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Thank you, but I think the point has been made. Just because you define something a particular way does not magically poof it into existence.hoghead1 wrote: [Replying to benchwarmer]
What is my answer now? You have an extremely unique sense of perfection. I don't think I've seen anything quite like it. I'll say that for you.
If we used the same method to define Santa Claus, would that rationally mean that Santa must exist?hoghead1 wrote: [Replying to benchwarmer]
I think you missed the whole point of teh ontological argument, which is that by definition, yes, God does have to exist. The way God is defined does rationally men that God exists.
The ontological argument is a very slid argument accept by many philosophers. Bertrand Russell once said, "God in great booth, the ontological argument works."
Your dismissal of it is too quick.
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this." -- Albert Einstein -- Written in 1954 to Jewish philosopher Erik Gutkind.No, my dismissal of it is based on simple logic. You admit that by definition God exists, so why bother with an argument at all? You've defined it to be so, so it must be.hoghead1 wrote: [Replying to benchwarmer]
I think you missed the whole point of teh ontological argument, which is that by definition, yes, God does have to exist. The way God is defined does rationally men that God exists.
The ontological argument is a very slid argument accept by many philosophers. Bertrand Russell once said, "God in great booth, the ontological argument works."
Your dismissal of it is too quick.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.�
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV4 He is the Rock, his works are perfect,
and all his ways are just.
A faithful God who does no wrong,
upright and just is he.
He regretted making humans which are supposedly an image of perfection. He is so perfect He didn't see this coming? He is so perfect he created imperfect beings? His so perfect he changed His mind and regretted the whole thing? He is so perfect His only solution is to wipe out everything not just the beings causing the problems? Wow, you complained about my sense of perfection.6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.�
Satan took Jesus to the summit of a tall mountain where all the nations of Earth could be seen at once. This could only occur on a flat earth. As your altitude (a) increases without limit above a spherical Earth, the area you can see approaches 2*pi*(r+a)^2, or 50% of the area of the Earth, leaving the other half of the world obscured.theStudent wrote: No where in the Bible does it teach a flat earth.
If you insist, please provide evidence.
Also here:Talishi wrote:Satan took Jesus to the summit of a tall mountain where all the nations of Earth could be seen at once. This could only occur on a flat earth. As your altitude (a) increases without limit above a spherical Earth, the area you can see approaches 2*pi*(r+a)^2, or 50% of the area of the Earth, leaving the other half of the world obscured.theStudent wrote: No where in the Bible does it teach a flat earth.
If you insist, please provide evidence.
Given that not everyone lives within sight of a mountain, this doesn't work unless you assume a flat earth.All you people of the world, you who live on the earth, when a banner is raised on the mountains, you will see it, and when a trumpet sounds, you will hear it.
Hi T.Talishi wrote:Satan took Jesus to the summit of a tall mountain where all the nations of Earth could be seen at once. This could only occur on a flat earth. As your altitude (a) increases without limit above a spherical Earth, the area you can see approaches 2*pi*(r+a)^2, or 50% of the area of the Earth, leaving the other half of the world obscured.
There is one Word of God, but every denomination has its own list of which verses are literal, and which ones are merely symbolic. In the Catholic Church, the verses where Jesus says eat his flesh and drink his blood are literal, but those verses are symbolic to the Baptist churches. In the Baptist churches, the verses where souls are tormented by fire day and night forever are literal but to Seventh Day Adventists they are symbolic. In Seventh Day Adventist churches, the verses where God created the universe in seven days are literal, but to Catholics they are symbolic. Round and round we go.theStudent wrote: Would it not seem more reasonable that since the Devil was really just trying to get Jesus to obey him, that it likely was in a vision that the Devil led Jesus in?
