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Replying to post 37 by MadeNew]
Yes i believe pornography is sinful, i use to be addicted to the stuff and it completely corrupted my thoughts. Thank God! I am being made new! in the last year i have barely seen any pornography. It is the most freeing way to live.
Funny. My own previous attempts (more than one) to stop watching pornography, I would not have described as being 'the most freeing way to live'.
I'd like you to answer my point about your fear being irrational. You brought up the example of Ted Bundy saying that his pornography habits were a [major] factor in his crimes (ignoring entirely that he said quite the opposite at other occasions), but you ignore the fact that despite pornography being consumed in large amounts in the world, the world is not full of necrophiliacs like Ted Bundy.
I can still sorta empathise with the way you think here though. I myself do not drink alcohol. Beyond the fact I don't like the smell or taste, I think it immoral to drink something that alters (in a negative way) one's ability to reason.
At first, my reason for not drinking alcohol was so as to not be like my late uncle, an alcoholic, or my father. However, eventually I realised that those fears were irrational. Now the reason I don't drink alcohol is simply because I don't like the stuff (and it compromises one's ability to think...although the one time in my life where I consumed a few drinks, I didn't even feel buzzed...
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Go read the end of Romans 7, Paul struggles with sin, everyone does. Well not everyone, some people deny their sin exists and some only live to do whatever their own corrupt heart desires... This is like a psychopath, they deny anyone else existence, they feel no remorse, and they seek to only fulfill what they personally desire to fulfill. That is like the basics of a psychopath, it is like denying sin even exists.
First, Paul denies that it his himself that is doing anything wrong, but 'sin' as if sin is a thinking entity that possesses him.
"For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17
As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature."
Second, before, you didn't say "this is LIKE the basics of a psychopath", you said quote
then there are the people who don't even believe in sin. Not believing in sin is the very root of the definition of a psychopath.
You didn't use language indicating a similarity, you said people who don't believe in sin (i.e. myself and others on this website) are psychopaths! You also told a lie, saying this is the 'definition of a psychopath'. I gave rebuttals from six different dictionaries, only for you to completely ignore it.
I am convinced you can not be a Christian and not be convicted of sin.
I take it you never studied marketing? I did. "Hey join my religion! You'll be convicted of sin...whether you join or not!"
I mean i bet even Mother Teresa was convicted of sin.
The same Mother Teresa who was just recently canonized as a saint by the Roman Catholic Church, the one venerated worldwide for her work with the poor?
If even someone praised as much as she is (ignoring for now criticisms from Hitchens et al) can be convicted of sin, then your belief system is just...well...hateful. It apparently hates everybody.
The Faith of Christ is meant to bring people out of their sin, into faith, and close to God.
Then this Faith of Christ fails completely, as you indicate that yourself, your family, and everyone, Christians and non-Christian alike, are sinners, still are sinners.
If this 'Faith of Christ' is a cure for this 'sin' illness, then it's a completely ineffectual cure. The FDA recently banned antibacterial handwashes because they are ineffectual at their stated goal.
I am convinced you can not live faithfully while living sinfully, this leads people to repentance. Faith is the righteousness of God. What is scary is to fall into a place where you don't even care.
Who says I don't care? Are you implying that my saying yes to (some of) your questions up above means I don't care?
I would care if the things you say are immoral showed actual harms. So if a man watches pornography and masturbates, where's the harm?
I don't care precisely because there is nothing to care about!
Listen man, if you are actually going to compromise yourself to where you actually justify the morality of prostitutes, and pornography, and scat porn, and perversion, i have nothing more to debate about.
Is this how you convince people that what you say is immoral, actually is immoral? You simply declare it to be, and when they disagree and give their reasons and opinions, you say "I have nothing more to debate about"? You give up?
Is this because you realize deep down, your reasons for declaring it to be immoral don't hold merit?
It's your absolutist "my way or the highway" mentality that I find most immoral about yourself.
That stuff is disgusting,
Scat porn is, I agree about that, but the rest in my view isn't. Are you going to try and give me reasons as to why I should view them as disgusting, or are you going to continue with your 'nothing to debate about' stance?
it is immoral
I disagree. Simply declaring something immoral isn't the same thing as convincing me it is.
it is perverted,
Nope, not in my eyes.
At this point i should just pray for you,
Why? Are you actually going to ask God to intervene, to interfere with my free will? Remember your arguments about free will earlier?
Sorry...but the thought of you asking an all powerful entity to violate my free will to do what I want with my body...I find that grossly immoral.
Oh wait. Sorry. Forgot. There's nothing to debate about.
because that stuff is objectively immoral,
How soon one forgets the point I raised earlier.
What you're going to say next, what you say constitutes pure sex, and what constitutes impure sex, is your completely subjective opinion, and the completely subjective opinion of your religion, just with a god label stamped on to it to try and give it the authority to meddle in people's lives.
To put it simply, I do not accept your claim that it is "objectively immoral".
