Evangelicals vs. Jehovah's Witnesses

[Elijah John]

Evangelicals often call Jehovah's Witnesses, a "cult" and not Christian.

Jehovah's Witnesses, seem to consider Roman Catholics, Protestants, Eastern Orthodox etc, "not-Christian" (JWs please correct me if I'm wrong on this)

Question for debate, why can't all of these groups rightly be considered "Christian"?

And part two of this OP question is directed primarily to Evangelicals, why don't you consider JWs to be Christian?

[tam]

But they need to follow the rules of the WTS or be disowned. This is obeying every rule of the WTS. And it says that if one is disfellowed, then they lose their salvation therefore you are in disagreement with the WTS.

I find it odd that people think that the Bible's rules were made up by the WTS.

Folks these are not WTS rules.

"But now I am writing you to stop keeping company with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man." - 1 Cor 5:11

Paul changed his tune by his next letter with regard to shunning or expelling someone.

No he didn't. Therefore the rest of your argument is invalid. Again, if you don't want to follow the rules of the Bible then don't be in a religion that follows them.

The rest of my argument had nothing to do with that comment. Hence the word "regardless".

I think your words speak for themselves with regard to 'avoiding' the rest of the argument.



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

And your words speak for you avoiding what the Bible says.

How would you know? You did not read them. And Paul DID change His tune because where he said that the Corinthians should shun the sinner, in the next letter he says that they should embrace him and forgive him, if there was even anything to forgive.

And his later letters have him teaching as Christ taught with regard to NOT judging.

The rest of my post was "REGARDLESS" of that (read it or not as you choose).



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[tam]

The rest of your argument without scriptural support is rejected and there is no need to address it. If you have something from the Bible then I'm all ears.

How do you know what the rest of my argument is if you didn't read it?


Peace again.

[2timothy316]

The rest of your argument without scriptural support is rejected and there is no need to address it. If you have something from the Bible then I'm all ears.

How do you know what the rest of my argument is if you didn't read it?


Peace again.

The first thing I skim for when reading a post is scriptures. Your posts have no scriptures. So I didn't bother reading it in detail. I have been at this long enough to know when a post is just another person trying to serve God based on their feelings and not scripture. So if you want me to listen what you have to say, lead with the Bible. Otherwise it just your word verses God's Word, the Bible. To me the Bible wins every time. If it doesn't for you, that's fine. I said that 1 Cor 5:11 must be followed and you gave nothing scriptural to refute it. It seems to me that what upsets you is that JW do follow and enforce what the Bible says. I'm guessing you don't like that. To which all I can say is, what I have keep saying, don't become a JW if you don't want to follow the Bible. Because that is what we do. So if you don't have any scriptural support for your argument, we're done here.

[marco]

And your words speak for you avoiding what the Bible says. Again, if you don't want to follow what was written at 1 Cor 5:11. Then don't. If you want to shame us for following it that's fine. It's not you and your ways we are trying to serve.

Jesus taught people to go beyond mere words and act out of goodness and charity. The simplest thing is to go by what Christ did and said, rather than adhere to an impression of what Christ's message was about. Here is Jesus refuting those who tell us to shun the sinner:


Mark 2:13-17New International Version (NIV)



13 Once again Jesus went out beside the lake. A large crowd came to him, and he began to teach them. 14 As he walked along, he saw Levi son of Alphaeus sitting at the tax collector’s booth. “Follow me,� Jesus told him, and Levi got up and followed him.

15 While Jesus was having dinner at Levi’s house, many tax collectors and sinners were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. 16 When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: “Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?�

17 On hearing this, Jesus said to them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.�

So much for shunning the sinner!

[tam]

The rest of your argument without scriptural support is rejected and there is no need to address it. If you have something from the Bible then I'm all ears.

How do you know what the rest of my argument is if you didn't read it?


Peace again.

The first thing I skim for when reading a post is scriptures.

This post of yours right here has no scriptures. Does that mean I should skip it?

As for my post that was in response to yours, I most certainly did reference scripture. I referenced the prodigal son. I referenced what Christ said people would do to those who belong to Him, even quoted specifically. Also referenced what Paul did in his next letter, and subsequent letters. I referenced Christ's words on judging and mercy as well.

So your reason for not reading my post is invalid.

However, YOU made a claim that the WTS rules are all bible rules. That claim is false. As I stated/showed in my post.

Your posts have no scriptures.

Demonstrably false.

So I didn't bother reading it in detail.

If you had read in detail, perhaps you would not have missed the quotes and references to what is written.

So if you want me to listen what you have to say, lead with the Bible.

What I want (or don't care about) has no bearing on this discussion. You made claims (and those claims were NOT scriptural themselves), I challenged and countered those claims.

I did not make guesses as to what your personal likes and dislikes as you have done with me. I discussed the content, asked questions, referenced Christ and things that are written, referenced some of the teachings and practices of your religion, gave you some possible answers to the questions you asked about why someone might change their mind on what they once believed, and why they might want to remain even if they did disagree.

I said that 1 Cor 5:11 must be followed and you gave nothing scriptural to refute it.

1Cor 5:11 has to do with those who are doing as you suggested: leaving (or being df'd from) the wts because they do not wish to follow bible rules.

Then you stated that the WTS rules are all bible rules.

Both statements are false, and THAT is what I addressed.

It seems to me that what upsets you is that JW do follow and enforce what the Bible says.

I could not be upset about that because it is not true. Some things from the bible you follow and enforce; other things you do not follow; and some things you enforce are not from the bible to begin with.

I used examples in my first post, I am not going to repeat them.



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[2timothy316]

1Cor 5:11 has to do with those who are doing as you suggested: leaving (or being df'd from) the wts because they do not wish to follow bible rules.

Then you stated that the WTS rules are all bible rules.

Both statements are false, and THAT is what I addressed.

Prove it.

[tam]

1Cor 5:11 has to do with those who are doing as you suggested: leaving (or being df'd from) the wts because they do not wish to follow bible rules.

Then you stated that the WTS rules are all bible rules.

Both statements are false, and THAT is what I addressed.

Prove it.

Read and respond to the post that you refused to read and respond to then. I gave examples in that post.

Or don't. Your choice.



Peace again,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[2timothy316]

1Cor 5:11 has to do with those who are doing as you suggested: leaving (or being df'd from) the wts because they do not wish to follow bible rules.

Then you stated that the WTS rules are all bible rules.

Both statements are false, and THAT is what I addressed.

Prove it.

Read and respond to the post that you refused to read and respond to then. I gave examples in that post.

Or don't. Your choice.



Peace again,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

I see no proof in your posts. I see unsubstantiated accusations. That is all.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to post 503 by tam]

Here is an easy question because I can see your problem is not just JWs but really anyone that follows scriptures like 1 Cor 5:11.

Should any of the following scriptures be followed? Yes or no answer only. I say yes. What say you?

Romans 16:17 - "Now I urge you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them."

2 John 9 - "Everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. The one who does remain in this teaching is the one who has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him."

[2timothy316]

Sadly, I know this is going in one ear and out the other for some people.

Do you not think that this could be said of you as well?

Nope.