Other religions..

[Elijah John]

For debate, (addressed primarily to Theists) :

Do you see other religions, (and people who practice other religions) as enemies? Competitors? Or allies in the quest to bring people to God and His ways?

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 19 by Monta]



[center]What can we learn from religion?[/center]

right now I see other religions as something I can learn from.

Are you learning about their opinions, or are you learning facts?

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 12 by JehovahsWitness]



[center]God doesn't care how good we are[/center]

You don't see doctors, nurses, fire-fighters, police, anti-poverty volunteers as doing God's work?

They are certainly doing fine work, and should be commended for it, but they are not doing "God's Work".

And there we have it.. JehovahsWitness doesn't think that God's work has anything to do with morality. For all we know, JW believes that "God's work" can be IMMORAL.. as long as it has the correct label attached to it. And that is the JW label.

[Talishi]

And there we have it.. JehovahsWitness doesn't think that God's work has anything to do with morality. For all we know, JW believes that "God's work" can be IMMORAL.. as long as it has the correct label attached to it. And that is the JW label.

It is now. Tomorrow there might be "new light" just like the policy change on JWs participating online, or whether Jesus was executed on a cross vs. a stake, or whether Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were to be back on earth as perfect humans in 1925, or whether Jesus returned bodily in 1914 or just spiritually, or whether the roster of the 144,000 is closed for new members.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 20 by Peds nurse]

I would agree PN, in the end all judgement goes to God because He sees all and understands what something has cost someone and the effort they have made.

JW

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 24 by JehovahsWitness]


[center]Fallacious Religious Reasoning:
Mistaking preaching for debating.[/center]

I would agree PN, in the end all judgement goes to God because He sees all and understands what something has cost someone and the effort they have made.

I would disagree, JW, we don't know anything whatsoever about what the end might be like. Some people have beliefs about what may be... But I don't believe that they happen to own a time machine. Technology isn't THAT advanced yet.

Some people confuse their beliefs for facts. JW presents us his beliefs. His justification?

It's what he BELIEVES.

And then, like every other apologist, finds some Bible quote to "prove his point".

AND YET, many Christians do NOT agree with one another about "what may be". And they can find another Bible verse to "prove their point", too.

One preacher vs. another preacher.
"My beliefs are better or different than your beliefs".

I prefer chocolate ice cream over vanilla ice cream.
Is that fascinating? Should I now preach the wonders of chocolate ice cream?

Wouldn't that be more about ME than anything else?
Similarly with preachers going out of their way to tell us what kind of god beliefs they like. It tells us WAY more about themselves than about an actual REALITY... Ok, so a preacher likes one religious idea and not the other one. Great. Now we know that about the preacher. Thanks for filling us in like that.

Justification?... Bible verses.
Justification for any OTHER and even OPPOSITE religious views?.. Bible verses.

I am not impressed that PREACHING back and forth like this is debate.

There ARE outsiders to either preacher's faith reading these statements, you know.
These statements are statements of BELIEF.. over and over again, we get WHAT people believe.. with a Bible verse thrown in for good measure.
That's what people do in CHURCH.. they preach to us what they happen to believe, and then throw in a Bible verse or two to make it sound.. reasonable.

I call that PREACHING. Not debating anything at all.

So, thanks for sharing YET AGAIN.

Preachers preach to us what they HAPPEN to believe.
I'm sure that preachers are FASCINATED by their own beliefs.

But it's hardly DEBATE.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 23 by Talishi]

We would all be in the dark ages if we refused to acknowledge increased knowledge Talishi. When new discoveries or information becomes available it is the course of wisdom to accept it. This is how all progress is made.

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 26 by JehovahsWitness]



[center]Fallacious Religious Reasoning:
Mistaking opinion for fact.[/center]

We would all be in the dark ages if we refused to acknowledge increased knowledge Talishi. When new discoveries or information becomes available it is the course of wisdom to accept it. This is how all progress is made.

I don't know about Christians, but critical thinkers believe that knowledge is about facts. We are presented with all kinds of religious opinions ... but are these facts?

I wonder if JW can explain to us the difference between a fact and an opinion?

It's really too bad that he chooses to ignore any and all questions by the Blastcat, because if he DID answer the questions, it would help us understand his position.

But.. I suppose that to some apologists, it's more important to KEEP the faith than actually engage in debate with people who do NOT share their views.

So.... questions go unanswered.

[Talishi]

We would all be in the dark ages if we refused to acknowledge increased knowledge Talishi. When new discoveries or information becomes available it is the course of wisdom to accept it. This is how all progress is made.

Ah, yes, but Sacred tradition sets itself apart from the process of ongoing revelation.

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

[dio9]

[Replying to Blastcat]

I like learning about the practices of other religions. How well these may connect me with the sacred.

[JehovahsWitness]

We would all be in the dark ages if we refused to acknowledge increased knowledge Talishi. When new discoveries or information becomes available it is the course of wisdom to accept it. This is how all progress is made.

Ah, yes, but Sacred tradition sets itself apart from the process of ongoing revelation.

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

How does the verse you quoted even relate to your assertion? Jude speaks about revealed faith, but makes no illusion as to whether that revelation would be ongoing or not. The biblical tradition is indeed that of progressive revelation of the divine purpose.

JW