Jehovah’s Witnesses only ones that will be saved?????

[Donray]

Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that only 144,000 people will go to heaven. God chooses these 144,000 individuals, the process began with the first century Christians and was completed in the year 1935. Of course from 1879 (the year the Watchtower started) till 1935 only faithful Jehovah’s Witnesses were chosen for this special role. All faithful Jehovah’s Witnesses not chosen to be among the 144,000 elite that go to heaven (those joining the Watchtower after 1935) will spend eternity on earth. All other people on the earth will be destroyed at war of Armageddon here on earth. This would also include any Jehovah's Witnesses who has been disfellowshipped or is otherwise unfaithful to the Watchtower and has not worked his or her way back into the good graces of the Watchtower by the time of Armageddon.

If one believes the JWs all other Christians and everyone that is not a JW will not go to heaven or live on the Earth after Armageddon.

Question for debate is JW the only true Christin religion or is it some type of cult that calls itself Christian?

[JehovahsWitness]

Problem is that Exodus 33:11 doesn't mention any angel.

No, but you agree that sometimes when the bible mentions "God", it isn't actually God its an angel? (see below)

Exodus 3:4, 6 “God called unto him out of the midst of the bush... “
Exodus 3: 2 “the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush�.

And you agree that Jesus or another angel are spoken of as representing Jehovah

I agree there are other passages such as Exodus 3 where the angel (or the sent one) of Jehovah is also called Jehovah.

Then why is it beyond the realms of possibility that Exodus 33:11 could be one of these occassions? Especially as Jehovah had already told Moses he could never see his face. AND in Hebrew "face to face" is an idiomatic expression that doesn't have to be taken literally?

[Black Sheep]

Answer is eternity for both.

So it seems to me you are saying Yes, there will be humans living on this our planet earth for all eternity.

And God got to live in heaven for a while but He too will spend the rest of eternity on the earth (with those humans).

And nobody, not even God gets to live in heaven for all eternity.


JW

I don't understand how anybody could believe such a thing. But I suppose that's what your organization teaches you.

After the 1,000 years, this earth is done with, and God simply makes another 'earth'.

These are the comments that I find really bizarre....

And God got to live in heaven for a while but He too will spend the rest of eternity on the earth (with those humans).

And nobody, not even God gets to live in heaven for all eternity.

[JehovahsWitness]

I don't understand how anybody could believe such a thing. But I suppose that's what your organization teaches you.

After the 1,000 years, this earth is done with, and God simply makes another 'earth'.

These are the comments that I find really bizarre....

And God got to live in heaven for a while but He too will spend the rest of eternity on the earth (with those humans).

And nobody, not even God gets to live in heaven for all eternity.

If you read carefully those are my comments summarizing dakoski beliefs not my own. It is in the form of a question because I was seeking clarification on the point, I may well have misunderstood what dakoski was saying so you will have to ask that poster yourself directly (as I did). They do not represent the teachings of Jehovah's Witnessses.

That said I don't think that dakoski is alone (IF that is his/her beliefs). A number of Christians I have met believe Jesus (and God) will literally return to rule on this planet earth (rather than from heaven). It's not that unusual a belief, but it is not the belief of Jehovah's Witnesses.



JW

[JehovahsWitness]

After the 1,000 years, this earth is done with, and God simply makes another 'earth'.

Is this your belief? God will rule the earth for a thousand years of peace and happiness and then to crown off that wonderful period, blow it up? Isn't that a little like celebrating your golden wedding anniversary by killing your wife?


JW

[Black Sheep]

[Replying to post 94 by JehovahsWitness]

It's not my belief as much as it IS written...

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

In other words...God is going to burn this planet up and create another one.
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Isaiah 24 New International Reader's Version (NIRV)

The Lord Will Destroy the Earth
The Lord is going to completely destroy everything on earth.
He will twist its surface.
He’ll scatter those who live on it.
Priests and people alike will suffer.
So will masters and their servants.
And so will women and their female servants.
Sellers and buyers alike will suffer.
So will those who borrow and those who lend.
And so will those who owe money and those who lend it.
The earth will be completely destroyed.
Everything of value will be taken out of it.
That’s what the Lord has said.

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Isaiah 65:17-20 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 94 by JehovahsWitness]

It's not my belief as much as it IS written...

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

After the 1,000 years, this earth is done with, and God simply makes another 'earth'.

Okay, well I find your interpretation "really bizarre" but to each his own.

Enjoy,


JW

[Black Sheep]

[Replying to post 96 by JehovahsWitness]

I forgot a passage...

2Peter 3:9-12
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 97 by Black Sheep]

I respect peoples interpretations, I don't have to be find them convincing to understand that people hold to them dearly.

- some believe God's going to relocate to earth
- others (like yourself) believe God's going to burn it up and make a new one (I always think of that a little like if you had a problem with mice in your house, you'd burn your house down to get rid of them. Well that is one way to go I guess ...)

But hey, to each their own


JW

[Donray]

Why is everyone trying to argue with "JehovahsWitness" since they belong to the only true religion.

No one has disagreed with JW being the only true religion and the rest of you religious better get bandwagon and join and believe.

[JehovahsWitness]

Why is everyone trying to argue with "JehovahsWitness" since they belong to the only true religion.

No one has disagreed with JW being the only true religion and the rest of you religious better get bandwagon and join and believe.

I think that's because everyone in this thread has been very respectful of others beliefs. While we may not always agree, we repect people's right to believe as they so wish.

Very proud to be a member of this forum because even if we disagree that is done with repectful address and in this sub-forum, bible based reasoning.


JW