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What is God responsible for?

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Many things were done in God's name:
But what is he responsible for?

When the Catholic Nazi Germany attempts a genocide, a man is blamed.
When Hebrews commit genocide on the Canaan, it is his will.

We have plagues, on Catholic countries, for example. The Dark Ages were committed in Yahweh's name. Were they?

Why would Yahweh plunge the civilization of Rome, with health, farming and sanitation, back into the primitive squalor of ancient Jerusalem, if so?

If not, why did he not stop such a terror? It seems to be in His purview.

How does one determine if an act is done in God's will, or men's will?
Does the Bible tell us?

Understanding that free will is a constraint - we can also understand that mob's and large numbers of people lose free will, does this fall into God's purview, then?

In short, how does one know what God is responsible for;
Any group decision?
A decision influenced by prayer?

The position is that presented by Romans 13:
Obey the rulers who have authority over you. Only God can give authority to anyone, and he puts these rulers in their places of power. 2 People who oppose the authorities are opposing what God has done, and they will be punished. 3 Rulers are a threat to evil people, not to good people. There is no need to be afraid of the authorities. Just do right, and they will praise you for it. 4 After all, they are God’s servants, and it is their duty to help you.
The position of the OP is: those atrocities committed by governments, God's will, and he is responsible for them.

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[Replying to post 30 by JehovahsWitness]

So, which government?
Stalin's?
The US?

What are you talking about?

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Willum wrote: God is perfect tells me nothing, in that I see no perfection in any of his works.
You don't have to see it, the scripture says it therefore it is true. Whether one sees something is usually dependent on where one is looking. I cannot debate what you can see, but I can point out what the bible says on the topic of seeing. For example Jesus said of the Pharisees and others that listened to him:
"This is why I speak to them by the use of illustrations, because, looking, they look in vain, and hearing, they hear in vain, neither do they get the sense of it; and toward them the prophecy of Isaiah is having fulfillment, which says, ‘By hearing, you will hear but by no means get the sense of it; and, looking, you will look but by no means see. For the heart of this people has grown unreceptive, and with their ears they have heard without response, and they have shut their eyes; that they might never see with their eyes and hear with their ears and get the sense of it with their hearts and turn back, and I heal them." —Matthew 13:10, 11, 13-15; Mark 4:10-12; Luke 8:9, 10.
CONCLUSION: Evidently, not everyone would "see" the same thing when it comes to divine instruction.


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[Replying to post 32 by JehovahsWitness]

Perhaps this is true, and I will even grant it, but how does this help describe anything in the conversation?
It is completely unhelpful.

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Willum wrote: [Replying to post 30 by JehovahsWitness]

So, which government?
Stalin's?
The US?

What are you talking about?
I'm talking about God's Government, which I have already described in some detail with relevant scriptures.
Which government? God's Government - explained here
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 88#p835788

Explained again here ...
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 65#p835865

Further reading here: God’s Kingdom—A Government With No Corruption
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/maga ... orruption/
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[Replying to post 34 by JehovahsWitness]

There is no God's government.
Unless you mean the Vatican, Holy Roman Empire...
You are just adding fuel to the flames of confusion, not elaborating.

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Willum wrote: [Replying to post 34 by JehovahsWitness]

There is no God's government.

There is a God's Government, the proof is in the scriptures I have already presented and explained above.
- Isaiah 9:6; Mat 28: 19
- Phil 3:20
- Isaiah 11:9; Rev 7:9
- Dan 2:44
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So you are saying God is responsible for the abstract and unprovable? I'll grant you that, as well.

I am talking about terrestrial influence!

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[Replying to post 37 by Willum]

I have provided the proof, the proof is in the bible. So no, my points are not unprovable since I have proven them with scripture.
Willum wrote:I am talking about terrestrial influence!
So am I, I references all the things God is doing on earth at the moment as well as the terrestial blessings and gifts he is responsible for as per your OP.


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[Replying to post 38 by JehovahsWitness]

All I am getting is confused.
I have read the scripture, it is not germane to the topic.

Try using it to explain Cortes for example.
God's action, or God abhorred?

Do not use "I think," or IMO.

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Willum wrote:Do not use "I think," or IMO.
I will use any expressions I wish and post exactly as I see fit, if I want to say something is my opinion or that "I think" something I will do exactly that. If I post anything that you feel violates forum guidelines feel free to report it otherwise there is always the opinon of scrolling down.

I'm sorry you are confused but that is not my fault, you asked what God is doing on earth today and I explained with scriptural proof. You asked what he is responsible for, I provided scriptures or that too. I think, that is in my opinion (IMO) my posts are entirely relevant to the question you asked.
Willum wrote:How does one determine if an act is done in God's will, or men's will?

Does the Bible tell us?
Yes, the bible does tell us. Through Jesus Christians have clear instructions what God's will is for humans today. His will is that His (God's) name be sanctified. That his name be cleared of reproach and that today his people preach the good news that that will soon happen (see Mat 24:14)


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