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Sun stood still (Earth stopped rotating)

Joshua 10:12Then Joshua spoke to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, "O sun, stand still at Gibeon, And O moon in the valley of Aijalon." 13So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, Until the nation avenged themselves of their enemies. Is it not written in the book of Jashar? And the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day. 14There was no day like that before it or after it, when the LORD listened to the voice of a man; for the LORD fought for Israel.


Here, in layman's language, is an idea of what would happen if the Earth stopped rotating.
There are two things to keep in mind:
1. An object in motion tends to stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside force.
2. Everything that is on the surface of the Earth is also spinning with the Earth, which is why we experience day and night.

At the moment of sudden stop, every object that was not firmly anchored to the Earth would continue traveling in the direction it was moving -- tangential to the Earth's surface. The degree of "lurch" would depend greatly on your line of latitude -- which reflects your distance from the axis of spin. At the North and South Pole a small piece of earth has 24 hours to move in a full circle around the axis, which is feet to fractions-of-an-inch per hour (i.e. pretty darn slow). At the equator -- the farthest distance from the axis -- the surface of the Earth is moving at 1670 kilometers/hour (1070 miles/hr).

In other words: at the moment of sudden stop everyone standing at the equator would suddenly find themselves travelling at 1.4 times the speed of sound relative to the now-still surface...at least until they hit something.

And then the real fun starts.

Amongst the things that would still be moving (per Newton's first law of motion) is the atmosphere. Anyone who survived flying sideways at 1000+ miles per hour would quickly realize that they were experiencing the worst wind storm ever imaginable. For context, a category five hurricane has winds of over 249km/h (155 miles/h). Just like the people who went flying, the speed of the air is now 1000+ miles per hour relative to the now-stopped surface. Anything that didn't already go zooming to one side would be getting smashed by crushing wind force...and probably then go flying.

And then there's the fact that about 70% of the Earth's surface is water -- which is also not anchored. The shift in momentum would yield enormous tsunamis, which would probably be even worse due to the aforementioned raging windstorm.

There's yet one more liquid we'd have to be concerned with: all of the magma constantly moving through the Earth's mantle and core. I'm not sure whether the magma stops moving suddenly with the solid earth or it stays moving -- but assuming it's still moving*, that would most likely lead to volcanic eruptions through every channel possible to the surface...and there would be earthquakes that go with that.
https://www.quora.com/What-would-happen ... rotating-1
When the Earth began rotating again the reverse would happen . . .

Still believe ancient tales about the Earth ceasing rotation? What sort of mental gymnastics and/or willful ignorance of physics and astronomy does it take to keep believing tales by ancients who thought the Sun revolved around the Earth?

Would it not be more rational to understand that the tale is a TALL TALE -- a religious fantasy?
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Zzyzx wrote:...Still believe ancient tales about the Earth ceasing rotation? What sort of mental gymnastics and/or willful ignorance of physics and astronomy does it take to keep believing tales by ancients who thought the Sun revolved around the Earth?...
It would be nice to see real proof or evidence for that earth revolves. Airys failure casts great shadow of doubt over this whole matter.
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Zzyzx wrote:"Goddidit" and that's all there is to say . . . However, here in C&A debate we do not assume that religious speculation is truthful and accurate (or authoritative or proof of truth).
What about the extra-Biblical claims of a long day in the distant past in other cultures/geographies?
An excellent point. Because on the other side of the planet one person's very long day is another person's very long night. Imagine if the sun just did not appear on time and everything just stayed dark. Some people might find that very alarming. I know it would upset me, and I an not easily alarmed.

Stopping the earth's rotation, assuming that it was an act of God in which the physical consequences have been suspended, should have been a world wide phenomenon. A shared intercultural experience. And yet oddly enough there is no general around the world tradition of it.

And done so that the Israelites would have a chance to finish slaughtering every last Amorite man, woman and child, praise the Lord.
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Tired of the Nonsense wrote:
sf wrote:
Zzyzx wrote:"Goddidit" and that's all there is to say . . . However, here in C&A debate we do not assume that religious speculation is truthful and accurate (or authoritative or proof of truth).
What about the extra-Biblical claims of a long day in the distant past in other cultures/geographies?
An excellent point. Because on the other side of the planet one person's very long day is another person's very long night. Imagine if the sun just did not appear on time and everything just stayed dark. Some people might find that very alarming. I know it would upset me, and I an not easily alarmed.

Stopping the earth's rotation, assuming that it was an act of God in which the physical consequences have been suspended, should have been a world wide phenomenon. A shared intercultural experience. And yet oddly enough there is no general around the world tradition of it.
You mean....like there is for the flood story?

(sorry. Couldn't resist that one)

You do have a point, though. It's a story that I have always put in the 'winners write the history' column.

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1213 wrote:
Zzyzx wrote:...Still believe ancient tales about the Earth ceasing rotation? What sort of mental gymnastics and/or willful ignorance of physics and astronomy does it take to keep believing tales by ancients who thought the Sun revolved around the Earth?...
It would be nice to see real proof or evidence for that earth revolves. Airys failure casts great shadow of doubt over this whole matter.
Question: Have you seen many of the photographs taken by the astronauts in space?

Using various stars in the background as well as our sun as a frame of reference, what do these evidence?

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1213 wrote:
Zzyzx wrote:...Still believe ancient tales about the Earth ceasing rotation? What sort of mental gymnastics and/or willful ignorance of physics and astronomy does it take to keep believing tales by ancients who thought the Sun revolved around the Earth?...
It would be nice to see real proof or evidence for that earth revolves. Airys failure casts great shadow of doubt over this whole matter.

If watching the progression of the sun through the sky during the day is not enough, then watching the progression of the stars through the sky over the course of the night really should suffice. Unless of course you suppose that the earth is flat and the entire universe actually revolves around it. But, hey, if you are going that old school, maybe the earth is riding on the back of a turtle that is swimming through the cosmos, or on the back of a cosmic bull.

If it's actual experimental evidence you want, here is a video of the experiment that proves the earth rotates.



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Foucault's pendulum
The Foucault pendulum (English pronunciation: /fuko/ foo-koh; French pronunciation: [fuko]), or Foucault's pendulum, named after the French physicist Lon Foucault, is a simple device conceived as an experiment to demonstrate the rotation of the Earth. While it had long been known that the Earth rotates, the introduction of the Foucault pendulum in 1851 was the first simple proof of the rotation in an easy-to-see experiment. Today, Foucault pendulums are popular displays in science museums and universities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum

Here is another way to consider whether or not science is completely fulla-bulla. Is that computer you are sitting at, which allows you to communicate with complete strangers in other parts of the world, actually working? If you have a cell phone or a smart phone, does it work as you were led to believe that it would?. Do you have a TV and/or a radio? Is your house wired for electricity? If so, then this is concrete evidence that science really is on to something. The U.S. really did go land on the moon in 1969, as well. I watched in happen on a working TV powered by electricity.
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polonius.advice wrote: Question: Have you seen many of the photographs taken by the astronauts in space?

Using various stars in the background as well as our sun as a frame of reference, what do these evidence?
Yes, I have seen photos that are allegedly taken from space. But things are relative and by those photos it is really impossible to say does earth revolve, because it could be that the other things move so that it looks like earth is rotating.
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dianaiad wrote:
Tired of the Nonsense wrote:
sf wrote:
Zzyzx wrote:"Goddidit" and that's all there is to say . . . However, here in C&A debate we do not assume that religious speculation is truthful and accurate (or authoritative or proof of truth).
What about the extra-Biblical claims of a long day in the distant past in other cultures/geographies?
An excellent point. Because on the other side of the planet one person's very long day is another person's very long night. Imagine if the sun just did not appear on time and everything just stayed dark. Some people might find that very alarming. I know it would upset me, and I an not easily alarmed.

Stopping the earth's rotation, assuming that it was an act of God in which the physical consequences have been suspended, should have been a world wide phenomenon. A shared intercultural experience. And yet oddly enough there is no general around the world tradition of it.
You mean....like there is for the flood story?

(sorry. Couldn't resist that one)

You do have a point, though. It's a story that I have always put in the 'winners write the history' column.
Major river delta areas provide everything necessary for the rise of civilizations. Fertile planting land and easy access to water are just the ticket for growing crops and providing a food staple for going populations. The down side is that these are just the sorts of areas that periodically produce catastrophic flooding, much as Louisiana is experiencing yet again. Not so coincidentally there are ancient legends from around the world of a titanic flood that wiped out everyone but a select group.

The interesting thing about this though is, here we seem to have a shared intercultural experience where none SHOULD exist. Because everyone else in the world was wiped out except the handful of survivors in the story.
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polonius.advice wrote:
1213 wrote:
Zzyzx wrote:...Still believe ancient tales about the Earth ceasing rotation? What sort of mental gymnastics and/or willful ignorance of physics and astronomy does it take to keep believing tales by ancients who thought the Sun revolved around the Earth?...
It would be nice to see real proof or evidence for that earth revolves. Airys failure casts great shadow of doubt over this whole matter.
Question: Have you seen many of the photographs taken by the astronauts in space?

Using various stars in the background as well as our sun as a frame of reference, what do these evidence?
Or better yet, this constant live stream from the International Space Station
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-iss-stream/theater

1213, why is it you requested evidence that the revolves...but do not do the same for what the Bible says?
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Tired of the Nonsense wrote:
Here is another way to consider whether or not science is completely fulla-bulla. Is that computer you are sitting at, which allows you to communicate with complete strangers in other parts of the world, actually working? If you have a cell phone or a smart phone, does it work as you were led to believe that it would?. Do you have a TV and/or a radio? Is your house wired for electricity? If so, then this is concrete evidence that science really is on to something. The U.S. really did go land on the moon in 1969, as well. I watched in happen on a working TV powered by electricity.
Uh...by that logic we can also claim that we are all actually physically living in cells being tended to by machines and alien entities, and everything we believe we are experiencing is actually a programed dream.

I watched that trilogy in a movie theater powered by electricity, too.

.............Science, btw, is NOT 'fulla bulla,' but it's not God, either. Scientists are human beings who make mistakes, believe silly stuff and don't know everything. Not to mention that it's probably not wise to believe everything a man says because he claims to be a 'scientist.'

BTW, I also watched the moon landing...and since my father was instrumental in getting them there, and I knew several of the astronauts, and was...as far as a math impaired teenager could be at the time, far more familiar with the process than most Americans.

Watching it on TV, though, isn't proof that it happened. Sorry. Shoot, I just watched "Star Troopers' on TV a little bit ago, and that doesn't prove that giant bugs are about to nuke Rio.

I THOUGHT you were going for something a little more concrete with this...something about how cell phones and modern communication depending upon satellites, and satellites rather depend upon the earth being round...and rotating.

Ah, well.

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Tired of the Nonsense wrote:

The interesting thing about this though is, here we seem to have a shared intercultural experience where none SHOULD exist. Because everyone else in the world was wiped out except the handful of survivors in the story.
How could this shared experience NOT be found among most, if not all, cultures, if all of 'em descended from eight flood survivors?

Where would they get a different story from? Sure, some of the details would change with culture and language, but that there WAS such a major flood, from which a very few escaped to repopulate the world...that seems to be the common thread here.

Don't mind me, ToN... I'm not a 'Noah's Flood' fanatic, and yeah, I think the world revolves, and a whole bunch of stuff. It's just that faulty logic is still faulty, even when it is used to support positions with which I agree.

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