If there is a god he must be perfect.

[DanieltheDragon]

From another thread

The next step is is that if there is a God He can be nothing less than than perfect goodness, perfect truth

Why assume this?

[JehovahsWitness]

I disagree. (There are types of infinities and smaller and larger infinities...I can barely wrap my 'round that one!)

A being might be "infinite" in one quality but have no sense of morality whatsoever. "Evil" is a subjective valuation, and therefore cannot be infinite, imho. ((If you need a scenario to understand this, let me know).

If i may, yes I would like a scenario to understand this.

Some surgeries require that the body not receive any pain killers and the patient must be fully conscious. A child or mentally disabled person will see the procedure as evil, since she does not understand it is being done for her good. The doctor knows it is not evil, but the patient doesn't. The pain causes the patient to go into shock which kills her and without the surgery she would have lived happily for some time. According to the patient, the operation was evil and had no redeeming value. According to the Doctor and her caregivers it was right to try the surgery to help, it just didn't work out.

Okay thanks yes, I understand what you mean, good illustration.

So are you saying evil doesn't acually exist? That everything that is labelled as such is just a value judgement? In this illustration it "looked" evil but wasn't. Is there anything that looks evil and is? And how does this relate to a perfect God?

[Plumbus Grumbo]

I disagree. (There are types of infinities and smaller and larger infinities...I can barely wrap my 'round that one!)

A being might be "infinite" in one quality but have no sense of morality whatsoever. "Evil" is a subjective valuation, and therefore cannot be infinite, imho. ((If you need a scenario to understand this, let me know).

If i may, yes I would like a scenario to understand this.

Some surgeries require that the body not receive any pain killers and the patient must be fully conscious. A child or mentally disabled person will see the procedure as evil, since she does not understand it is being done for her good. The doctor knows it is not evil, but the patient doesn't. The pain causes the patient to go into shock which kills her and without the surgery she would have lived happily for some time. According to the patient, the operation was evil and had no redeeming value. According to the Doctor and her caregivers it was right to try the surgery to help, it just didn't work out.

Okay thanks yes, I understand what you mean, good illustration.

So are you saying evil doesn't acually exist? That everything that is labelled as such is just a value judgement? In this illustration it "looked" evil but wasn't. Is there anything that looks evil and is? And how does this relate to a perfect God?

Correct.

Value depends upon context and perspective.

What if your community that was merely trying to raise their families and provide food and water to everyone was being poisoned in their environement and food and water? The actions of an evil tyrant, right?

I've got a wasp nest in my shed; hand me that spray over there.

Perfection is merely a concept. As is evil. I've had "perfect" days because I define what a perfect day is to me. Similarly, I've seen more than one "perfect" movie.

I've seen evil, too. People who want to see those who they hold closest to their heart hurting continually and losing all they have.

But these are human analogies.

The gods who do exist have few believers and don't value worship or "followers" or believers. They despise any valuation of "holiness" or "praise," because they know they aren't perfect or worthy of worship as "perfect." They're humble and require nothing of any human being.

[DanieltheDragon]

An infinite Being would have to be either perfectly good or perfectly evil. Since the Being is infinite every aspect of the Being would be expanded infinitely. A little bit of evil (cruelty, spite, etc.) would endlessly increase. A little bit of goodness (love, compassion, etc.) would be endlessly increased. Either goodness or evil would completely overtake the nature of the Being.

However, an infinite Being could not be entirely evil. Evil requires some level of goodness. Cruelty requires at least some courage. Spite requires a form of admiration. Works of creation require creativity. If Plato was right then existence itself is a kind of goodness (that which is is better than that which is not). Evil is a twisting of what is good, not a thing in itself. So a Being cannot be infinitely evil.

For an infinite Being to exist, it must exist in perfect goodness.

You contradict your own thesis. " An infinite Being would have to be either perfectly good or perfectly evil." vs. "However, an infinite Being could not be entirely evil. "

Furthermore you make a series of unsupported assumptions

1.an infinite being having morality
2. Duality being non existent
3. Various requirements for negative traits
4. Evil is a twisting of what is good

This post is just comtradicting baseless assumptions.