Most of the world's major religions have holy books. Each are considered to be inspired by the members of certain religions.
Which do you think are divinely inspired and which are not?
And how do you know?
Which of these Holy Books are divinely inspired?
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Are all of these Holy Books really divinely inspired?
Post #2Old and New Testaments
Torah
Koran
The Sutras
Bhagavad-Gita
Alkitab Alaqdas
Tao-te-Ching
Questions:
1. Do you believe that all these Holy Books of the world's major religions are divinely inspired?
2. Do you believe that none of these Holy Book are divinely inspired?
3. If you believe certain of these Holy Books are divinely inspired, which ones, and what evidence can you present for or against?
Torah
Koran
The Sutras
Bhagavad-Gita
Alkitab Alaqdas
Tao-te-Ching
Questions:
1. Do you believe that all these Holy Books of the world's major religions are divinely inspired?
2. Do you believe that none of these Holy Book are divinely inspired?
3. If you believe certain of these Holy Books are divinely inspired, which ones, and what evidence can you present for or against?
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Re: Which of these Holy Books are divinely inspired?
Post #3[Replying to post 1 by polonius.advice]
I should think the first requirement of being a divinely inspired book is that the CLAIM to be a divinely inspired can be found in the book.
My understanding is that very few "holy books" outside of the bible, explicitly state they contain the throughts of God. I'm not even sure the the Quran does. But I will stand corrected if it does. I know The Quran does claim Mohammed is a prophet of God, does he say he is speaking God's throughts or his own? I would be interested in direct quotations with references from those that claim other holy books other than the bible claim to be inspired of God (contain the thoughts or expressions of God).
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I should think the first requirement of being a divinely inspired book is that the CLAIM to be a divinely inspired can be found in the book.
My understanding is that very few "holy books" outside of the bible, explicitly state they contain the throughts of God. I'm not even sure the the Quran does. But I will stand corrected if it does. I know The Quran does claim Mohammed is a prophet of God, does he say he is speaking God's throughts or his own? I would be interested in direct quotations with references from those that claim other holy books other than the bible claim to be inspired of God (contain the thoughts or expressions of God).
JW
Hinduism - Vedic hymns, are apparently a collection of ritualistic commentaries about these hymns, philosophical treatises (the Upanishads), and the epic stories known as Ramayana and the Mahabharata. (The Bhagavad Gita, a book containing moral instructions, is a part of the Mahabharata).
Buddha himself did not claim to be a god, and he said very little about God. Of Buddhisms Tipitaka (Three Collections), one volume is mainly about rules and regulations of community living for monks and nuns. Another volume deals mostly with Buddhist doctrines. A third volume is a record of the oral teachings of the Buddha.
The texts of Confucianism are an amalgam of records of events, moral rules, magical formulas, and songs
Adapted from . ~ w12 6/15 p. 27 par 8
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Re: Are all of these Holy Books really divinely inspired?
Post #4Taoteching 57polonius.advice wrote: Tao-te-Ching
3. If you believe certain of these Holy Books are divinely inspired, which ones, and what evidence can you present for or against?
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Re: Which of these Holy Books are divinely inspired?
Post #5JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 1 by polonius.advice]
I should think the first requirement of being a divinely inspired book is that the CLAIM to be a divinely inspired can be found in the book.
My understanding is that very few "holy books" outside of the bible, explicitly state they contain the throughts of God. I'm not even sure the the Quran does. But I will stand corrected if it does. I know The Quran does claim Mohammed is a prophet of God, does he say he is speaking God's throughts or his own? I would be interested in direct quotations with references from those that claim other holy books other than the bible claim to be inspired of God (contain the thoughts or expressions of God).
JW
Hinduism - Vedic hymns, are apparently a collection of ritualistic commentaries about these hymns, philosophical treatises (the Upanishads), and the epic stories known as Ramayana and the Mahabharata. (The Bhagavad Gita, a book containing moral instructions, is a part of the Mahabharata).
Buddha himself did not claim to be a god, and he said very little about God. Of Buddhisms Tipitaka (Three Collections), one volume is mainly about rules and regulations of community living for monks and nuns. Another volume deals mostly with Buddhist doctrines. A third volume is a record of the oral teachings of the Buddha.
The texts of Confucianism are an amalgam of records of events, moral rules, magical formulas, and songs
Adapted from . ~ w12 6/15 p. 27 par 8
Surah 1 (or 2) "The Cow" verse 1.."This book is not to be doubted, it is a guide for the righteous, who have faith in the unseen and are steadfast in prayer..."
Where does the Bible claim that the common 66 books of the Bible as we have them now is the Word of God?
The Canon of the Bible was decided by Commitee, the Qur'an was allegedly dictated by the angel Gabriel, word for word to the prophet Mohammad.
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-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
Re: Which of these Holy Books are divinely inspired?
Post #6RESPONSE:JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 1 by polonius.advice]
I should think the first requirement of being a divinely inspired book is that the CLAIM to be a divinely inspired can be found in the book.
My understanding is that very few "holy books" outside of the bible, explicitly state they contain the throughts of God. I'm not even sure the the Quran does. But I will stand corrected if it does. I know The Quran does claim Mohammed is a prophet of God, does he say he is speaking God's throughts or his own? I would be interested in direct quotations with references from those that claim other holy books other than the bible claim to be inspired of God (contain the thoughts or expressions of God).
JW
Hinduism - Vedic hymns, are apparently a collection of ritualistic commentaries about these hymns, philosophical treatises (the Upanishads), and the epic stories known as Ramayana and the Mahabharata. (The Bhagavad Gita, a book containing moral instructions, is a part of the Mahabharata).
Buddha himself did not claim to be a god, and he said very little about God. Of Buddhisms Tipitaka (Three Collections), one volume is mainly about rules and regulations of community living for monks and nuns. Another volume deals mostly with Buddhist doctrines. A third volume is a record of the oral teachings of the Buddha.
The texts of Confucianism are an amalgam of records of events, moral rules, magical formulas, and songs
Adapted from . ~ w12 6/15 p. 27 par 8
RESPONSE: Yes. That is the question I asked.I would be interested in direct quotations with references from those that claim other holy books other than the bible claim to be inspired of God (contain the thoughts or expressions of God).{I would be interested in direct quotations with references from those that claim other holy books other than the bible claim to be inspired of God (contain the thoughts or expressions of God).
Isn't this the Koran's claim to be divinely inspired?
Post #7The Quran is the holy book which Muslims recite and turn to for guidance in all aspects of their lives. Its verses have remained intact since their original revelation by God in the 7th century.
In the Quran, God addresses Prophet Muhammadp, You never recited any Scripture before We revealed this one to you; you never wrote one down with your hand (29:48). In other words, Prophet Muhammad, who was known to be illiterate, neither read any previous scriptures nor wrote the Quran.
https://www.whyislam.org/on-faith/quran ... rd-of-god/
In the Quran, God addresses Prophet Muhammadp, You never recited any Scripture before We revealed this one to you; you never wrote one down with your hand (29:48). In other words, Prophet Muhammad, who was known to be illiterate, neither read any previous scriptures nor wrote the Quran.
https://www.whyislam.org/on-faith/quran ... rd-of-god/
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Re: Which of these Holy Books are divinely inspired?
Post #8Do you recon that to be a claim of divine inspiration? I don't even see the word God mentioned there.Elijah John wrote:Surah 1 (or 2) "The Cow" verse 1"This book is not to be doubted, it is a guide for the righteous, who have faith in the unseen and are steadfast in prayer..."
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Did God himself state that he inspired the New Testament?
Post #9Please provide a quotation from the New Testament in which God says that he inspired the New Testament. Not someone else making that claim.
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Re: Which of these Holy Books are divinely inspired?
Post #10[Replying to JehovahsWitness]
According to Muhammad, while he was alone in a cave the angel Jabril (Gabriel) appeared to him on several occasions and commanded him to memorize the Words of God which the angel presented to him until he, Muhammad, could recite them back perfectly. This was the Qur'an, given to Muhammad and therefore humankind directly from God through the angel Gabriel. According to Muhammad.
This is considered to be one of the defining miracles of Islam.
According to Joseph Smith the angel Moroni appeared to Smith on several occasions while Smith was alone, and eventually directed Smith to find some golden plates. The plates were covered with strange writing which, through the power of God, Smith was able to decipher. This became the Book of Mormon, the third holy testament. According to Joseph Smith.
This is one of the defining miracles of Mormonism.
According to Moses, Moses went alone to the mountain and God gave instructions to Moses personally. Which Moses wrote down and which would form the Torah. And God showed Moses His butt, to seal the deal. According to Moses. And according to his descendants, the Levi priests.
Exodus 33:
[21] And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
[22] And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
[23] And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
Oddly, the obvious truth of any of these claims seems to have a direct relationship with what a person was indoctrinated to accept as undeniably true and therefore beyond question.
According to Muhammad, while he was alone in a cave the angel Jabril (Gabriel) appeared to him on several occasions and commanded him to memorize the Words of God which the angel presented to him until he, Muhammad, could recite them back perfectly. This was the Qur'an, given to Muhammad and therefore humankind directly from God through the angel Gabriel. According to Muhammad.
This is considered to be one of the defining miracles of Islam.
According to Joseph Smith the angel Moroni appeared to Smith on several occasions while Smith was alone, and eventually directed Smith to find some golden plates. The plates were covered with strange writing which, through the power of God, Smith was able to decipher. This became the Book of Mormon, the third holy testament. According to Joseph Smith.
This is one of the defining miracles of Mormonism.
According to Moses, Moses went alone to the mountain and God gave instructions to Moses personally. Which Moses wrote down and which would form the Torah. And God showed Moses His butt, to seal the deal. According to Moses. And according to his descendants, the Levi priests.
Exodus 33:
[21] And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
[22] And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
[23] And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
Oddly, the obvious truth of any of these claims seems to have a direct relationship with what a person was indoctrinated to accept as undeniably true and therefore beyond question.
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this." -- Albert Einstein -- Written in 1954 to Jewish philosopher Erik Gutkind.

