Zeus leads his pantheon of angels and vicars on Earth, and under Zeus' divine wisdom, man received the following gifts.
Modern languages, Astronomy, Philosophy; many philosophies, Education, Mathematics, Architecture, concrete, refined sciences, surgery and medicine, Roads, the Calendar, history, news, public welfare: the supply of vegetables in winter (preventing scurvy and health problems), and supply of meats and grain in winter, bound books, roads, modern law, many engineerings, the modern alphabet, glass, light houses, mills, glazed pottery, modern soap and this is not a complete list, and possibly the most important invention, the one that makes a city modern and healthy, even today, the clean water and sewage system. How one gets to his heaven is righteousness and heroism.
Famine,mortality and infant deaths approached modern times.
Yahweh, leads his pantheon of angels and vicars on Earth, and performed the following:
He came after, whom essentially stripped away every one of Zeus' benefits, because they were from Zeus, and evil, replacing it with his truth and love, which included superiority of one race over others, a demeaning system of slavery, misogyny, more genocides than any other God, that cleanliness polluted your soul, that this God alone should heal, not men, that math and engineering were sorcery and led you to Hell, that the only truth was from one book, that famine and death were punishment for man's evil, that other schools of thought were evil. Insisted people only be educated in prescribed ways, like that the Sun moved around the Earth, and that nitrogen-fixing crops were against his will, but did say that a non-burdening system of sin removal would get you to heaven. This God also is in close communications with his followers, though not a single one can prove this.
Follow-up question, which one seems more real, one that seems to make judgments from ignorance, harming humanity, or one that seems genuinely interested in weal? Which God would you choose. Feel free to enter in other beneficial characteristics of either god, if you think I've missed any, and propose counter arguments.
Zeus or Jehovah, who is better?
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Post #2[Replying to post 1 by Willum]
For the purpose of the question, are we to presume both exist or that both are fictional?
For the purpose of the question, are we to presume both exist or that both are fictional?
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Post #4[Replying to post 3 by Willum]
That sounds fair, I would say Jehovah because he has been able to motivate 8 million people to go from door to door for him.
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That sounds fair, I would say Jehovah because he has been able to motivate 8 million people to go from door to door for him.
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Post #5Zeus shows us a delightful side where he chases handsome humans, thus removing the prudery that chokes the Bible. The gods look down on human folly and they interact with humans. I have absolutely no hesitation in choosing Zeus. Jehovah is a very poor replica but then his creators were desert brutes.Willum wrote:
Zeus leads his pantheon of angels and vicars on Earth, and under Zeus' divine wisdom, man received the following gifts.
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Post #6[Replying to post 4 by JehovahsWitness]
But what indeed have those 8 million accomplished? Have any truths been discovered, like under the Jovian administration? Are they able to show demonstratively through oracle or prophesy that any current event would or wouldn't occur?
Remember Apollo at Delphi was able to make excellent predictions, thus showing faith rewarded.
Have you ever considered that the "Dark Ages" were punishment for worshiping Yahweh, and that the Italian Renaissance was forgiveness by way of returning to the worship of 'Deus,' another name for Zeus?
But what indeed have those 8 million accomplished? Have any truths been discovered, like under the Jovian administration? Are they able to show demonstratively through oracle or prophesy that any current event would or wouldn't occur?
Remember Apollo at Delphi was able to make excellent predictions, thus showing faith rewarded.
Have you ever considered that the "Dark Ages" were punishment for worshiping Yahweh, and that the Italian Renaissance was forgiveness by way of returning to the worship of 'Deus,' another name for Zeus?
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Post #7Doesn't matter - the point is He (Jehovah) has motivated millions of people in the real world, to come out and campaign for Him. Zeus...? Not so much.Willum wrote: But what indeed have those 8 million accomplished?
Jehovah clearly has more influence than Zeus.
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Post #8[Replying to JehovahsWitness]
Well, be fair, presumably your religious ancestors, Catholics mostly, brutally murdered any Zeus worshipers in th Dark Ages and continued this brutal habit on and off until modern times.
And yet, such is the power of this Zeus that: You started using HIS name (as Deus) instead of Yaweh's or Elohims.
WE use Jovian Laws in our courts, use Jovian Philosophies in our thought, Jovian Logic in our reasoning and even the scientific method is resurrected from those beneficent times before the Dark Ages.
So with Catholics murdering everyone who worshiped benevolent Zeus, I think it is an amazing testament to his power that his art and beneficence survived the Dark Ages, despite the destructive and murderous efforts of Yahweh.
You must admit, it is noteworthy.
Well, be fair, presumably your religious ancestors, Catholics mostly, brutally murdered any Zeus worshipers in th Dark Ages and continued this brutal habit on and off until modern times.
And yet, such is the power of this Zeus that: You started using HIS name (as Deus) instead of Yaweh's or Elohims.
WE use Jovian Laws in our courts, use Jovian Philosophies in our thought, Jovian Logic in our reasoning and even the scientific method is resurrected from those beneficent times before the Dark Ages.
So with Catholics murdering everyone who worshiped benevolent Zeus, I think it is an amazing testament to his power that his art and beneficence survived the Dark Ages, despite the destructive and murderous efforts of Yahweh.
You must admit, it is noteworthy.
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Post #9[Replying to post 8 by Willum]
Catholics have never been known for going from door to door preaching and their Pope has banned the pronouncing of the name JEHOVAH in their prayers and services, so obviously I am not talking about them.
Jehovah has motivated his people to go from door to door - 8 million of them - how many Zeus believers are knocking on doors to talk about him?
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Catholics have never been known for going from door to door preaching and their Pope has banned the pronouncing of the name JEHOVAH in their prayers and services, so obviously I am not talking about them.
Jehovah has motivated his people to go from door to door - 8 million of them - how many Zeus believers are knocking on doors to talk about him?
JW
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Re: Zeus or Jehovah, who is better?
Post #10JehovahsWitness wrote:Doesn't matter - the point is He (Jehovah) has motivated millions of people in the real world, to come out and campaign for Him. Zeus...? Not so much.Willum wrote: But what indeed have those 8 million accomplished?
Jehovah clearly has more influence than Zeus.
Influence? Yes, he inspired people to burn witches and his twisted view of young ladies having inappropriate relations has condemned many to slaughter. You are confusing the malign influence of Jehovah with the friendlier approach of Christ. In many theocracies today we must blame Jehovah for merciless beheadings. Zeus employed more humanity. He was undoubtedly better.

