Paradise on Earth

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:25 am

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

dio9 · Post by **dio9** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:38 pm

[Replying to post 170 by Blastcat]

I believe God created the big bang. Can't imagine how but believe God put his spin on it.

Blastcat · Post by **Blastcat** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:27 pm

[Replying to post 171 by dio9]

dio9 wrote:
I believe God created the big bang. Can't imagine how but believe God put his spin on it.

Do you believe in the Genesis kind of creation?

dio9 · Post by **dio9** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:56 pm

[Replying to post 172 by Blastcat]

I think it does a good job for a pre-scientific people. The progression of events is definitely correct as described .

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:51 am

dio9 wrote: [Replying to post 170 by Blastcat]

I believe God created the big bang. Can't imagine how but believe God put his spin on it.

I do too.

I remember when scientists discovered the Big Bang. Evolutionists were eating their hats, so to speak. They realized that there had to be a cause! Then they started admitting that fossils in the geological record showed that there were spurts in forms of animals, that certain animals showed up without gradual in-between forms. They had a hard time explaining that.

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onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:55 am

rikuoamero wrote:
onewithhim wrote: [Replying to post 152 by Blastcat]

I was just trying to deflate his pomposity a little.

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Care to tell me where I was being pompous? Unless I'm mistaken, which of us here is saying they understand what God is, what his characteristics are? (while at the same time claiming that only God knows what the definitions for characteristics even mean, curiously enough...)

I never said (and maybe you can show me where I did, if you think so) that we cannot know what his characteristics mean. I said that it is God who decides what he is like. That doesn't mean that we can't understand his basic attributes and the way he does things.

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:00 am

marco wrote:
dio9 wrote:
Volcanoes are going to act like volcanoes , really you can't blame God for volcanoes and polar bears .
And lo, God made the volcano and the polar bear and he saw that they were good. Or words to that effect!

I think if I set a trap I am responsible for the injuries it causes. No?

The polar bear and the lion and the viper were originally created as tame and friendly to humans. It was after the Flood that God said humans could eat animals, and the animals became afraid of humans & even turned on each other. After Armageddon the fierce animals will be tame again and "eat straw like the bull." (Isaiah 11:6-9; Isaiah 65:25)

Volcanoes might not be such a danger if people would not make cities right next to them.

marco · Post by **marco** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:11 am

onewithhim wrote:
The polar bear and the lion and the viper were originally created as tame and friendly to humans.

I would like to see a piece of Scripture that says the viper and the polar bear are harmless.

onewithhim wrote:
It was after the Flood that God said humans could eat animals, and the animals became afraid of humans & even turned on each other.

Then by creating the Flood God changed good into bad, so what was the idea in doing that? You punish bad, surely, rather than good. And are we saying that in pre-Noah days lions went around eating grass. Hmmmm.

onewithhim wrote:
After Armageddon the fierce animals will be tame again and "eat straw like the bull." (Isaiah 11:6-9; Isaiah 65:25)

Volcanoes might not be such a danger if people would not make cities right next to them.

It is an absurdity that the ideal is vegetarianism, and later centuries will move towards us all eating grass, for I suppose we won't be allowed lamb and mint sauce. Grass on Tuesday, grass on Sunday - it sounds too good to be true.

And yes, of course man is silly living on a planet that has volcanoes. Bad choice. But then, pre-Flood, volcanoes were probably all benign. Does Scripture say that as well?

dio9 · Post by **dio9** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:18 am

[Replying to post 169 by Blastcat]

Modern scientific Man has/ have done and continue to do worse things than Adam and Eve could have imagined .

rikuoamero · Post by **rikuoamero** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:34 am

[Replying to post 177 by marco]

I suppose the fact volcanoes are a boon for farming isn't a good enough reason to live near them.

Blastcat · Post by **Blastcat** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:44 am

[Replying to post 174 by onewithhim]

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onewithhim wrote:
I remember when scientists discovered the Big Bang. Evolutionists were eating their hats, so to speak. They realized that there had to be a cause! Then they started admitting that fossils in the geological record showed that there were spurts in forms of animals, that certain animals showed up without gradual in-between forms. They had a hard time explaining that.

It's not at all "uncommon" for scientists to have a "hard time" explaining things. What they study is VERY complex.

But, unfortunately, you have your history and science wrong. I suggest you stray a bit from creationist sources. There are others, you know.. a lot of others.

Here is a quote from a VERY well known religious person who knew a LITTLE about the Big Bang and it's relationship to evidence of a god:

"As far as I see, such a theory [of the primeval atom] remains entirely outside any metaphysical or religious question. It leaves the materialist free to deny any transcendental Being. He may keep, for the bottom of space-time, the same attitude of mind he has been able to adopt for events occurring in non-singular places in space-time. For the believer, it removes any attempt to familiarity with God, as were Laplace's chiquenaude or Jeans' finger. It is consonant with the wording of Isaiah speaking of the 'Hidden God' hidden even in the beginning of the universe ... Science has not to surrender in face of the Universe and when Pascal tries to infer the existence of God from the supposed infinitude of Nature, we may think that he is looking in the wrong direction."

Monsignor Georges LemaÃ®tre
(17 Jul 1894 - 20 Jun 1966)

Belgian astronomer and cosmologist who originated (1927) the modern big-bang theory for the origin of the universe

Oh, and by the way, the theory of evolution has to do with biology, not cosmology.
If we say that "the universe evolves", as it does, it only means that the universe changes over time. This has NOTHING at all to do with how life changes over time. That's what the theory of evolution is about.. Not the COSMOS.

If you want to lecture us about science and history, I suggest that you do some fact checking first.