Zeus or Jehovah, who is better?

[Willum]

Zeus leads his pantheon of angels and vicars on Earth, and under Zeus' divine wisdom, man received the following gifts.

Modern languages, Astronomy, Philosophy; many philosophies, Education, Mathematics, Architecture, concrete, refined sciences, surgery and medicine, Roads, the Calendar, history, news, public welfare: the supply of vegetables in winter (preventing scurvy and health problems), and supply of meats and grain in winter, bound books, roads, modern law, many engineerings, the modern alphabet, glass, light houses, mills, glazed pottery, modern soap and this is not a complete list, and possibly the most important invention, the one that makes a city modern and healthy, even today, the clean water and sewage system. How one gets to his heaven is righteousness and heroism.
Famine,mortality and infant deaths approached modern times.

Yahweh, leads his pantheon of angels and vicars on Earth, and performed the following:

He came after, whom essentially stripped away every one of Zeus' benefits, because they were from Zeus, and evil, replacing it with his truth and love, which included superiority of one race over others, a demeaning system of slavery, misogyny, more genocides than any other God, that cleanliness polluted your soul, that this God alone should heal, not men, that math and engineering were sorcery and led you to Hell, that the only truth was from one book, that famine and death were punishment for man's evil, that other schools of thought were evil. Insisted people only be educated in prescribed ways, like that the Sun moved around the Earth, and that nitrogen-fixing crops were against his will, but did say that a non-burdening system of sin removal would get you to heaven. This God also is in close communications with his followers, though not a single one can prove this.

Follow-up question, which one seems more real, one that seems to make judgments from ignorance, harming humanity, or one that seems genuinely interested in weal? Which God would you choose. Feel free to enter in other beneficial characteristics of either god, if you think I've missed any, and propose counter arguments.

[marco]

Jehovah has motivated his people to go from door to door - 8 million of them - how many Zeus believers are knocking on doors to talk about him?

If going from door to door selling something is taken to be good then I must reassess my view of the people who knock on one's door keen to fix a faulty roof that isn't faulty. And of course there are those who knock on doors to trick the gullible into letting them come in.

But at Christmas people do come round and ask for donations for charities. We can SEE the good that is being done there.

[JehovahsWitness]

at Christmas people do come round and ask for donations for charities. We can SEE the good that is being done there.

I'm sure we can, but this is a contest between Zeus and Jehovah not between charities and Jehovah. Let Zeus not the red cross, produce his witnesses. If he can.

[marco]

at Christmas people do come round and ask for donations for charities. We can SEE the good that is being done there.

I'm sure we can, but this is a contest between Zeus and Jehovah not between charities and Jehovah. Let Zeus not the red cross, produce his witnesses. If he can.

That is a clever way to view the debate, JW. Zeus has passed into immortality, has gone the road from which no traveller returns. Jehovah is still current.

But as for producing "witnesses", neither Zeus nor Jehovah possesses any. We have wonderful choristers singing the praise of Zeus but they are not witnesses. And Moses claimed to have seen the rear portion of Jehovah but for all we know it might have been a dromedary. Alas, JW, neither deity supplies witnesses. Are we to accept false messengers?

[JehovahsWitness]

Zeus has passed into immortality, has gone the road from which no traveller returns. Jehovah is still current.

I would like to add another point to why Jehovah beats Zeus:

- Jehovah is still current.


JW

[Elijah John]

Zeus has passed into immortality, has gone the road from which no traveller returns. Jehovah is still current.

I would like to add another point to why Jehovah beats Zeus:

- Jehovah is still current.


JW

Still current and ongoing = the Eternal, the Living God. By that definition, He who is, is He who always will be, the "great I AM", and that means YHVH.

[Willum]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness]

It is probably going to make you cry, but people still worship Zeus today.
Despite over 1000 years of persecution and murder by your religious brethren. Sorry.

Here's the Yahoo 'Readers Digest,' version with links... https://answers.yahoo.com/question/inde ... 444AAmoNbX

And again, I feel I must point out that in terms of influence:
Jovian laws are in most courts in the world, Roman Law.
Yahwehs laws are respected nowhere, not even by the majority of those who revere him. In fact you pick and choose and justify and even debate on this site why you are right to ignore the ones that displease you.
Break Jove's law you go to jail. Despite what you believe about it.

Everywhere you look, you see roads with Jovian foundations, building with Jovian foundations, Logic, Science, (please see OP for full description) all conducted under auspices of Jove.

What is 8 million compared to that following?

As is lain out in the OP, your argument seems to be "my religious ancestors killed all of Zeus' religious ancestors, therefore Yahweh is better."
Basically, as the God Augustus might quip: You decimated Jove's halls of Marble so that everyone would venerate Yahweh's mud huts.

So my counter is, "all" of the works and marvels of the world were begun under Jove, destroyed under Yahweh, and slowly relearned as Yahweh's Laws were more and more disregarded.

[JehovahsWitness]

but people still worship Zeus today.

I don't doubt it, but are there 8 million of them going from door to door all over the world? If so why have I never had a visit? Most people can testify they have seen Jehovah's Witnesses doing this work or had at least one personal visit in their lives.

Are you suggesting Zeus has managed to motivate this many people to do that work for him?

JW

[Clownboat]

[Replying to post 3 by Willum]

That sounds fair, I would say Jehovah because he has been able to motivate 8 million people to go from door to door for him.

JW

It would seem that it is the Jehovah Witnesses as an organization that has gotten 8 million people to go from door to door. Yes, this organizations efforts revolve around this Jehovah idea, but to claim that there is an actual Jehovah behind these people going door to door will need some evidence.

These followers can only hang out with other Witnesses and they cannot celebrate birthdays nor play organized sports. With that kind of control over the followers, who is surprised the organization can get their followers to go door to door in an attempt to keep the organization alive?

Mormons as well as others go door to door. Therefore going door to door cannot be an assurance that a religion holds any truth.

(I was a fundamentalist and a street evangelizer. Does that make my beliefs true? Do 'I' know what a rhetorical question is?)

[Willum]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness]

Suggesting, brother?
That's a big negative.

I am saying Zeus has the entire European, Canadian, Australian, US and probably other Justice Department working according to his direction, and has since 449 BCE. What's 8 million to that?

They don't visit you, because you rely on them. Those are his witnesses. Can you dispute with them?

Think of all the GOOD that Jovian wisdom has done, despite Yahweh's attempts to destroy it.
You have roads, fresh water, sewage, medicine, science, logic, all under the Jovian auspices.
What DO we have under Yahweh's mercy?

I am saying that virtually every department of public works is based on Jovian benevolence.

No, Catholics murdered anyone who may have gone door-to-door for Zeus. Please see this link you didn't examine before: http://www.ysee.gr/index-eng.php?type=e ... ovestories
On the other hand, Zeus' wisdom was Universal wisdom. It doesn't require door-to-door salesmen. This is consistent with any real truth, I think you'll agree.

It was evolution, architecture, morality, logic. Rules and laws that are so non-contentious, that they are being accepted more and more as the laws of Yahwey are forgotten.

[Elijah John]

Willum,

I'm not getting the connection you are trying to draw between Reason and the mythic God Zeus.

All the benefits you cite are the products of Reason. But how is Reason connected to Zeus?

Deists champion Reason, Deism evolved from Christianity, but also granted has Classical roots.

Do you consider Deists to be "Jovian" as well?