priest's authority, and the sacrificial cult. Clearly it was the last days for them. Like a prophet of old Jesus came to Jerusalem challenging the central authority . The authority whose time had come to an end. It was what theologians call an eschatological age. Either heaven or hell was gonna come. Jesus died for the kingdom of God , and for Jerusalem hell came. According th the Gospel of John the chief priest feared Jesus could start an uprising , remember uprising was in the air, and Caiaphas reasoned it would be better that Jesus, one man, should die than thousands die in a suppression of rebellion. Eventually there were rebellions anyway, Caiaphas didn't save anyone, the temple was destroyed in 60 and Jerusalem destroyed in 135 and the people were scattered .

[Yahu]

I'm not talking about Jesus ding for your sins or any silly philosophical nonsense like that

That isn't silly philosophical nonsense it is fact according to scripture and is to be taken as fact in the subforum.

[Yahu]

Very nice post! I thought that my post #13 said basically the same thing. But I guess no one reads my comments.

I read it but didn't see anything about additions to the law by the religious traditions of man.

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 4 by JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by man]

The account itself is clear enough, Jesus was accursed of blasphemy and although innocent found guilty in the religious court. But, according to Luke, those same religious leaders changed their charges when before Pilate accusing him (Jesus) of:

[1] subverting our nation, [2] forbidding the paying of taxes to Caesar, and [3] saying he himself is Christ a king."Luke 23:2.


JW

Are you for or against blasphemy laws?