The God of Glory spoke creation into existence

[B Bob]

Thesis: The author of the Bible an d the One telling the story of creation is the God of Eternity, and He He permanently and eternally abides in a temple made without hands, and from His own temple, He spoke creation into existence by lifting up His voice of and from His own bodily form; Jesus Christ


Firstly, ALL scripture is authored by God. All writers wrote the scripture under or through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, if the Bible says it, God said it. If God said it, it is true whether we believe it or not.

Jesus said to the seventy : "he who heareth you, hearethh me." This was and is Jesus' attitude toward all of the scripture. Another example is found in John 5:45-47. Jesus said to the Jews who were persecuting Him "But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words? IOW's if you don't believe what God has said, then how can you believe what I am saying, I speak the words of God, because I am not only the son of man, but I AM also God.
All scripture are truly words spoken by God. Whenever the scriptures are quoted, God is the One that is heard.

Matt 22:31-32
But regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God: 32I AM THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, AND THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB? He (God) is not the God of the dead but of the living.


Job 3:23: Job sought the temple or tabernacle of God (fixed place where God resides), but could not find it, for it had not been revealed to him.

John 2:19-22: Jesus said He (His bodily form) was the temple of God. The temple made without hands.

Col 1:19: Jesus was eternally purposed to be the permanent and fixed dwelling of ALL the fullness of God

Col 2:9: Jesus is the permanent and eternal dwelling of ALL the fullness of God in bodily form (the resurrection and ascended Christ is the Glory of God that Moses saw the hinder parts of. Moses wrote about Him).

1 Cor 15:20-28, 27-28:P This is the depiction and description of who God is, in the end. God the Father subjected all things to the son of man (excepting Himself). After all His works were finished, the son, subjects himself in bodily form to God the Father, so God could be the ALL in ALL. This is the picture of who the God of eternity is. This is the God of the eternal day of creation; the true Sabbath day of God. The day that never ends.

Mark 2:27-28: For the above stated reason, this explains what Jesus meant when He said "man was not made for the Sabbath, but the Sabbath was made for man, therefore, the son of man, is Lord of the Sabbath.

Now, here is the thing: The author of the Bible and the One telling the story of His creation, is the eternal God depicted and described through the invisible thread of the Scriptures (I quoted enough to connect the dots, but many more scriptures lead to the same place because the Scriptures testify about the Glory of God: Jesus Christ).

Therefore, the Bible is written and God has spoken from His eternal place in Heaven. However, we still exist in the fullness of time of God's works. Even though He finished them before the foundation of the world.

If God finished His works before He made man (He did), then He spoke creation into existence from his place in eternity (He did), which is depicted in 1 Cor 15:20-28, 27-28 (it is, God eternally dwells in bodily form of the son of man, Jesus Christ).

We should now understand why Col 1:16-17 says all things were created by Him and through Him (God spoke creation by the voice and through the bodily form of Jesus Christ). God spoke creation into existence and the One who lifted up His voice is the One who is the ALL in ALL depicted in 1 Cor 15:27-28; All the fullness of God, eternally dwelling in the bodily form of His own Glory; Jesus Christ.

This means the voice that was heard at Jesus' baptism of John's baptism into repentance and at the transfiguration, came from God, the ALL in ALL. Why or how? Even before the foundation of the world, God finished all His works, therefore God is the God as depicted and described in 1 Cor 15:20-28, 27-28) that spoke creation into existence. He is also the only God that has ever spoken to man about who He is. He eternally abides in the bodily form of His own Glory; Jesus Christ.

This is the God of eternity and this is the only God that has ever spoken!

[Talishi]

Sure, the eating was bad, but not the tree itself....So where does it say that the tree was "assigned evil status" by a mere divine whim or not? You seem to be making things up about the story.

Help me to understand. Why was eating from the tree evil, but the tree itself was very good, if it was not a statement of divine whim with no objective basis?

The evil is found in the disobedience to GOD's command not to eat.

That's what I mean. Why would God command us not to eat something that he made and ensured was very good, unless he was playing a simple game? An artificial experiment in morality, where the morals do not roll out from an objective evil but an evil declared so by fiat.

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 6 by B Bob]

[Replying to post 4 by marco]

Read the scriptures. The physical body of Jesus is where all the fullness of God permanently abides.

If you don't believe the Bible was authored by God, fine, but I do. Therefore, my thesis is based on the word of God. Whether you believe it is trues or not is irrelevant to the truth. If God said it, it is true.

Well, in here.. the Bible is authoritative.
I don't know if we are supposed to also take the Bible as authored by God in this forum or not.

If the Bible says it, at least in here.. it's true.

End of story.

If you quote ANY passage in the Bible, in this subforum, it's true.
Not a point to be discussed at all.

So, it's true.
And your point is that the Bible is true.

Well, we assume that before entering the subforum.
It's true... you won that debate by entering the subforum.

So, now.. where does it say that the Bible was authored by God?

And please note: this is not a rhetorical question. I really don't know, so I'm asking those who do.

Thanks.

[ttruscott]

There is no record of god telling Eve not to eat of the fruit. It could have been Adam that told her what God said. This might explain why Eve added to the "word of God" when she said they were told "not to even touch". God never said not to touch, He only said not to eat. this is the first time someone misquoted God and the consequences were deadly.

Are you of the opinion then that everything ever said in the garden is written into this story?? Could not "not to even touch" be a hint that this is a too narrow pov?

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 41 by Talishi]


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That's what I mean. Why would God command us not to eat something that he made and ensured was very good, unless he was playing a simple game? An artificial experiment in morality, where the morals do not roll out from an objective evil but an evil declared so by fiat.

IF I postulate that when the Bible says that "God is good" or something to that effect, that it's not meant to be taken seriously. We can maybe be a bit street-wise and infer that what they REALLY mean is that "God is powerful".

Like in the Godfather movie.
He makes us an offer we cannot refuse.

[ttruscott]

Obviously a literal take is childish and absurd, so what was meant by such a tree that wasn't a tree, and fruit that weren't fruit?

Ahhh my point also on which I just gave my opinion.

The task in reading the Bible is to examine an interpretation for correctness and I cannot see how there is a method under the sun of determining which view is correct. There is a supposition that those who retire to the original language and detect some translational error are then best able to give us a true interpretation. But it is one thing to argue the virtues of translation but quite another to fathom what is intended by a passage and its symbols.

My agreement with this pov is the base of my constriction that to understand the Bible you don't need to study it so much as you have to get in touch with the writer and ask HIM what HE meant...Seek GOD first and trust not in your own understanding/study. Deep study will provide the options, only GOD can provide which one is the correct one.

In the end if we conclude that this work was divinely inspired and the result is a mass of conflicting interpretations, then we must question our iron conclusion.

Does the GOD who inspires not enter into this process of understanding at all?

[ttruscott]

Sure, the eating was bad, but not the tree itself....So where does it say that the tree was "assigned evil status" by a mere divine whim or not? You seem to be making things up about the story.

Help me to understand. Why was eating from the tree evil, but the tree itself was very good, if it was not a statement of divine whim with no objective basis?

The evil is found in the disobedience to GOD's command not to eat.

That's what I mean. Why would God command us not to eat something that he made and ensured was very good, unless he was playing a simple game? An artificial experiment in morality, where the morals do not roll out from an objective evil but an evil declared so by fiat.

You either missed post 15 or did not understand it. I answered this accusation there. If you need an expansion of the answer I will provide it.

[Yahu]

[Replying to Yahu]

I applaud the way you have done your homework on the subject.

It wasn't really homework. I knew a high priestess of Ashtoreth so I learned 1st hand about that ancient paganism and found passages in scripture talking about it but the passages were translated wrong because the translators didn't understand the context. When you understand the context it helps.

That prompted me to take Hebrew at a bible college to better understand how to figure out how the interpretation can vary so greatly.

The references in scripture to the paganism that the prophets were battling against is kind of my area of specialization. I ended up in a modern day conflict that paralleled the battle between Elijah and Jezebel.

So if you know that witchcraft was a major part of the ancient Canaanite paganism, many references to it make a lot more sense. You also have to understand the sexual worship aspect of it for understanding what the Asherah poles were used for. Then you have to understand the symbols used in that religion like the stock/pole/tree verses the pagan rock/stone/smooth stones and what they represent.

Without that understanding you get passages translated like one that says 'behind a tree in the midst of the garden' when in actuality it is a reference to ' a tree/asherah pole in the midst of the backside in the pagan grove'. It is a reference to appeasing the pagan gods via a sexual act but gets translated into a bit a useless poetry.

[Yahu]

Why would God command us not to eat something that he made and ensured was very good, unless he was playing a simple game?

That is simple. Lets take unclean foods for example. Many of those foods considered unclean are used to clean up the environment like carrion eaters. They have a purpose but it is not to be food for mankind.

[Yahu]

There is no record of god telling Eve not to eat of the fruit. It could have been Adam that told her what God said. This might explain why Eve added to the "word of God" when she said they were told "not to even touch". God never said not to touch, He only said not to eat. this is the first time someone misquoted God and the consequences were deadly.

IMO, Adam told Adamah (she wasn't Eve until they were expelled) not to even touch it. He added to the law of Yah attempting to protect his wife. It was his error to add things on top of Yah's law, the same error of the Pharisees.

When Eve touched the fruit, she was already in disobedience to her husband so thought she was already in violation of Yah's command so going ahead and eating it wasn't that big a step. She believed she was already under condemnation.

Then when she fell into error, she wanted her husband to follow her into that error so he couldn't condemn her if he was also guilty.

I had to deal with that same type of behavior in my own wife. Instead of repenting of an error, she would try to lead me into the same error to justify her own actions.

[hoghead1]

[Replying to post 47 by Yahu]

Very interesting. Love to hear more. The Christian mystical literature is rich in erotic imagery, suggesting sex is a way of communing with God.