Kill them

[Youkilledkenny]

Kill a specific person - God has commanded killing before

Not treat your sick child - people do it all the time

Ignore a person in need or Give money to a stranger said to be in need - both obvious encounters many of us have on occasion

Prepare for a cataclysm (natural or man made) - God has commanded this prior

Do X that violates your local law obviously

The list could continue.

As a true Christian, would you do anything God tells you to do?

Why or why not?

[Divine Insight]

I was rebellious against God even as a Christian. But Jesus was on MY SIDE!

God commands that we are to stone sinners to death. I refused. I would tell God right to his face that if he wants sinners to be killed he can do it himself. Why ask me to do his dirty work for him?

However, as a Christian I had Jesus on MY SIDE!

So I was far from being a lone heretic.

[sawthelight]

Kill a specific person - God has commanded killing before

Not treat your sick child - people do it all the time

Ignore a person in need or Give money to a stranger said to be in need - both obvious encounters many of us have on occasion

Prepare for a cataclysm (natural or man made) - God has commanded this prior

Do X that violates your local law obviously

The list could continue.

As a true Christian, would you do anything God tells you to do?

Why or why not?

You would have to do all the passive things in Christianity to abide by the law and not end up in jail. They in essence are free but not free.

The more active Christians end up in prison or a mental asylum while their fellow passive Christian brothers/sisters label them as insane. They in essence are not free but are truly free.

[JehovahsWitness]

As a true Christian, would you do anything God tells you to do?

Why or why not?

Yes, I would do anything God tells me to. Or I hope I would, I cannot claim my faith is perfectly strong...

I would do so because as my Creator he has the right to ask and since I love him and am dedicated to doing His will I have made a decision to obey him no matter what the cost.

JW

[Youkilledkenny]

[Replying to post 4 by JehovahsWitness]

Thanks for the honest response.
Has God ever asked you to do something against the law, common sense or something one would think a non-believer person would do?
If so how did it work out?
If not, why do you think that is?

[sawthelight]

[Replying to post 5 by Youkilledkenny]

I know a guy who attacked a person using a weapon and was sentenced for 2 years for his first criminal offence.

The friend of mine claimed to have done the act because God had spoken to him. One day God told my friend he was to attack a devil worshiper.

We all know in the Bible (Deuteronomy 17) it commands believers to harm polytheists (a.k.a devil worshipers according to ancient-Christianity/Judaism).

We also know that Caleb and Joshua (Numbers) were faithful enough in God to achieve God's divine plan using violence to take over the promised land.

So put those 2 verses together and you got a devout Christian ready to do the Lord's bidding. Ready to go to the promised land, and ready to carry out an old command of the Lord using violence.

Of course why investigate matters (mentioned in Deuteronomy) when my friend thinks that God is actually speaking to him directly? With God speaking to my friend and telling him to attack the devil worshiper, you see him in prison not too long after the incident.

Luckily the person who was attacked survived with minor injuries but it could have been worse.

So where is this friend on mine now?

Well, he's got a criminal record, labeled mentally insane, very low chance of employment in any field he wants, confusion as to where is God now, and shame and guilt for being deceived by the Bible to do a terrible act.

Sure my friend has served 2 years now and was not free at one point, but now he's free in that he knows Christianity is a fraud. Where is God now in my friend's life? The promise land? The voices of God? Not there any more.

Not pure speculation of God but active in his approach. Thus passive Christians will always be chained. In disillusionment and fear of law.

It's better to be secular and abide by the secular law than be a Christian who abides by the secular law. I would never call a secular person who abides by the secular law a passive person. Only Christians who abide by the secular law are passive people.

What does that tell you about Christianity?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 4 by JehovahsWitness]

Thanks for the honest response.
Has God ever asked you to do something against the law, common sense [...]?

No, indeed the bible (through which I believe God communicates with me), tells Christians to obey the law. That said as Jehovah's Witnesses our submission is relative, meaning if the law demands I do (or refrain from doing) something God has demanded, then I would break the law. This has and is the case for many thousands of my Christian brothers and sisters where for example military service (which would violate the Christian command to "love your enemies" ) is compulsory. Or when a law is past prohibiting us preaching the good news.

If so how did it work out? Fine thanks.


If not, why do you think that is?

Why has God never asked me to do Something that is against the law? I think because He understands that most laws are put in place by governments and rulers that he himself has allowed to exist in order to maintain a certain order. He wants his followers, I believe, submit to them (to the measure possible - see above) so they can peacefully accomplish their mission.

Why has God never asked me to do Something that is against common sense?


Because, I believe, "common sense" is just another way to refer to humans inborn sense of logic, and He is the one that programmed that into us. This is like asking why does God not ask a fish to play golf.... he made everything for a purpose, he won't usually ask his creation, to do what is unnatural to their design. And when he does, he makes their "common sense" just less "common" but just a much "sense"


Has God ever asked you to do something ... one would think a non-believer person would do?

I don't understand this part of the question. Sorry.

[Youkilledkenny]

[Replying to post 7 by JehovahsWitness]

While I can't say I agree with your reasoning in some of your statements and some seem contradictory I do appreciate your response.

[sawthelight]

This has and is the case for many thousands of my Christian brothers and sisters where for example military service (which would violate the Christian command to "love your enemies" ) is compulsory.

Yes my point. The more active Christians exist within the military and I will not discredit them entirely, but are they serving a secular state or a theistic state?

You don't see America or Canada writing the laws coming from the Bible anymore. Are there any Christians who try to supersede the secular with Biblical law? None of that exists anymore.

Perhaps a small portion of laws exist that come from the Bible (do not kill and do not steal) but the state and church are still separated. No longer is there a theistic state. The law is mostly secular now. Now adultery is permissible and cannot convict anyone of a crime. Of course abortion is okay. Killing once your inside the military is okay during war (which contradicts from "do not kill", but I digress).

Yet you don't see Christians trying to honor God's law as number 1. It's obviously #2 to them as the secular law is what many Christians will abide by.

That speaks volumes about Christianity and the impotence it has. Secular law is more powerful than Christian law and I don't see Christians en mass trying to reverse that.

Jesus even says that you cannot serve 2 masters.

[Youkilledkenny]

[Replying to post 9 by sawthelight]

Secular law is more powerful than Christian law and I don't see Christians en mass trying to reverse that.

That's an important point to make. While there are some that try, no doubt in my mind about that living in the southern USA, it's not as much as one would expect assuming Christian law is right and just.
On that note, should they be upholding modern or more original (ancient?) Christian law?
As we all know, Christianity isn't known for originally being peaceful and docile.