Would we really live forever?

[Willum]

So we have this assumption that since Eve ate the apple, that we were afflicted with this original sin, and now we get to die for it.

But is this a good assumption?
How do we know God didn't design us with the end in mind?


That is to die.

There are plenty of paradoxes associated with the apple, such as not being able TO sin until she ate the apple, but sining by eating the apple.

So, given the behavior of Yahwey in the OT, how do we know he was sincere in our otherwise immortality, before?

In other words, how do we know that eating the apple changed anything?
Perhaps were were designed to die all along.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 18 by ttruscott]

Apparently you mistook encouragement for criticism. My point was, you don't need to challenge that assumption, just use it to make your point.

There is a follow on, such as some further step that indicates were intended to live forever?

I am afraid sin and free-will doesn't really help me out much.

Sinners, as far as I can tell, live as long as saints, with no physiological changes. I am really unsure of the causality physically.

[OnceConvinced]

So we have this assumption that since Eve ate the apple, that we were afflicted with this original sin, and now we get to die for it.

But is this a good assumption?
How do we know God didn't design us with the end in mind?

It had to be part of his design. There's no other way around it unless we say that God is an incompetent designer.

All his creations are supposedly perfect. So if he designed a system, the only way death could get into it, is if he designed it to be so.

So may I ask, what part of our free will caused all evil and death

None of it caused evil and death. The system was already in place for evil and death to come into it. It was designed so it could.

are you still unsure about after all the times you've had it explained to you folk...???

I'm wondering why I have to keep explaining this to you Ted. The only way creation could become corrupted by sin is if it were designed in a way that it COULD become corrupted by sin. We as humans did not do the designing. It's not our fault that it was designed this way.

[Willum]

[Replying to OnceConvinced]

No, no please, allow TS to explain how sin is germane to the argument, I really can't see it, which I confess, is worse than denying it.

For example, when they "ate the apple," or introduced sin, et or al, then was it God who changed them from the eternal state to the way we are now, or was it when they ate they changed, or some other mechanism?

Very important the mechanism and the timing, I think.