Zeus or Jehovah, who is better?

[Willum]

Zeus leads his pantheon of angels and vicars on Earth, and under Zeus' divine wisdom, man received the following gifts.

Modern languages, Astronomy, Philosophy; many philosophies, Education, Mathematics, Architecture, concrete, refined sciences, surgery and medicine, Roads, the Calendar, history, news, public welfare: the supply of vegetables in winter (preventing scurvy and health problems), and supply of meats and grain in winter, bound books, roads, modern law, many engineerings, the modern alphabet, glass, light houses, mills, glazed pottery, modern soap and this is not a complete list, and possibly the most important invention, the one that makes a city modern and healthy, even today, the clean water and sewage system. How one gets to his heaven is righteousness and heroism.
Famine,mortality and infant deaths approached modern times.

Yahweh, leads his pantheon of angels and vicars on Earth, and performed the following:

He came after, whom essentially stripped away every one of Zeus' benefits, because they were from Zeus, and evil, replacing it with his truth and love, which included superiority of one race over others, a demeaning system of slavery, misogyny, more genocides than any other God, that cleanliness polluted your soul, that this God alone should heal, not men, that math and engineering were sorcery and led you to Hell, that the only truth was from one book, that famine and death were punishment for man's evil, that other schools of thought were evil. Insisted people only be educated in prescribed ways, like that the Sun moved around the Earth, and that nitrogen-fixing crops were against his will, but did say that a non-burdening system of sin removal would get you to heaven. This God also is in close communications with his followers, though not a single one can prove this.

Follow-up question, which one seems more real, one that seems to make judgments from ignorance, harming humanity, or one that seems genuinely interested in weal? Which God would you choose. Feel free to enter in other beneficial characteristics of either god, if you think I've missed any, and propose counter arguments.

[Willum]

[Replying to KenRU]

Great little point you've made. Thor had a function in the North, though, unlike Zeus, I don't think you can show he did anything, more akin to Yahweh, the Vikings killed many a folk, I wonder if that was in Thor's name?

But perhaps there are several gods, that appeal to different followers.

Yahweh's appeal to the message of "peace and love," all the while eliminating anyone who doesn't agree with them. While Zeus seems to promote endeavor and weal.

[KenRU]

Thor had a function in the North, though, unlike Zeus, I don't think you can show he did anything,

Sure, he did. He got rid of the Frost Giants! : )

I'm way more impressed that there are no Frost Giants running around wreaking havoc (thanks to Thor), then I am about ordinary folk going door to door.

As someone said earlier, that's just a nuisance. Frost Giants, well, those are quite dangerous.

-all the best


Oh, and one more thing: Thursday = Thor's day.

Thor has a day of the week named after him. Top that, lol.

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 3 by Willum]

That sounds fair, I would say Jehovah because he has been able to motivate 8 million people to go from door to door for him.

JW

Question - Does anyone know the total population of worshippers of Zeus? If that number is found to be higher or ever have been higher than the number of Jehovah's Witnesses, does this make Zeus better than ol J?

Well if a Zeus Worshipper ever knocks on my door to talk to me about Zeus I'll be sure to ask him. Then I'll get my skates and and bonnet because hell would surely have just frozen over.

I thought it likely you'd miss something that I said in my post. Notice that I said "is found to be higher (as in present tense) or ever have been higher (as in past tense)".
Your argument seems to be based entirely on the fact that the JW organisation numbers 8 million at present.
Okay. During the heyday of worship of the Greek pantheon, was that number ever 8 million too or higher? If we found out that there once was 9 million worshippers of Zeus and/or other Greek gods, would that mean you'd switch to saying Zeus is better?

What if fifty years from now, the JW as a group no longer exist?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 3 by Willum]

That sounds fair, I would say Jehovah because he has been able to motivate 8 million people to go from door to door for him.

JW

Question - Does anyone know the total population of worshippers of Zeus? If that number is found to be higher or ever have been higher than the number of Jehovah's Witnesses, does this make Zeus better than ol J?

Well if a Zeus Worshipper ever knocks on my door to talk to me about Zeus I'll be sure to ask him. Then I'll get my skates and and bonnet because hell would surely have just frozen over.

I thought it likely you'd miss something that I said in my post. Notice that I said "is found to be higher (as in present tense) or ever have been higher (as in past tense)".

I thought you'd miss the entire point of what I said in my post. Notice I was talking about the modern day activity of door to door witnessing (in the present tense).

Zeus (for all intents and purposes) is dead, in that the number of his worshippers are evidently negligible - their presence on the modern day religious scene is far from noticable. The age of science and enlightenment killed him. JEHOVAH is still alive and has evidently been alive enough to motivate millions to testify to his continued existence. That Zeus was alive and worshipped when most people were ignorant of modern means of communication and the transmission of information that we have today is fine and dandy, but this is a case of "last man standing".

In my experience even those that claim to worship Zeus, and I have yet to see anything that convinces me that their numbers are significant, don't actually believe he exists as an actual person, a living individual. One that I spoke to referred to him being more symbolic of a higher power... If he can't even convince all his followers (TODAY) that he exists how great can he be?

JEHOVAH on the other hand has convinced millions not only he is real but to go and campaign for Him, witnessing for Him and His incoming government from door to door. When Zeus (the "dead" one) does that (today in our modern age), he may have some claim to greatness.

My skates and bonnet remain at the ready, I await "his" call.


JW

[alexxcJRO]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness]

"Zeus (for all intents and purposes) is dead, in that the number of his worshippers are evidently negligible...
JEHOVAH on the other hand has convinced millions not only he is real but to go and campaign for Him, witnessing for Him and His incoming government from door to door."

Nonsense. Numbers of people believing in something is irrelevant.
Billions could wrong while only few could be right.

Argumentum ad populum
In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition is true because many or most people believe it: "If many believe so, it is so."

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 44 by JehovahsWitness]

JEHOVAH on the other hand has convinced millions not only he is real but to go and campaign for Him, witnessing for Him and His incoming government from door to door.

I just want to ask this:
Does this claim mean that Jehovah has personally convinced each and every one of those millions of people to witness for him?
If yes, how do you know the motivations of the millions of people in your organisation?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 44 by JehovahsWitness]

JEHOVAH on the other hand has convinced millions not only he is real but to go and campaign for Him, witnessing for Him and His incoming government from door to door.

I just want to ask this:
Does this claim mean that Jehovah has personally convinced each and every one of those millions of people to witness for him?
If yes, how do you know the motivations of the millions of people in your organisation?

They all have to testify publically go on record as to their conviction at their baptism. Since I know the procedure I can confidently say that they all hold the same position as stated.

My statement was based on a reasonable assessements of the available facts; if one of Jehovah's Witnesses is standing at your door I can guarantee therefore that he or she will testify that Jehovah exists, that he has a government, that he or she are subjects to that Government and that they are motivated primarily by love of that God JEHOVAH to be there.

Feel free to test the above claim next time you have one of Jehovah's Witnesses at your door.

JW


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[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 47 by JehovahsWitness]

They all have to testify publically go on record as to their conviction at their baptism. Since I know the procedure I can confidently say that they all hold the same position as stated.

What happens if a wanne-be JW saws otherwise at their baptism? What happens to them?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 47 by JehovahsWitness]

They all have to testify publically go on record as to their conviction at their baptism. Since I know the procedure I can confidently say that they all hold the same position as stated.

What happens if a wanne-be JW saws otherwise at their baptism? What happens to them?

We send them to Siberia to be eaten by wolves. Seriously, you are effectively asking.. What happens if someone that wants to be baptized as one of Jehovah's Witnesses doesn't want to be baptised as one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

Anyone that wants to be baptised has to make a public declaration that they are fully aware of what that step involved. If they don't want to then nobody is forcing them to become one. Think of it like a wedding, when before witnesses the person officiating the ceremony asks if you take this man or woman, if you don't want them, they just say "No" instead of "Yes".

If someone gets to the point of baptism, they want to be there. If they have second thoughts when asked if they want to go ahead, they have but to say "No" instead of "Yes" and not do it.

[Willum]

[Replying to alexxcJRO]

That is NOT the argument - the argument is, if one god's followers kill and persecute another's followers, such that their numbers are small, does that make one god or another, right?

That's the question people will not answer.

Obviously because of the many different natures of truth it exposes.
Yahweh's followers destroyed human reason, many populations, destroyed cultures, destroyed and forgot technology, did not practice medicine, because it was evil, and all done in the name of love.
In my mind name only:

Think of the plagues, famine, misery endured because the followers of Yahweh abandoned the benevolence of Zeus, under the Dark Ages.

No wonder Yahweh needs a press core. Yahweh promises love, and does not deliver, other gods get rid of frost giants, and son of a gun, not frost giants.