What is God responsible for?

[Willum]

Many things were done in God's name:
But what is he responsible for?

When the Catholic Nazi Germany attempts a genocide, a man is blamed.
When Hebrews commit genocide on the Canaan, it is his will.

We have plagues, on Catholic countries, for example. The Dark Ages were committed in Yahweh's name. Were they?

Why would Yahweh plunge the civilization of Rome, with health, farming and sanitation, back into the primitive squalor of ancient Jerusalem, if so?

If not, why did he not stop such a terror? It seems to be in His purview.

How does one determine if an act is done in God's will, or men's will?
Does the Bible tell us?

Understanding that free will is a constraint - we can also understand that mob's and large numbers of people lose free will, does this fall into God's purview, then?

In short, how does one know what God is responsible for;
Any group decision?
A decision influenced by prayer?

The position is that presented by Romans 13:

Obey the rulers who have authority over you. Only God can give authority to anyone, and he puts these rulers in their places of power. 2 People who oppose the authorities are opposing what God has done, and they will be punished. 3 Rulers are a threat to evil people, not to good people. There is no need to be afraid of the authorities. Just do right, and they will praise you for it. 4 After all, they are God’s servants, and it is their duty to help you.

The position of the OP is: those atrocities committed by governments, God's will, and he is responsible for them.

[onewithhim]

But you are fitting it into the restrictions of your own religion, if you will. Jesus would have said to a child, "The sky is blue." That would have been sufficient for any child at the moment.

We are wandering from the issue. Jesus had nothing to do with it; you made the comment about the sky being blue and you, not Jesus, challenged us to find anything in it that could be challenged. I did.

Perhaps you wish to say that God was responsible for the error in understanding. He's responsible for most other things, after all.

I don't believe I challenged anybody to find anything in that statement that could be challenged. I merely said, speaking from a child's point of view, I wonder how many ways "the sky is blue" could be interpreted. You pulled it apart according to an adult's possible wish to challenge it.

God is not responsible for most things in this evil system of things. That recognition can go to the Devil. (IJohn 5:19)

I am clicking on "ignore" you once again.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 67 by onewithhim]

I have no idea how any of that addresses the OP, or any tangent thereof.

Did you read it???

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Many, many, many times.
But non-sequitur is non-sequitur.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim]

Invisible Kingdoms have everything to do with what God does with the Earth. His influence is shortly going to be HUGE, because he is going to have his own government set up over the earth to guide the people here.

So, if I accept this at face value, you will show me, succinctly, how invisible kingdoms impact things here on Earth.
So, point it out. Show me. I see no invisible kingdoms in the near or distant future.
Otherwise, show me his impact on Earth now, or anytime after 43 AD. Show me what events he started or stopped. It looks pretty plain to me, he started the Dark Ages. Where Europe went from worshiping Zeus and party, to Yahwerh and Jesus, and the horror that was only arrested by slowly, progressively, ignoring Yahweh's will and adopting the Renaissance. But other than that all I see are opinions, hardly things to judge the actions of the almighty by, I think you'll agree.

Back then they WERE living in the last days of the Jewish system of things with the temple and sacrifices.

Hum.
That covers from 43-70 AD.
What were the last days from 71 AD to 100AD?
From 100 AD to 130 AD, and so on until the modern day?

They were all the last days, so they were absolutely not any last days.

Jehovah, the Most High God, created men to live on the earth. He was the only true God, the One that governed the entire universe, and He still governs it. At the time, when he created Adam, he was Adam's governor---he governed Adam (told Adam what to do and why)---and you can call him a King as well. From Him all instruction came, on how Adam could benefit himself by following His instructions. So Jehovah's Kingdom was in tact over the earth. He ruled from heaven. Adam couldn't see Him, but he heard Him. There is your example of an invisible kingdom ruling over the earth.

Adam decided that he didn't want to follow Jehovah's instructions, so he proceeded to throw sand in his gas-tank, if you will, and come out from under Jehovah's instructions. Adam wanted to be like God and decide for himself what was good or bad. Because Adam wanted this, and passed his errors on to his children, we have gotten FAR away from the truth about God and His Kingdom and His right to rule. We now have examples of people's distaste for Jehovah and His Kingdom, as evidenced by comments like yours.

All I can finally say to you is that we have been living in the final "last days" since 1914, when, according to Bible chronology, the appointed times of the nations came to an end. (Appointed BY Jehovah.) Now we look at Jesus' prophecy with eyes of understanding concerning the last days of the entire system of things. Coming shortly is the greatest tribulation that the world has ever seen.
(Matt.24: 3-42)


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To Willum......You said that you don't see how this post relates to the subject. The subject is "What is God responsible for?" The post above, which I provided, shows just how God is interacting with people on Earth and what he will do for the earth in the near future. Isn't that God being responsible for what happens on the earth, for the good?


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[Willum]

[Replying to onewithhim]

Current or modern events.
How can one know current events?

What acts is he responsible for in the post 73 CE world?

How can you know?

It is not a complicated question. I can see invisible kingdoms, or influence thereupon, and the Bible has no mystery.
So, what are the lines? Do people who believe they act in His name actually act in his name?
It seems to me He can influence groups without violating freewill, does this mean He runs countries?
What is God responsible for, and how does He let us know?

[dio9]

I'd say God is responsible for about 95% of what happens. The other 5% is ours. And to us that 5% seems like everything. So I am blaming Man for what goes wrong in human society , so called civilization.

[Willum]

[Replying to dio9]

Ah, great, another opinion.

What God does is/should be important right?
And this is theology doctrine and dogma section, so opinions are unnecessary, right?

So there should be some Biblical was consistent with the Bible to discover what God is doing here, right? Did he approve of Cortes? Seems like yes:
Numbers 31:17, is this our guide?
ToN also gave us a Psalms.

I was rather hoping for something more optimistic and informative than opinions to contradict what has been presented.

It looks like Yahweh approves of death and famine and genocide, and the Bible endorses it.

[ttruscott]

It looks like Yahweh approves of death and famine and genocide, and the Bible endorses it.

Yes, we are here to die, in large groups or alone, but as sinners we are here to die. Is the death of one somehow less meaningful than the death of a thousand? I feel Sartre spinning...

[Willum]

[Replying to ttruscott]

Absolutely.
I feel denial, like a slap in the face.

Please keep your comments to meaningful discourse, instead of drive-by implications.

Remember the forum you are expected to be able to use Theology and Doctrine, yet all you post is,
"Well I think, based on what I feel is..."

Oh, wait and red herring call on philosophy.
I appreciate you not insulting my intelligence, as well.

Rather poor showing if you ask me.

[dio9]

[Replying to post 76 by Willum]

God is not responsible for the bad things that happen to us. Experience (which is really more valid than a scripture reference ) is not the same as opinion experience has shown me that God's , lets not say responsibility,but what he does is be with us when bad things happen.

Like the sweet poem of footprints in the sand, God takes responsibility to carry us.

When Really bad stuff happened to Jesus , God took responsibility to raise him up again.

God's responsibility is to be there for us in the bad times. And he is.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 79 by dio9]

I believe the contrary is true.
God is responsible for all the bad that happens to us. We are responsible for all the good, fighting against God, just like Satan does, trying to create some good out of this mess God created and then blamed on Satan, and when that didn't happen, blamed on Eve and humanity by proxy.

I simply invoke Genesis as my proof.
This is exactly what it means.

God, made a grave error and couldn't bring himself to fix it,so blamed the creation, and has been fighting us ever since, creating animosity between Satan, man and himself.

Nothing is quite so excellent as a theory that fits all data, especially when it wipes any written claims, like "God is love," away like cob-webs, and makes everything else make sense..
Don't you agree? It is an excellent solution to the paradoxes poised by the work.

Is there any dissenting possibility?